There needs to be rules or guidelines governing Drugging....

[kingeoin14 30]

panzerboy, for a guy of your age, there must be better things for you to do with your life; like spending time with your family, working, sports, travel etc than spending most of the day everyday playing tanki or writing super long mails in this forum? i mean you actually admit to enjoying the 'debate' in this thread :lol: if your life is that sad that you get enjoyment from writing drivel on internet forums you want to have a rethink.

 

or is it that perhaps you live in the basement of your mums house and spend all day living as a keyboard warrior on various websites, with the tedium only broken by the 3 times daily visit of good old mom bringing down a bowl of home made soup to the darkened little grief pit you confine your self to?

 

 

Wow! Getting a bit harsh, aren't we?

[tripinot 8]

whoa whoa hold your horses man, it's a forum, right? so we come here to read others' thoughts and express ours, right? that said, there's no need to get down to personal issues :? you can probably guess that i can say a lot about yourself too, but we're all adult people here and respect others' features which we find positive and ignore those we don't, ok?

 

+1 :thumbup:

 

+1

[skitee 555]

Panzer, I like the way you debate. It's a far more pleasant experience than debating with some others.

 

Thank you panzer for a balanced and sensible reply to my question.

 

I think, however, that you miss the point of my statement. My statement is not to say that you should drug back,

 

Umm, yes it was. Your exact words were:

There needs to be rules this time concerning drugging' date=' really? For goodness sake, drug back! Nothing is stopping you, except your own imbalanced morals.

 

Ok, so maybe I did mention that once. But for you to reply with your whole reply based on that one statement, like you did: that wasn't really putting something in the right perspective. It wasn't my point to make you drug back, so yeah...

 

 

I agree with the premise of this argument. I have to point out' date=' however, that when I join a game and see the ranks on my team, see the weapons they are using, see the skill level they have, and see what type of Tank body they have, I can decide to stay or leave on that information. What I can not currently know, is how many drugs they have, or if they intend on using them. I also can not prevent someone from entering a game and ruining it for everyone, including my teammates. Do you see the difference?[/quote']

 

So you think that looks are all? What happens, then, if some buyers join your game where you have a pile of points stacked up and ruin it? What then? I like how you say the difference is how you don't know about whether someone has a lot of drugs, but personally

 

This is what I mean by "imbalanced morals".

You can not regulate or legislate morals, only try and create a balanced playing field for everyone and let nature take its course. The issue is not whether or not drugging is immoral, rather it's "Is it immoral to use them simply to fundamentally change the style of gameplay mid-game without any way of stopping it. " After playing a CTF game for hours, its a kick in the as$ to have someone change into a mad drugger. Can I change into my other tank body? (we know there are tricks, but its not supported by the devs, nor meant to be part of the game) Drugs are meant to drive income, and I dont really disagree with that part. I do STRONGLY disagree with the fact that games that allow non-drugging only COST while drugging allowed costs NOTHING to join. It is why you see almost 0 "no-supplies" battles. If it was the same cost to join a game that allows drugging as a game that does NOT allow drugging, it would be balanced. That could not be simpler to understand.

 

First of all, I'm just telling you that the "tricks" ARE meant to be part of the game, and the devs have no problem with them... I have seen no moderator or admin ever disapprove of those "tricks", but anyway, back on topic... ;)

 

Secondly, what again is the difference between drugging and playing normally? Are you saying that buyers and non-buyers should have their own separate servers, or what? I know you replied to me about the drugging issue, but seriously, drugging is a feature that is in the game, and it should be used. I see no reason why it shouldn't be, and as yet you have said no good reason why it should be not used or needing to pay to play with drugs.

 

I mean seriously, would you even consider not using your crystals because of the lower ranks who would complain about you ruining their games because of your powerful weapons/tanks. I notice you have m3 hornet from one of your threads. Did it ever cross your mind not to buy it because of the lower ranks who would get owned by an m3 hornet? I doubt it, and you didn't consider that for good reason too. Just the same, like, why would you even consider not drugging so that people wouldn't get annoyed or feel aggreived at you?

 

I mean, I feel annoyed when m3 mammoths join my game and steal my fund. That doesn't mean I would, or should, go about and complain about it on the forum. It'd look stupid. Just the same, why should you complain about druggers. Just because someone has more than you and can use more than you doesn't mean you should go and complain and say "Don't drug! Some of us have less drugs you know!"

 

I will try again to explain the difference.

 

I do not respect druggers.

So what.

I do not respect buyers.

Also so what.

 

They are two different topics. No one can be in the middle of a battle and decide that they are being beaten by a better player and can press 1234 and presto chango become more powerful in response to being pwnd ;) See how that is different? See how its different to be on a skilled team with the right combo of weapons etc, be winning, and then have druggers on the other side discover that your side (which you had no idea ) has NO DRUGS? or just leaves rather than drug back?

