There needs to be rules or guidelines governing Drugging....

[r_danielsan0 0]

If it's worth - I also don't like to play anymore because drugs took over the game.

Really, every time i join a game, somebody comes in and starts drugging and it's over and no fun.

 

They should cancel the option to buy supplies and leave only the one that fall on map.

 

But it seems to me that most players here don't mind fair play anyway, so I guess this is wishful thinking.

[r_The_Colonel0 0]

I don't think there should be rules to govern drugging. You'd know whose the better man/woman. The non drugger. It's their strategy to use drugs to defeat you, why not avoid them and strike them from the side or behind? Gang up on him/her. That is a simple solution. Just don't do it for real. Their 'moderators' won't take you kindly. Hehe.

[r_R3APER0 16]

Why should the people that want to play "clean" have to PAY while druggers get a free ride to jump in and steal and plunder ???

 

This is the stupid part of your argument. Everything else is well structured and thought out. The thing is, druggers pay for their drugs (most of them do, or they wouldn't have an enormous supply to draw from in long battles). For the people that want to play "clean", do they pay in any way? No. For the people who make a living off this game, which is the better idea, to let the "clean" people play for free in no-drug battles so that the druggers don't have anyone to destroy, or to keep it as is and allow the druggers to keep on thier habit?

 

I'm not saying drugging is supportable, but in terms of the game, this is a valuable asset to those who use this game to make a living.

[joostcool 5,942]

ive got that problems very oft

but my problem is that guys use drugs when we play 10 VS 5 and they have the 10

they are already winnin g and then drugging i hate that guys

the fact is: there will be more and more games where you cant win without paying real money...

[skitee 555]

Blah Blah Blah, drugs complaints again. There needs to be rules this time concerning drugging, really? For goodness sake, drug back! Nothing is stopping you, except your own imbalanced morals. You, somehow, see something wrong somewhere along the line with drugging, and thus you don't, and you want people to stop who do.

 

I'm a drugger and proud about it, but at the same time I'm not a "drug-and-get-rid-of-your-drugs quick" sort of person. I always try to make sure that I have at least 100 of each double armor, double power, and nitro in my drug bank, in case a drugger invades a game that I'm in so I can counter him (I barely play games where I get more than 100 deaths because I just don't have enough time, and 100 deaths with drugging each time = 100 of each drug needed). I drug within reason, within my own common sense. I'm sure that you could also store up enough drugs so that you can play with druggers on their own boat, and then just take a chill out for a while.

 

What is so wrong with druggers that is not wrong with buyers, or epicly skilled people with an m3 garage earnt up? The only difference between drugs and crystals is that you consider it stupid to use drugs but not crystals - that is the only difference. Come on, can't somebody tell me any other difference between using crystals and drugs?

 

And before you ask, this topic was aimed at anyone anti-drugging. Any one of you, reply to me. But if you have nothing to say, don't say anything. No-one wants to hear your contribution if all you can do is go on and on for no real reason.

[r_PlasmaTank1 19]

Blah Blah Blah' date=' drugs complaints again. There needs to be rules this time concerning drugging, really? For goodness sake, [b']drug back[/b]! Nothing is stopping you, except your own imbalanced morals. You, somehow, see something wrong somewhere along the line with drugging, and thus you don't, and you want people to stop who do.

 

I'm a drugger and proud about it, but at the same time I'm not a "drug-and-get-rid-of-your-drugs quick" sort of person. I always try to make sure that I have at least 100 of each double armor, double power, and nitro in my drug bank, in case a drugger invades a game that I'm in so I can counter him (I barely play games where I get more than 100 deaths because I just don't have enough time, and 100 deaths with drugging each time = 100 of each drug needed). I drug within reason, within my own common sense. I'm sure that you could also store up enough drugs so that you can play with druggers on their own boat, and then just take a chill out for a while.

 

What is so wrong with druggers that is not wrong with buyers, or epicly skilled people with an m3 garage earnt up? The only difference between drugs and crystals is that you consider it stupid to use drugs but not crystals - that is the only difference. Come on, can't somebody tell me any other difference between using crystals and drugs?

 

And before you ask, this topic was aimed at anyone anti-drugging. Any one of you, reply to me. But if you have nothing to say, don't say anything. No-one wants to hear your contribution if all you can do is go on and on for no real reason.

