If you talking to me... This little creepy isida is usually on the top of the list and usually seems all opponents have desperate wish to kill me. But it's the way how to sneak behind their backs. Btw, iknat1... what is more important target than carrier with stolen flag? :P

I'm really pleased to hear, that there is at least one M3 thunder I don't have be afraid of :wink: Otherwise all these M3 thunders are real pain in ass, I'm not pro enough to determine quickly where they are shooting from. You right. But has nothing to do with pro. When you are in scope-mode you only notice that you've been hit, if shooter is not in your view. In second hit you can determinate angle where does it come from (if you are good)... and third shot you are dead.

Do you really need to tell everything? We have enough smart players to cope with... :( Live us some dummies for cannon-food :P

You are bull...ing! Shaft in Sandbox ...? :lol: Who was that wanabeShaft? Or he was among very good friends in his team. Otherwise... If I don't play with shaft I play with M3 "isida&hornet" combination. Isida has lowest range of all and I still kill a lot of shfts in Kungur and sepuhow as well. If I don't get opponent with M3 shaft and Master's degree of shaft I'll kil him. Polygon as well, but I play polygon with rail and I don't practice rail lately so I'm rusty with rail. Actually before I bought M2 shaft I was killing shafts with rail. With thunder should be even easier while thunder doesn't have shooting-delay. I haven't upgraded thunder because: 1) almost everybody has thunder, 2) splash efect in close contact is too much deadly for shooter. In Fort Knox you need rico, thunder or freez to kill shaft...

If you have thunder M3 and i come with hornet you only need hit me twice - I can't survive. So now I have to complain about thunder? Read what you've written! Yor problem is not in shaft but in mammy with drugs! If I came with isida and hornet even M0 shaft can kill me in one kick. So what? I still killed them a lot. On other side I play shaft and know all weak points of shaft. Your complaints are stupid. Do some maths... If we take clear 200 hp. Even M3 shaft need 10,9 second to kill 200 hp but M3 thunder need only 9,8 seconds! Consider M3 shaft costs 32000 criytals (only last upgrade cost 21600)! Compare with 20500 what you've gave for your thunder M3! Only last upgrade cost M3 shafts owner more than your whole price. BTW - M2 shaft is slower recharge and less efective... Beside of that - if you have average skills, you will find where shaft hides after 3 - 4 hits (I find in 2-3 in some maps I know well in first shot) no matter how well is hidden. By thunder you won't find himin 3-4 kills. So... Grow up and stop complaining! Buy yourself mammy M3, proteckting color and so on... or (as Mickey3 told you) buy yourselfe a M3 shaft if you think it's so easy with shaft. And mentioning isida is stupid. Of course you can't kill anyone constantly healed with isida. evem shaft M3 can't kill m3 mammy constantly healed with isida!

Again you with your smart ideas? If you wouldn't had jade you would be killed with 1st kick. So now I with shaft I should demamnd jade should be removed? Or thunders' splash efect should be removed? ... or... Or ricos hits may not bounce...? If Shaft is not covered with another weapon (especially isida) is mostly completely helples if you have enough skills. But seems you don't have. Second - as Micky3 wrote you To illumuinate you: - angle of shafts view (sniper mode - only that has that "kick") is about 10 degrees. You (all other weapons) have about 60. You can move when you aim and shoot - shaft can't. More I won't help you. Grow up and get skills! Good player never complain about shafts - they are able to kill them. M3 shaft is quite decent weapon, with M2 shaft is really difficult to survive if skilled players are in game, anything below M2 is burden, not a weapon.