 

The only solution is to have a no-druggers allowed type battle, and there is that with a no-supplies pass. The only issue is that it COST and NO ONE MAKES GAMES of that type even if you BUY the dam* pass.

 

Really? How different is it really? Are you saying that because you can't win the way you want to win, then "abracadabra this means I need to complain!" In a team game, it is natural that you are hampered by weak team-mates. It should be obvious, and that is what having a clan is all about: you can get team-mates you trust and can rely upon.

 

For example, if you are in a 999 flag game (I've never done one in the aim of completing it, but I'm sure others have), and all your powerful team-mates leave, are replaced by noobs, whilst the other team becomes a team of m3 mammoths, then what? You will lose any lead that you had, and in the end, if that keeps on going, you will lose. That doesn't mean I should go and complain about it: it's the natural outcome of any team games. Your team-mates will limit or strengthen you: a natural and sensible fact.

 

BTW - I think this is how arguments should be discussed and I am quite enjoying it :)

 

Agreed ;)

 

 

You please answer me this:

 

Do you think I pay for drugs right now?

Do you think I buy a pass for no drugs right now?

Would making no-supplies battles free cost Tanki Online any income from me and if so, how?

 

1. No.

2. Maybe... thinking about it, probably yes.

3. Not from you, but yes from others. Over time, an increase in no-supplies battles would result in people like MonkeyMagic no longer being able to ply their trade so well, and if you consider that even one of them leaving would result in a tanki income drop of a good few hundred quid a year, then to be honest, making no-supplies battles free would make tanki lose income, albeit not from you nor me.

 

So, as we seem to be asking each other questions, then:

1. When m3 mammoths (or whatever tanks/weps you deem annoying) join your game and steal your fund, do you feel annoyed? Do you feel like it's worth complaining about, though?

2. Do you agree that when you join a team game, your team naturally hampers or strengthens you? Do you see a problem in that fact?

3. Do you think I buy drugs?

 

Oh, and by the way: a couple of days back, me and a group of other friends had a perfectly all right no-supplies game. It was fun, and nobody accused each other of drugging (which often ruins games, and seems completely illogical as there is nothing wrong with drugging anyway). Maybe if you got together a group of people (preferably in a clan) you could enjoy a no-supplies game or two with each other. Just a tip.

 

And thanks to all who support my case!

[chriswu 25]

Skit you type a ton. :shock:

 

Personally I don't think there should be rules governing drugging. If I see a huge drugger, I either drug back, or in the back of my mind acknowledge the fact that a drugger is a person who fears his own incompetency.

[AwesomeBlake33712 13]

People arent gonna do anything now they might change it in 2.0

[GO_IRELAND 0]

i have just read this thread, and there is a point no one seems to make.

 

some maps seem more likely to have druggers then others, i almost only play tributes (90%)

there are full druggers in 1-100 games, and single drugging, unless going for the flag when its triple, in half the games. also most of them never get above 800 fund which isnt a huge amount to drug for (seeing as you get 1/4 of that)

i play 6+ hours a week (yer not that much) and seem to be gaining drugs, also a skilled play in the right map doesnt need to full drug, by only using dp i can keep my ratio pretty similar if the other team are using 2/3 drugs.

 

very few of my games are ruined by drugging, and in tribute 1 guy full drugging doesnt change much (unless m3 freeze m3 viking and health ups)

 

recently i played a few silences, about 50% of them fell into a pointless drugging match (cause in silence one guy full drugging can change the game)

if you dont want druggers to ruin the game dont play island of silence or the other maps that lead themselves to drugging

[Lyzzard 1]

GO_IRELAND, well put :thumbup: silence, highland and fort knox are dumb and invoke no skill or tactics or whatever – tribute, kungur, bridges, red alert and some other maps are far more demanding

[russia102010 14]

But Silience is my fav!

[violins 0]

A good idea would be to limit the amount of drugs a person can use at one time, so instead of using them all at the same time you can only use one.

(this can also be with Repair, so you can only repair yourself if you aren't drugging)

 

I hate druggers in Old Silence, the exposed ledge makes it unfair since druggers can just aim down and kill you every time you spawn :evil:

 

Also Snyper, in the other thread, didn't you say you had M3 Thunder and Viking?

[iNubCake 0]

I PAID to upgrade my Thunder and Viking both to M2 and the results are the same - Me Dead, and My Team Loses and no fund for us!!

 

 

You say you paid for your upgrades, yet you cannot spare 50 crystals for a no-supply battle?