 

+1, I agree, drugging back is exactly what i do. Unless you've run out a you can not buy any since the lack of crystals, just try your best. I drug sometimes just for the fun, and many low-rankers get pissed off and drug back; exactly what you should do. If you can pay for crystals, get some and buy drugs.

[The_Ice_Dragon 22]

@Skitee, I agree

 

...But, I think that No-Supplies passes should cost less.

[panzer-runner 2]

Why should the people that want to play "clean" have to PAY while druggers get a free ride to jump in and steal and plunder ???

 

This is the stupid part of your argument. Everything else is well structured and thought out. The thing is, druggers pay for their drugs (most of them do, or they wouldn't have an enormous supply to draw from in long battles). For the people that want to play "clean", do they pay in any way? No. For the people who make a living off this game, which is the better idea, to let the "clean" people play for free in no-drug battles so that the druggers don't have anyone to destroy, or to keep it as is and allow the druggers to keep on thier habit?

 

I'm not saying drugging is supportable, but in terms of the game, this is a valuable asset to those who use this game to make a living.

 

So you just call things you don't understand stupid, I get that. It also pis*es my off. That sets the tone, and I will now reply in kind:

 

Hey genius, your own stupidity reveals a lack of simple math skills. By your own logic.. I will explain this yet again for the learning disabled....

 

There are some who pay for drugs and some that do not. Got it so far? Good.

 

Those that pay for drugs and those that buy upgrades financially support the game. Good

 

For the players that play "clean", they may be supporting the game by buying upgrades but dislike drugs, ok? Or is buying drugs the only way to support this game according to R3aper? It is not. You can buy tanks, paint, guns, etc etc etc. If you idiots that think drugs are the only way Tanki is supported you will be in for a rude awakening when you wake up one day and find less and less people playing (and spending $) because they are sick of dealing with the gameplay becoming boring, predictable and a brainless pressing of 1234 rather than strategy.

 

Again .... If those that want to play clean were allowed to do so "free", it does not mean Tanki LOSES any money since these people DO NOT BUY DRUGS in the first place. Those that buy drugs and play druggers games do so now, and would continue to do so. Those that do not buy drugs right now will not in the future either, meaning NO INCOME GAINED OR LOST.

 

Tanki WILL LOSE MONEY if druggers drive us away and we simply stop playing. You know why? Because then Tanki will not see upgrades being bought, will not be able to get $ from advertising in the future because the game will be trashed, and people will not play. Is that the future you want? I do not.

 

Make the no-supplies pass free so we can have a way to avoid being forced to have our games ruined by druggers! Or else you druggers that spend so much on drugs should spend it on the pass ( 500 / month) and set up games to encourage OTHERS like myself to buy the pass. Why should I BUY a pass ? There are almost NO GAMES to play. Now THAT is STUPID. If there were many no-supplies games, I would buy the pass. So would others. There is not, and the only choices are to stop playing Tanki, or waste your time with games that get stolen by druggers. Lame. Stupid.

 

All I see in R3apers comments is a desire to try and bully people into buying drugs so we can "drug back" and a total ignorance to the fact that tons of players are sick of how lame pressing 1234 all game really is. Yes, its true if R3aper and others "convince" us all that everyone buying drugs is the only answer it would generate MORE income than right now. If people want to support the game by buying drugs and pressing 1234, cool, but we should not be bullied into doing so. Tanki Online better wake up and realize a good number of its supporters and players want to play "clean" games and the only solution is a pass for games that do not exist.

 

Next time you call my argument "stupid" you better be ready to back it up or risk being exposed as the stupid one. :evil:

[panzer-runner 2]

Blah Blah Blah' date=' drugs complaints again. There needs to be rules this time concerning drugging, really? For goodness sake, [b']drug back[/b]! Nothing is stopping you, except your own imbalanced morals. You, somehow, see something wrong somewhere along the line with drugging, and thus you don't, and you want people to stop who do.