Well, that was clever and fair stroke

Lieutenant_Me, you really disappointed me. I had better opinion about you. Only spoiled selfish child with low self-esteem can write or support something like that. Why don't you demand rule where only you may play battles or even better only you may win and collect the fund and other are obligated to be cannon-food? GROW UP! If they pay, they can play. If you don't want them there - make a private battle! Only play where is ok to demand someone or majority demand someone to live battle is clan war or training - sometime happens there's too many links for some battles which are actually private - s... happens. But open random game... Give me a brake! It's already enough difficult to find a non-supply game to use free-non-supply card. BTW - Otherwise both (isida or shaft) are in category of most vulnerable weapons and any other weapon is easier to play. Truth is, that only high skilled and experienced isida or shaft players can reach good result. Noobs with these two weapons do only problems to team and themselves. 1) Isida is weapon with shortest reach! If you want to do good result with isida, you have to be highly skilled that you can do a kill and work twice as much as others if you really want to come high (only healing is never enough). 2) Shaft is weapon with incredible kick, but is most slow and clumsy weapon of all. If you want powerful kick, you must be in sniper mode and you can't move as any other weapon can. Beside of that you have very narrow angle of view and anyone can come behind you or from aside and kill you before you noticed danger. Who complain against those two weapons only he think he is good and well skilled, but in real he is noob with low self-esteem and with lack of skills and experiences. REMEMBER! Every weapon has its pros and cons! Skilled players can use pros of their weapons and cons of opponent weapons! BUT! You really can meet somehow "legal cheaters" who actually are fund-stealer. Those "legal cheaters" are really problems, because you can't prove they are illegal but they actually really have dishonest advantage. However, those guys don't come with isidas and shafts but mostly are involved freezers & ricos, often twins and thuders rarely (but also) isidas for support other easier to stealing flag. I never met shaft in such company because is too slow and clumsy for that and usually if they choose map they need a shaft (but usually don't), surely some lucky (innocent) shaft will be already there. I won't tell you, what they do, because I'm sure there will be full of that and complainers as you are will be first to use that "knowledge". When you meet them, you will know... (if you are smart enough ;) ) yonsneg :twisted: CHEAT-HUNTER :twisted: EDIT: Yes, if there is obvious that all have one kind of "special" equipment as "mosquito" battle or something like that... or low equipment in general - then is rude to participate with some powerful M3 stuff. That could be valid reason to ask someone to live battle.

Respectable Ksenia Ignatieva BTW - this is not meant insulting but - more you (TOL) talk about cheat-fighting, more cheating is present in battles. You (TOL) just give impression you protect Russian "cheaters". (Russian is meant all ex "CCCP" republic) If that insulted you, I'm really sorry, but, see, in primary school I was forced to learn Cyrillic letters (not Russian - Serbian), so I know also difference between those alphabets. I don't claim all cheater and saboteur are Russian and aren't also other nations, but whenever they've written anything in in-game-chat was in Russian Cyrillic letters. And be sure - I put a lot of attention in those things, when I get impression there's cheating present. I'm just sorry I don't understand Russian well enough and I also read very slowly. Otherwise would be more fun... So... I have direct suggestions for you. For cheat-hunting: - Make on forum a "Hall of shame" and put there all that cheater and reasons as well. It seems your "cleaning" has some "bugs" and it seems there's really possibilities innocent players are banned. - Since blocking cheater by nick is more or less useless, block cheater by their "MAC address" and lock them that way, since IP is changing at dynamic access, but MAC address doesn't - this will drastically reduce cheating since they won't be able to open new account and really make it unprofitable. Until you don't prevent cheater to open new account, fight against them is hopeless. (Since TOL haven't tried that way yet, that unpleasant impressions occur) For sabotage preventing: - Change rules! Ban for sabotaging should be 2 month! Ban for a day is a joke! It just encourage dishonest people/asociations to do that, giving them opportunities stealing huge funds of crystals and being banned for a day for that is "lucrative business". So few connected dishonest people can circle and stealing finds. On other side that make honest players feel stupid. Do you really want that? I hope you will take my words in positive way to improve things in contentment of honest players and improvement of your (TOL) image. Best regards yonsneg :twisted: CHEAT-HUNTER :twisted: P.S.: You can answer me also on PM. Thanks

Hi, Mister_G. Nice work! If I may add... You've forgotten at cons... • telltale shine on barrels end which tell all (opponent) shafts and thunders you are about to shoot This shine tells them they have to hit your caterpillar immediately to insure you fail your hit.

I am offended @_@ I do that a lot with great ease. And so do some of my fellow clanmates. Shaft is an amazing fighter at the enemy base if your friends can provide you with cover. Shaft will always be the Tier 2 Railgun for me :) c'mon kool! I didn't talk about shafts who settle somewhere behind enemies lines and do massacre and confusion at enemies base (if possible covered with smart isida) - BTW those shafts are very rarely on hornets. I talk about hornet&shaft combinations running around like headless chickens (usually that are WO 4/5) chasing flag instead helping their team using advantages of shaft. You also can't claim shaft do same damage in non-sniper mode as rail. And you know that rail is a lot more mobile as shaft in sniper mode. What I've written wrong - yes, shaft is not strictly defending weapon. It is stationary weapon, mostly used for defense or dominating area.