[Snyper22 15]

panzerboy, for a guy of your age, there must be better things for you to do with your life; like spending time with your family, working, sports, travel etc than spending most of the day everyday playing tanki or writing super long mails in this forum? i mean you actually admit to enjoying the 'debate' in this thread :lol: if your life is that sad that you get enjoyment from writing drivel on internet forums you want to have a rethink.

 

or is it that perhaps you live in the basement of your mums house and spend all day living as a keyboard warrior on various websites, with the tedium only broken by the 3 times daily visit of good old mom bringing down a bowl of home made soup to the darkened little grief pit you confine your self to?

 

 

What kind of a person, no wait, a MOD on an internet forum speaks this way to paying customers???!! The DEVS should kick you... and you should be ashamed.... :?

[Snyper22 15]

I PAID to upgrade my Thunder and Viking both to M2 and the results are the same - Me Dead, and My Team Loses and no fund for us!!

 

 

You say you paid for your upgrades, yet you cannot spare 50 crystals for a no-supply battle?

 

Find a no supply battle buddy.... good luck!!

[Lyzzard 1]

What kind of a person' date=' no wait, a MOD on an internet forum speaks this way to paying customers???!! The DEVS should kick you... and you should be ashamed.... :? [/quote']

no, that's a map maker's avatar

[Snyper22 15]

A good idea would be to limit the amount of drugs a person can use at one time, so instead of using them all at the same time you can only use one.

(this can also be with Repair, so you can only repair yourself if you aren't drugging)

 

I hate druggers in Old Silence, the exposed ledge makes it unfair since druggers can just aim down and kill you every time you spawn :evil:

 

Also Snyper, in the other thread, didn't you say you had M3 Thunder and Viking?

 

NO m2...

[Snyper22 15]

i have just read this thread, and there is a point no one seems to make.

 

some maps seem more likely to have druggers then others, i almost only play tributes (90%)

there are full druggers in 1-100 games, and single drugging, unless going for the flag when its triple, in half the games. also most of them never get above 800 fund which isnt a huge amount to drug for (seeing as you get 1/4 of that)

i play 6+ hours a week (yer not that much) and seem to be gaining drugs, also a skilled play in the right map doesnt need to full drug, by only using dp i can keep my ratio pretty similar if the other team are using 2/3 drugs.

 

very few of my games are ruined by drugging, and in tribute 1 guy full drugging doesnt change much (unless m3 freeze m3 viking and health ups)

 

recently i played a few silences, about 50% of them fell into a pointless drugging match (cause in silence one guy full drugging can change the game)

if you dont want druggers to ruin the game dont play island of silence or the other maps that lead themselves to drugging

 

It's every map, I DO play alot pretty much every day, and I see it constantly.... what is really pointless here is the fact that drugging dummys will spend wayyy more on drugs than the fund will allow themselves to get back!!! ROFL bad ecomomics.... :shock:

[Snyper22 15]

whoa whoa hold your horses man, it's a forum, right? so we come here to read others' thoughts and express ours, right? that said, there's no need to get down to personal issues :? you can probably guess that i can say a lot about yourself too, but we're all adult people here and respect others' features which we find positive and ignore those we don't, ok?

 

+ 50,000

[Lyzzard 1]

what is really pointless here is the fact that drugging dummys will spend wayyy more on drugs than the fund will allow themselves to get back!!! ROFL bad ecomomics.... :shock:

they don't care about the fund, they come to win the battle and nothing more

[r_R3APER0 16]

whoa whoa hold your horses man, it's a forum, right? so we come here to read others' thoughts and express ours, right? that said, there's no need to get down to personal issues :? you can probably guess that i can say a lot about yourself too, but we're all adult people here and respect others' features which we find positive and ignore those we don't, ok?

 

+ 50,000

 

Completely irrelevant to the topic. Also learn how to not post multiple posts in a row, it makes you look stupid. Last thing, I think relevant discussion on this topic has ended up as personal fights over who can and can't do what, so I think it's time to lock it once more, like the last topic that was made.

[panzer-runner 2]

whoa whoa hold your horses man, it's a forum, right? so we come here to read others' thoughts and express ours, right? that said, there's no need to get down to personal issues :? you can probably guess that i can say a lot about yourself too, but we're all adult people here and respect others' features which we find positive and ignore those we don't, ok?

 

+ 50,000

 

Completely irrelevant to the topic. Also learn how to not post multiple posts in a row, it makes you look stupid. Last thing, I think relevant discussion on this topic has ended up as personal fights over who can and can't do what, so I think it's time to lock it once more, like the last topic that was made.