 

I'm a drugger and proud about it, but at the same time I'm not a "drug-and-get-rid-of-your-drugs quick" sort of person. I always try to make sure that I have at least 100 of each double armor, double power, and nitro in my drug bank, in case a drugger invades a game that I'm in so I can counter him (I barely play games where I get more than 100 deaths because I just don't have enough time, and 100 deaths with drugging each time = 100 of each drug needed). I drug within reason, within my own common sense. I'm sure that you could also store up enough drugs so that you can play with druggers on their own boat, and then just take a chill out for a while.

 

What is so wrong with druggers that is not wrong with buyers, or epicly skilled people with an m3 garage earnt up? The only difference between drugs and crystals is that you consider it stupid to use drugs but not crystals - that is the only difference. Come on, can't somebody tell me any other difference between using crystals and drugs?

 

And before you ask, this topic was aimed at anyone anti-drugging. Any one of you, reply to me. But if you have nothing to say, don't say anything. No-one wants to hear your contribution if all you can do is go on and on for no real reason.

 

Skitee, I know you mean well, and I know where you are coming from, but you keep missing the point.

 

I CAN and DO drug back many times. That does not mean I WANT TO PLAY THAT WAY. There are many flaws in your logic. For one thing you can go ahead and have 100 of each in your reserve "just in case you need to use them" however that is just you. You have no control over the other players on your team and if they do not have that many drugs and the other team does, your sh*t out of luck. The TEAM with the most drugs wins. Its as simple and stupid as that.

 

The fact is that there are those that like to play by pressing 1234, and those that don't. Explain to me why I should HAVE to drug back? How is that a solution to NOT wanting to play druggers games in the first place? By your logic, anyone who hates druggers should just BECOME a drugger. What a twisted logic you have there.

 

Why is it so bad to let druggers play with druggers and non druggers play with non druggers? Is it because those with lots of drugs like to pick on those that don't? Yes, it is.

 

The developers obviously agree with the idea of letting people play without worrying about druggers and that is why there is a no-supplies pass. The only problem is that it costs too much considering the fact that there is like NO games to play and a waste of money. Until there are games to use your pass on, no one will buy it. If it was free, there might be more games going on. That would keep players from just giving up on Tanki altogether.

 

And another thing, what the h*ll is "imbalanced morals" ??? Please do not try to sound intellectual, it just backfires on you. :roll:

[panzer-runner 2]

How about just make a seperate server where you cant drug at all, no supply server, its free and you can choose to go there, dont wana go there? sure no problem.

 

That way druggers Vs. Druggers

 

Non vs. Non

 

 

Great idea, and I know others have called for something like this. :mrgreen: This way everyone would be happy.

[panzer-runner 2]

If it's worth - I also don't like to play anymore because drugs took over the game.

Really, every time i join a game, somebody comes in and starts drugging and it's over and no fun.

 

They should cancel the option to buy supplies and leave only the one that fall on map.

 

But it seems to me that most players here don't mind fair play anyway, so I guess this is wishful thinking.

 

I want to thank you for speaking up, :thumbup: there is many of us out there playing and feeling exactly like you do, but do not say anything.

[russia102010 14]

How about just make a seperate server where you cant drug at all, no supply server, its free and you can choose to go there, dont wana go there? sure no problem.

 

That way druggers Vs. Druggers

 

Non vs. Non

 

 

Great idea, and I know others have called for something like this. :mrgreen: This way everyone would be happy.

Awesome Idea! But Tanki will have to add more servers so over 5 million people play and have fun! Otherwise good thinkin!

[r_R3APER0 16]

Why should the people that want to play "clean" have to PAY while druggers get a free ride to jump in and steal and plunder ???

 

This is the stupid part of your argument. Everything else is well structured and thought out. The thing is, druggers pay for their drugs (most of them do, or they wouldn't have an enormous supply to draw from in long battles). For the people that want to play "clean", do they pay in any way? No. For the people who make a living off this game, which is the better idea, to let the "clean" people play for free in no-drug battles so that the druggers don't have anyone to destroy, or to keep it as is and allow the druggers to keep on thier habit?

 

I'm not saying drugging is supportable, but in terms of the game, this is a valuable asset to those who use this game to make a living.

 

For the players that play "clean", they may be supporting the game by buying upgrades but dislike drugs, ok? Or is buying drugs the only way to support this game according to R3aper? It is not. You can buy tanks, paint, guns, etc etc etc.

