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+1 snyper, I agree. But kindly control you're temper in this thread because in previous topics I've seen you write some pretty angry messages about this topic

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lol

 

Is that lol agreeing with skitee or panzer? :mrgreen:

 

As for me, I agree with skitee.

 

great post from the skittle. the lol was due to waiting for the reply (still waiting) from panzerboy.

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lol reminds me of the time when I was on my main account with M3 Wasp and M3 Railgun and then this M0 Wasp+M2 Smoky newbie joined the game on my opposition; I used my Railgun and kept pwning him. After ten deaths, I think he got p***ed and started to drug all drugs and pressed 2,3 and 4 and so I pwned him again (M3 Railgun pwns 60 hp tanks), then he wasted a mere 25 of each drugs. He then came on my team. LOL!

 

Such a waste of drugs.. =/

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A drugger buys a load. Then starts robing games. And uses those crystals to buy more! Druggers don't need to pay that much it seems.

i fully assure you almost never win more crystals from a drug war than you spend on it

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A drugger buys a load. Then starts robing games. And uses those crystals to buy more! Druggers don't need to pay that much it seems.

i fully assure you almost never win more crystals from a drug war than you spend on it

Sorry but I don't understand.

 

 

 

Hey who has thought of membership?

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Sorry but I don't understand.

i've played hundreds of full-on drug battles and if you really drug A LOT, an average 500 crystals prize will cost you about 100 drug kits (that is, pressing 2-3-4 and later 1) which is (5+5+5+15)*100 = 3000 crystals :) made myself clear?

Hey who has thought of membership?

Sorry but I don't understand. :?

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No supplies battles cost 50 crystals ripoff

pay 500 once and you're safe for a whole month :? oh, and it was 2000 back in the days when earning crystals was MUCH more difficult than now... so i second iNubCake on this

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Sorry butI don't understand
To those who pay for membership can get great things that non-members can't! Like members can get these: 1.%10 crystal bonus in battles

2. Better paints with slighty better portection.

3. Cheaper equipment.

4. %10 XP bonus.

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lol

 

Is that lol agreeing with skitee or panzer? :mrgreen:

 

As for me, I agree with skitee.

 

That may be, but you have not heard my rebuttal yet :mrgreen:

 

lol

Thanks so much for replying to our long, thoughtful arguments by including them and simply having LOL to say about them. It has pretty much placed you squarely in the peanut gallery. Eventually you will replace LOL with +1 or perhaps a link to a nasty picture and be well on your way to learning how to debate a topic. :P

 

Thank you panzer for a balanced and sensible reply to my question.

 

I think, however, that you miss the point of my statement. My statement is not to say that you should drug back,

 

Umm, yes it was. Your exact words were:

There needs to be rules this time concerning drugging' date=' really? For goodness sake, drug back! Nothing is stopping you, except your own imbalanced morals.

 

 

That is fact that you can't control players in your team' date=' and however much you drug you just cannot sometimes win the battle that way. I found this out not so long ago, I was one of the strongest players in the match and I was full drugging, yet my team lost 5-1. Why? My team-mates, to put it simply, were newbs. They weren't playing badly, but against the higher weapons on the enemy team, they had no chance, and without a team, neither did I.[/quote']

 

I agree with the premise of this argument. I have to point out, however, that when I join a game and see the ranks on my team, see the weapons they are using, see the skill level they have, and see what type of Tank body they have, I can decide to stay or leave on that information. What I can not currently know, is how many drugs they have, or if they intend on using them. I also can not prevent someone from entering a game and ruining it for everyone, including my teammates. Do you see the difference?

 

My point from my statements on this topic and on the other one can be summed up as this: I want to show not that drugging is right, but that people who complain about drugging are hypocrites. Basically, the same people who complain about druggers and people who spend $$$ of cash on drugs will be the same people who are proud about the fact that they buy crystals (Snyper22 is an example of this). The same people who say drugging is unfair will join a game with their m3 - m3 combo and ruin it for newbies. The same people who write topics about drugging and how bad it is, will, at the same time, post on another topic saying to newbies who complain about the unfairness of higher ranks' dominance, saying how "it is just the game" and "people who play for a long time and who spend cash should be rewarded".

 

Strikes me of a bit of hypocrisy, does it not?