 

Irrelevant opinion by R3EAPER noted and just as quickly dismissed :roll: Your opinion that because small minded trolls and feces throwing little monkey map makers in the cheap seats keep trying their best to derail the discussion does not mean the thread is done. In my opinion, THAT is, as you like to call things "stupid" :P

 

 

As for that little MonkeyMan or MagicMan or MagicMonkeyMan or whatever his name is, I find it most amusing to be able to wind up people like him. There is no point in responding to his pathetic little comments, since all they really do is show everyone here what type of mind he has. For me, I read his attempted insults and thought to myself "Mission Accomplished" :wink: Hahaha :lol:

 

Skitee, I have to get back to this in a bit, when I get a chance... My mom is bringing me soup you see, and I dont have time to post right now :XD:

[panzer-runner 2]

i have just read this thread, and there is a point no one seems to make.

 

some maps seem more likely to have druggers then others, i almost only play tributes (90%)

there are full druggers in 1-100 games, and single drugging, unless going for the flag when its triple, in half the games. also most of them never get above 800 fund which isnt a huge amount to drug for (seeing as you get 1/4 of that)

i play 6+ hours a week (yer not that much) and seem to be gaining drugs, also a skilled play in the right map doesnt need to full drug, by only using dp i can keep my ratio pretty similar if the other team are using 2/3 drugs.

 

very few of my games are ruined by drugging, and in tribute 1 guy full drugging doesnt change much (unless m3 freeze m3 viking and health ups)

 

recently i played a few silences, about 50% of them fell into a pointless drugging match (cause in silence one guy full drugging can change the game)

if you dont want druggers to ruin the game dont play island of silence or the other maps that lead themselves to drugging

 

Great point GO_IRELAND and even better, a fresh angle to the discussion, IMHO. Although I agree, I play Tribute quite a bit, and have seen both what you say, as well as druggers who overwhelmed the other side. I have been in battles on both sides. In some, I get lucky and some druggers on our side held off the attack, other times it went bad. Either way, you are right that the map really affects the ability of drugging to make a difference. In Tribute, even with druggers, its not always over right away. It takes time and many times the druggers give up. Plus, even if you lose out because of the drug war (which annoys the he*l out of me) you can gain many ground crystals by giving up and just going into collection mode. :wink:

[r_R3APER0 16]

 

Irrelevant opinion by R3EAPER noted and just as quickly dismissed :roll: Your opinion that because small minded trolls and feces throwing little monkey map makers in the cheap seats keep trying their best to derail the discussion does not mean the thread is done. In my opinion, THAT is, as you like to call things "stupid" :P

 

 

Tell me again how "+50,000" and insulting others is relevant to the topic about drugging, then criticize my opinions. Also, learning to write in one post keeps things short and sweet, instead of having to read 5 posts by the SAME PERSON. It was relevant because keeping the discussion on topic keeps the post open, instead of having a mod close it down like it should if it runs out of hand.

[skitee 555]

Skitee, I have to get back to this in a bit, when I get a chance... My mom is bringing me soup you see, and I dont have time to post right now :XD:

 

 

I understand, no worries ;) Reply in due course.

[The_Ice_Dragon 22]

Drugging is part of the game. Snyper, you act like a spoiled player, You can't win every match. You can try but there will always be times where your team will lose because of druggers. I myself face druggers everyday when I play. There will always be times where your team has a drugger and you guys will win. Sometimes nobody will drug and you will have a fair match.

 

Well my point is...you can't get everything you want in tanki. You'll lose some, and win some.

[Snyper22 15]

Drugging is part of the game. Snyper, you act like a spoiled player, You can't win every match. You can try but there will always be times where your team will lose because of druggers. I myself face druggers everyday when I play. There will always be times where your team has a drugger and you guys will win. Sometimes nobody will drug and you will have a fair match.

 

Well my point is...you can't get everything you want in tanki. You'll lose some, and win some.

 

 

What wonderful witty insight... NOT!! :D

[r_SealTeam60 0]

I'll ask you the same thing I asked in the other thread; why can't you drug back?

 

Are you millionaire or your parents still buy you things? Why would i want to spend or waste drugs on stupid cowards without brain? I'm now sitting in battle and cant respawn so i grabed opportunity to read Forum. We had the advantage almost 150 flags than after 2 stupid gold box, all opposite team exit and another player come on full drugs. Ok, fund thieves but i notice some just realy annoying coward... Third Lieutenant with m3 freeeze, m3 vik + zeus paint who druged all the time. He is real buyer and how i can battle against him? I play every day and my powerups are on xx number. I use drugs only for defend flag or somethimes just for revenge.

Tanki must make money but they need to provide some kind of drug free battle for no cost. :?

True :? :cry: [/quote

 

Or you can start your own map and not allow players ranked much higher than yourself. I basically agree with you, however, that is the nature of the game. High ranked players who fund steal were probably bullied when they were younger, and this is there only way to get revenge...Their Marshall rank says it all "They're lonely people who have nothing better to spend their money on...They live in their mom's house and since they don't date, they spend all their time on Tanki".