 

That's a one time purchase, after you have it you no longer contribute monetary income to tanki. More income is made off the selling of drugs than from upgrades.

 

Again .... If those that want to play clean were allowed to do so "free"' date=' it does not mean Tanki LOSES any money since these people DO NOT BUY DRUGS in the first place. Those that buy drugs and play druggers games do so now, and would continue to do so. Those that do not buy drugs right now will not in the future either, meaning NO INCOME GAINED OR LOST. [/quote']

 

The point of drugs is just that, drugs. They power up the tank to give an advantage. If druggers played in "drug-battles" then there wouldn't be any advantage, and so the point of drugging is lost, which leads to them not buying drugs. Which again leads us back to the economic model of tanki. Mainly, that upgrades are a one time purchase, while drugs are bought for a constant advantage in battles.

 

Tanki WILL LOSE MONEY if druggers drive us away and we simply stop playing. You know why? Because then Tanki will not see upgrades being bought' date=' will not be able to get $ from advertising in the future because the game will be trashed, and people will not play. Is that the future you want? I do not. [/quote']

 

Theoretically yes, but it isn't. Wanna know how I know that? If tanki was losing money because people were leaving, they'd change it. No one is stupid enough to continue with something that causes them loss. Yet, this idea has been brought up multiple times, but no change has been made. Why? Because it is more profitable to have drugs they way they are than to change the dynamics of the game.

 

All I see in R3apers comments is a desire to try and bully people into buying drugs so we can "drug back" and a total ignorance to the fact that tons of players are sick of how lame pressing 1234 all game really is.

 

Funny how that's your own egotistical analysis of my argument. Do I tell you or otherwise try to convince you to DO anything? Nope. All I said was why it is set up as it is, and why your argument isn't going anywhere, nor are changes going to be made.

[skitee 555]

Skitee, I know you mean well, and I know where you are coming from, but you keep missing the point.

 

I CAN and DO drug back many times. That does not mean I WANT TO PLAY THAT WAY. There are many flaws in your logic. For one thing you can go ahead and have 100 of each in your reserve "just in case you need to use them" however that is just you. You have no control over the other players on your team and if they do not have that many drugs and the other team does, your sh*t out of luck. The TEAM with the most drugs wins. Its as simple and stupid as that.

 

The fact is that there are those that like to play by pressing 1234, and those that don't. Explain to me why I should HAVE to drug back? How is that a solution to NOT wanting to play druggers games in the first place? By your logic, anyone who hates druggers should just BECOME a drugger. What a twisted logic you have there.

 

Why is it so bad to let druggers play with druggers and non druggers play with non druggers? Is it because those with lots of drugs like to pick on those that don't? Yes, it is.

 

The developers obviously agree with the idea of letting people play without worrying about druggers and that is why there is a no-supplies pass. The only problem is that it costs too much considering the fact that there is like NO games to play and a waste of money. Until there are games to use your pass on, no one will buy it. If it was free, there might be more games going on. That would keep players from just giving up on Tanki altogether.

 

And another thing, what the h*ll is "imbalanced morals" ??? Please do not try to sound intellectual, it just backfires on you. :roll:

 

Thank you panzer for a balanced and sensible reply to my question.

 

I think, however, that you miss the point of my statement. My statement is not to say that you should drug back, or that you should be able to win back: I'm not saying that. That is fact that you can't control players in your team, and however much you drug you just cannot sometimes win the battle that way. I found this out not so long ago, I was one of the strongest players in the match and I was full drugging, yet my team lost 5-1. Why? My team-mates, to put it simply, were newbs. They weren't playing badly, but against the higher weapons on the enemy team, they had no chance, and without a team, neither did I.

 

My point from my statements on this topic and on the other one can be summed up as this: I want to show not that drugging is right, but that people who complain about drugging are hypocrites. Basically, the same people who complain about druggers and people who spend $$$ of cash on drugs will be the same people who are proud about the fact that they buy crystals (Snyper22 is an example of this). The same people who say drugging is unfair will join a game with their m3 - m3 combo and ruin it for newbies. The same people who write topics about drugging and how bad it is, will, at the same time, post on another topic saying to newbies who complain about the unfairness of higher ranks' dominance, saying how "it is just the game" and "people who play for a long time and who spend cash should be rewarded".