On this point I completely agree with you. I see very little moral high ground in someone who buys their way to m3's and then complains about people buying tons of drugs. There is however a structural difference between improvements and drugs. Regardless of if you buy or earn an improvement, it is displayed for everyone to see, while stashes of drugs and how the person uses them are kept secret. This gives druggers an unfair edge. Imagine if I could pretend to be a low rank, or pretend to be using a m0 wasp and m1 smokey and then press 2, 3 and have them become m3 mammoth and m3 thunder. Imagine that happening AFTER dedicating hours playing in a game, and being unable to stop it.

 

When I play and see my team mates are all newbs or just have no skill, I leave. I dont waste time. If I see a good team, but some teammates are newbs, but just new to the game and trying to learn skill and play well, I help them out. I will protect them while they get flags, leave kills for them, and shield them etc. Kills are worth more to them than myself. All of that is predicated on knowing that they are what they say they are. You NEVER KNOW how many drugs a player may have, nor do you know their gameplay style.

 

This is what I mean by "imbalanced morals".

You can not regulate or legislate morals, only try and create a balanced playing field for everyone and let nature take its course. The issue is not whether or not drugging is immoral, rather it's "Is it immoral to use them simply to fundamentally change the style of gameplay mid-game without any way of stopping it. " After playing a CTF game for hours, its a kick in the as$ to have someone change into a mad drugger. Can I change into my other tank body? (we know there are tricks, but its not supported by the devs, nor meant to be part of the game) Drugs are meant to drive income, and I dont really disagree with that part. I do STRONGLY disagree with the fact that games that allow non-drugging only COST while drugging allowed costs NOTHING to join. It is why you see almost 0 "no-supplies" battles. If it was the same cost to join a game that allows drugging as a game that does NOT allow drugging, it would be balanced. That could not be simpler to understand.

 

 

In my opinion, people who complain about drugs are equal to people who complain about buyers, people who play a lot and get big funds that way, people who are epicly skilled, and the like. I see no difference.

 

Explain to me what is the difference between: "buying/playing well and earning an m3 garage", and "drugging", and then I may see it differently. Whilst your answer is sensible and balanced, and that is fact, at the same time you still did not really answer my question: you instead answered what you thought to be hidden ideas behind my question, about drugging back and all that sort of thing.

I will try again to explain the difference.

 

I do not respect druggers.

So what.

I do not respect buyers.

Also so what.

 

They are two different topics. No one can be in the middle of a battle and decide that they are being beaten by a better player and can press 1234 and presto chango become more powerful in response to being pwnd ;) See how that is different? See how its different to be on a skilled team with the right combo of weapons etc, be winning, and then have druggers on the other side discover that your side (which you had no idea ) has NO DRUGS? or just leaves rather than drug back?

 

The only solution is to have a no-druggers allowed type battle, and there is that with a no-supplies pass. The only issue is that it COST and NO ONE MAKES GAMES of that type even if you BUY the dam* pass.

 

 

Answer my question on face value: Other than the fact that you consider earning lots of crystals (by whatever means) and then using your m3 garage which you got as a result of that (whether or not you have an m3 garage or not is irrelevant the fact is that you would use it if you got it) fine' date=' even against lower ranks/non-buyers who cannot get such a garage, and you consider drugging not to be fine, what is the difference?[/i']

 

I did answer exactly this a few lines above :thumbup:

 

 

BTW - I think this is how arguments should be discussed and I am quite enjoying it :)

 

 

You please answer me this:

 

Do you think I pay for drugs right now?

Do you think I buy a pass for no drugs right now?

Would making no-supplies battles free cost Tanki Online any income from me and if so, how?

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LOL , the cheap seats are filling in fast up in the peanut gallery.

 

A drugger buys a load. Then starts robing games. And uses those crystals to buy more! Druggers don't need to pay that much it seems.

i fully assure you almost never win more crystals from a drug war than you spend on it

 

This is exactly why its so annoying to get swept up in one if you are trying to earn more crystals then spending them. I couldn't agree more with your math ;)

 

honestly guys' date=' what's there SO wrong with no-supplies battles?[/quote']

 

Except for the fact that it costs to play one, and no one buys the pass, and there are like NO games to play even if you have the pass... nothing :roll:

 

A drugger buys a load. Then starts robing games. And uses those crystals to buy more! Druggers don't need to pay that much it seems.

i fully assure you almost never win more crystals from a drug war than you spend on it

 

Which is again, why it sucks to spend hours in a game thinking you will gain some crystals, then be swept up in a lame 1234 fest just hoping others on your team can 1234 back enough to save the game.