Agree completely. Shaft is strictly defending weapon even-though you can see noobs running around with shaft and stealing flags. But those players are "wannabe..." and don't have a clue what shaft really is :thumbdown: . Rail is very mobile weapon not so clumsy as shaft. It can be used both def or off. Just need skilled player (cheese3000 is definitely one of them - I saw him) and drugged Rail has M3 shaft effect. @ all "shaft & hornet comb" players - if you want stealing flags (especially maps like "Iran") buy yourself rico or freez! These are close contact weapons. You can use also M3 twins (can be unpleasant opponent with viking M3) as you can se a lot of russian players. Don't try isida. Even-though isida is most close contact weapon, you are NOT right person for isida style.

I wonder... could be some inconsistence between new lash Player and Win7 :? :(

It happen to me lately often, but not only with shaft. Browser crashes suddenly - got no idea why. Usually after i kill someone or I got killed. Tried 3 browsers (Firefox, opera, Chrome) all the same.

I gues this should go in "General". Otherwise - it is one of dissadvanteges of the weapon. Get used to it. I've met a lot of players who don't have problems with that. Practice and improve your skills.

Only noobs with a rating of 500 or less can steal fund with isida. And all pro players play battles without isida Isida is not for spoiled, cocky selfish people who thinks everithings has to go their way. Problem are not isidas. I'll tell you who are problem. Problem are mostly cheaters and druggers! And also are problem people who thinks that everything must be as they want. Ring a bell? I also hate some weapons - i hate freezers mostly and ricos too. But I don't complain they against. GROW UP! Isida is (mostly) a teamplayer weapon and it is not for noobs! Noobs can't survive anywhere! Only verry skilled isida can survive. And, Contaminated, stop being a jerk complaining against isidas al the time. Is your self-esteem so low? (That's only what your complaining shows.) If you think pepole "still" funds with isida, so do the same and stop complaining! If noobs can "still" you funds, it won't be hard for skilled guy as you are. But you won't, because it's too hard. Isida has to work twice as hard as any weapon. (BTW - Rico, freez and thunder are easiest weapons.) What koolwalky did (participate a deathmatch game with isida) is so crazy that deserves a respect. It shows guy really want to improve his skills to max. And you should be grateful to him, because he gave you opportunity to get aditional points killing him.

Yeah, Bruce... Think about! You can see complaints from people, who are clan leaders and honest players, not cheaters. Cheaters have other possibilities for cheating. Most a flag cheating, teleporting and shooting from building... It's truth, that you will (maybe) prevent mult and sabotage cheating, but for what cost...? Maybe you can do rank belt a little narrower, but not so narrow.

It's really problem for clan wars. And don't rise now rank for playing clan wars! There are many god players (even lower rank as 3rd Lt.) who deserve to play clan wars. Would be better solution to stop offering drug supplies.

Well, I hope that acts will confirm your words. Up to now you haven't earn my trust and complaints forum is flooded by reporting of cheaters and some of them are incredibly smart and precocious - very difficult to catch them so that offer indisputable proof.

Stop complain! It is not shafts foult if you and those who you were together, can't play. Different people, different styles. Actually I'm surprised, how well are all weapons in tankionline balanced.They are some diferences and maybe easiest work has rico and tuffest isida. But overall there's no best weapon. They all have their pros an cons as they have their purposes. So... Shaft has it's purpose too. For how expensiwe it is, actually doesn't have enough power. Making shaft even weaker would make this weapon useles. It's not fair so static weapon to take also its power! Should be stronger in normal mode and should be able to kill any hull in one shot. Beside of that - shaft is extremely voulnerable if you play right. I won't teach you how to kill, since one of my two combinaton I like is shaft. But I tell you... Safts have very narrow angle of view (in sniper-mode) and they are slow like turtle (and more charge it has - slower it is). They are also highly dependable on isidas (especially on mammys while take ages to reach position they wish) But if right people come together, they can be unbeatable. Shaft player must be able to find good spot and must be very patient person - sometime prepared to wait for ages. Mostly "wanabe-good-shaft" (or better "think-they-are-good-shafts") chasing really good shafts and pushing them of their positions. Or bother them so long that they are fed up and move themselve away... Other problem of shafts are stupid players jumping infornt of shaft cover their view (soshafts are often victims of rails and thunders) or climbing ower them instead using other way.

Eddy, It would be better to do sticky and return to complaints. Please return to complaints. Wil be more suitable and helpful. Really! Everyone who hunt those bastards look here. General is not suitable forum for this.

atleast you know how to use it right like i said above, but the ones that im talking about, which are probably 90% of isida users are bad As bad as 90% freezers, ricos, thunders, twins, ... Problem are buyers and cheaters - I think there's realy some cheat enable that someone can be druged 24/7 during game. There's no sense to spend so much drugs otherwise, because they can never earn so much crystals as they spend. Or they are so stupid :?