 

Strikes me of a bit of hypocrisy, does it not? This is what I mean by "imbalanced morals". Basically, let me put it in another way, helping you see it in this light.

 

For what you call in your posts:

-"Drugs".... replace that word in your mind with "crystals" whenever you see it.

-"People who spend cash on drugs"... replace that with "people who spend cash on m3 garages".

-"People who join a game and ruin it by drugging", could be replaced with "people who join a game with their m3 - m3 and ruin the game by owning".

-"No-supplies games" can be replaced by "Games with a tiny rank limit".

-"Drugging" can be replaced by "Buying".

-And so on, and so forth.

 

Switch these words, and you have a very different yet fundamentally similar post: any people who complain about crystals and buyers and the like, would be complaining about one aspect of tanki that some people take advantage of and others cannot take advantage of, for whatever means.

 

And the thing is, many people would have these complaints. And another fact is, you would quite probably be the first in line to jump in front and criticise these people because of their lack of logic and ill-sense. You see my point? In my opinion, people who complain about drugs are equal to people who complain about buyers, people who play a lot and get big funds that way, people who are epicly skilled, and the like. I see no difference.

 

Explain to me what is the difference between: "buying/playing well and earning an m3 garage", and "drugging", and then I may see it differently. Whilst your answer is sensible and balanced, and that is fact, at the same time you still did not really answer my question: you instead answered what you thought to be hidden ideas behind my question, about drugging back and all that sort of thing.

 

Answer my question on face value: Other than the fact that you consider earning lots of crystals (by whatever means) and then using your m3 garage which you got as a result of that (whether or not you have an m3 garage or not is irrelevant the fact is that you would use it if you got it) fine, even against lower ranks/non-buyers who cannot get such a garage, and you consider drugging not to be fine, what is the difference?

 

And about sounding intellectual, sorry if I did. I do not intend to be intellectual, I try to act myself and speak from my heart. If my heart is intellectual (as I hope it isn't, but it may be), then too bad. But I doubt that it is.

[cablaz 32]

one thing i wanted to say, you can influence your team to drug if a high rank drugs or you continue successful attempts of druggin when capturing flags.

 

Only If that is a successful

 

-Can you then Boost team morale

-Increase percentage of team drugs because now they see that winning has hope and you have brought light onto the field

-Decrease enemy morale making them thus think winning is no hope and will fight with weaker focus

------

 

Now i'm not supporting of druggers ruining games and everything, Just pointing out opinion

 

but do note that drug attempts must be successful for it to increase percentage rate.

[russia102010 14]

What about Membership? Like a cheap $5 a month?

[joostcool 5,942]

I'm a drugger and proud about it.

 

accualy drugs arent things to be proud of

you are just using it because without are you to bad

[skitee 555]

accualy drugs arent things to be proud of

you are just using it because without are you to bad

 

Heh, really? Some people use drugs because they are there to be used and not using them is just plain illogical, you know.

[joostcool 5,942]

using drugs is as you have got enemys flag

or as enemy uses drugs too but someone has to start

[kingeoin14 30]

One drugger is bad enough. You get a group, and it's time to leave the game.

[MonkeyMagic 89]

Skitee, I know you mean well, and I know where you are coming from, but you keep missing the point.

 

I CAN and DO drug back many times. That does not mean I WANT TO PLAY THAT WAY. There are many flaws in your logic. For one thing you can go ahead and have 100 of each in your reserve "just in case you need to use them" however that is just you. You have no control over the other players on your team and if they do not have that many drugs and the other team does, your sh*t out of luck. The TEAM with the most drugs wins. Its as simple and stupid as that.

 

The fact is that there are those that like to play by pressing 1234, and those that don't. Explain to me why I should HAVE to drug back? How is that a solution to NOT wanting to play druggers games in the first place? By your logic, anyone who hates druggers should just BECOME a drugger. What a twisted logic you have there.

 

Why is it so bad to let druggers play with druggers and non druggers play with non druggers? Is it because those with lots of drugs like to pick on those that don't? Yes, it is.