 

No supplies battles cost 50 crystals ripoff

pay 500 once and you're safe for a whole month :? oh, and it was 2000 back in the days when earning crystals was MUCH more difficult than now... so i second iNubCake on this

 

It didn't work at 2000 and it doesn't work at 500. The proof is that there are like NO games to play! A good business is flexible and adapts to its customers in order to make it profitable and have return business. Players that stop playing altogether will NEVER buy ANYTHING. We will never know how much Tanki is losing because of customers driven away by unfair rules that have unbalanced the game.

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Except for the fact that it costs to play one' date=' and no one buys the pass, and there are like NO games to play even if you have the pass... nothing :roll: [/quote']

you see, no-supplies battles are quite usual among Russian players, and it all comes from the clans community – speaking of English players, i have no stats so i'll take your info for granted and just hope that developing the clan community further will help the case

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Except for the fact that it costs to play one' date=' and no one buys the pass, and there are like NO games to play even if you have the pass... nothing :roll: [/quote']

you see, no-supplies battles are quite usual among Russian players, and it all comes from the clans community – speaking of English players, i have no stats so i'll take your info for granted and just hope that developing the clan community further will help the case

 

Yes, that very well could be. I think if clans were to play no-supplies battles, and play that way often enough, it would be well worth 500 crystals to buy a pass. If I could count on playing a no-battles game whenever I wanted to, I would certainly buy the pass. I hope that is the case one day, but as much as I play, I never see more than perhaps 1 or 2 games ever.

 

It would still be unfair to have to buy the pass rather than play free, but to avoid druggers would be worth it. Unfair is one thing, pointless is another and right now its pointless to buy a pass for games that just don't exist. It is interesting to know about the russian side of things :)

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Guys' date=' they will give drugging penalties in 2.0, by making you get 2x points for killing a drugger, and when a drugger kills, he only gets 1/2 points (I think so, that's what some people told me)

yes, they're discussing these plans as an option for 2.0 (although the decision is yet to be taken), but as a prominent drugger, i personally don't care in the slightest about points in battles, because it's only flags (in CTF) or kills (DM/TDM) that is important

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yes, its just drugging helps to get flags by using nitros and armor, and kills, by using 2x powers.

Or you can simply get pickups that last "half" duration.

well, i guess generals and marshals can bear losing half points in order to win :D

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panzerboy, for a guy of your age, there must be better things for you to do with your life; like spending time with your family, working, sports, travel etc than spending most of the day everyday playing tanki or writing super long mails in this forum? i mean you actually admit to enjoying the 'debate' in this thread :lol: if your life is that sad that you get enjoyment from writing drivel on internet forums you want to have a rethink.

 

or is it that perhaps you live in the basement of your mums house and spend all day living as a keyboard warrior on various websites, with the tedium only broken by the 3 times daily visit of good old mom bringing down a bowl of home made soup to the darkened little grief pit you confine your self to?

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whoa whoa hold your horses man, it's a forum, right? so we come here to read others' thoughts and express ours, right? that said, there's no need to get down to personal issues :? you can probably guess that i can say a lot about yourself too, but we're all adult people here and respect others' features which we find positive and ignore those we don't, ok?

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whoa whoa hold your horses man, it's a forum, right? so we come here to read others' thoughts and express ours, right? that said, there's no need to get down to personal issues :? you can probably guess that i can say a lot about yourself too, but we're all adult people here and respect others' features which we find positive and ignore those we don't, ok?

 

+1 :thumbup:

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panzerboy, for a guy of your age, there must be better things for you to do with your life; like spending time with your family, working, sports, travel etc than spending most of the day everyday playing tanki or writing super long mails in this forum? i mean you actually admit to enjoying the 'debate' in this thread :lol: if your life is that sad that you get enjoyment from writing drivel on internet forums you want to have a rethink.

 

or is it that perhaps you live in the basement of your mums house and spend all day living as a keyboard warrior on various websites, with the tedium only broken by the 3 times daily visit of good old mom bringing down a bowl of home made soup to the darkened little grief pit you confine your self to?

 

where did this come from?

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