 

The developers obviously agree with the idea of letting people play without worrying about druggers and that is why there is a no-supplies pass. The only problem is that it costs too much considering the fact that there is like NO games to play and a waste of money. Until there are games to use your pass on, no one will buy it. If it was free, there might be more games going on. That would keep players from just giving up on Tanki altogether.

 

And another thing, what the h*ll is "imbalanced morals" ??? Please do not try to sound intellectual, it just backfires on you. :roll:

 

Thank you panzer for a balanced and sensible reply to my question.

 

I think, however, that you miss the point of my statement. My statement is not to say that you should drug back, or that you should be able to win back: I'm not saying that. That is fact that you can't control players in your team, and however much you drug you just cannot sometimes win the battle that way. I found this out not so long ago, I was one of the strongest players in the match and I was full drugging, yet my team lost 5-1. Why? My team-mates, to put it simply, were newbs. They weren't playing badly, but against the higher weapons on the enemy team, they had no chance, and without a team, neither did I.

 

My point from my statements on this topic and on the other one can be summed up as this: I want to show not that drugging is right, but that people who complain about drugging are hypocrites. Basically, the same people who complain about druggers and people who spend $$$ of cash on drugs will be the same people who are proud about the fact that they buy crystals (Snyper22 is an example of this). The same people who say drugging is unfair will join a game with their m3 - m3 combo and ruin it for newbies. The same people who write topics about drugging and how bad it is, will, at the same time, post on another topic saying to newbies who complain about the unfairness of higher ranks' dominance, saying how "it is just the game" and "people who play for a long time and who spend cash should be rewarded".

 

Strikes me of a bit of hypocrisy, does it not? This is what I mean by "imbalanced morals". Basically, let me put it in another way, helping you see it in this light.

 

For what you call in your posts:

-"Drugs".... replace that word in your mind with "crystals" whenever you see it.

-"People who spend cash on drugs"... replace that with "people who spend cash on m3 garages".

-"People who join a game and ruin it by drugging", could be replaced with "people who join a game with their m3 - m3 and ruin the game by owning".

-"No-supplies games" can be replaced by "Games with a tiny rank limit".

-"Drugging" can be replaced by "Buying".

-And so on, and so forth.

 

Switch these words, and you have a very different yet fundamentally similar post: any people who complain about crystals and buyers and the like, would be complaining about one aspect of tanki that some people take advantage of and others cannot take advantage of, for whatever means.

 

And the thing is, many people would have these complaints. And another fact is, you would quite probably be the first in line to jump in front and criticise these people because of their lack of logic and ill-sense. You see my point? In my opinion, people who complain about drugs are equal to people who complain about buyers, people who play a lot and get big funds that way, people who are epicly skilled, and the like. I see no difference.

 

Explain to me what is the difference between: "buying/playing well and earning an m3 garage", and "drugging", and then I may see it differently. Whilst your answer is sensible and balanced, and that is fact, at the same time you still did not really answer my question: you instead answered what you thought to be hidden ideas behind my question, about drugging back and all that sort of thing.

 

Answer my question on face value: Other than the fact that you consider earning lots of crystals (by whatever means) and then using your m3 garage which you got as a result of that (whether or not you have an m3 garage or not is irrelevant the fact is that you would use it if you got it) fine, even against lower ranks/non-buyers who cannot get such a garage, and you consider drugging not to be fine, what is the difference?

 

And about sounding intellectual, sorry if I did. I do not intend to be intellectual, I try to act myself and speak from my heart. If my heart is intellectual (as I hope it isn't, but it may be), then too bad. But I doubt that it is.

 

 

lol

[r_AdvocatusDiaboli0 861]

lol

 

Is that lol agreeing with skitee or panzer? :mrgreen:

 

As for me, I agree with skitee.

[russia102010 14]

A drugger buys a load. Then starts robing games. And uses those crystals to buy more! Druggers don't need to pay that much it seems.

[SaIvation 46]

someone said tanki will lose money because of druggers......

ITS because of those druggers who are epic buyers that tanki gets so much money.

you think youve spent alot if you have a weapon/tank m2.....

the big buyers that always drug have full garages and tons of drugs.

so who do you think tanki will listen too, small buyers or big buyers.

 

 

and to any who hates when your fund is being stolen, just find drugging pros to help you. :lol:

[r_therussian0 47]

lol, naive newbee number 5073.