What I see is that instead of many saying that its a bad rebalance they say its a O.K rebalance Now what I thing about rebalance is --- after testing all turrets and hulls 1. Many of us have started saying that thunder rebalance is O.K remember that means that they are trying to saying that YES!!!! NOW OUR M4 VIKING STAND LIKE A OLD DICTATOR AGAINST THUNDER. Thunder was an all rounder good gun , a gun with the ability of being used everywhere like large , medium and short lvls. This is what I consider as a good all rounder gun that doesnt need to be change but now after changing things it looks like devs are trying to make it a MOSTLY large lvl gun bcz as u know splash dmg comes in handy in short lvls so less. In other words decreasing a bit dmg , is now meaning a giving ~2.30sec to a tank which is more than enough , Consider this a viking that now usually dies in 4hits , with fully mued emrald will die in 8hit -- and u will say IMAO . We can say it like that Consider thunder like a routine gun and its ability is splash dmg , devs have make that ability too good but decreasing the capabilities of thunder it self , this is called a nerf if u think it this way. OR You can say it like if this thunder was alllowed in old rebalance it somewhat would have worked but after rebalance - after increasing capabilities of most hulls and turrets , it just is weaker. consider that huge amount of paints collection this gun has. 2. Freeze - This gun alongside with firebird , twins , isida is mostly used on short lvls. Now if u see it I will say that its freezing is reduced to zero. It is somewhat something but I like to say that its nthing now , as soon as u die it eliminates and to freeze takes a long time. Though dmg is increased but still they have nerfed it a lot and when compared it with old freeze which was not op I will say that this freeze got 4/10 capabilities of that old freeze , What was oldest freeze, ans will be a turret for slowing down flag runners and killing by circling gun , what was old freeze - what was only to freeze away turret but for a long time , what is this freze / i MUST say that this freeze is now better for killing fast , Consider this where u will kill a person in 5sec now he dies in 2.5 sec which is good but considering other gun rebalances they will kill u even faster. Again I would give an example freeze is a simple turret with the ability of freezing , now devs have nearly nulified its ability making it worthless and bad from even thunder. Now dont say get used to this turret now bcz like 90% of us will nvr be able to. Why / we bought this turret by considering its freezing effects not by considering its dmg which is less than firebird. We bought this turret to increase our teams defence and this is what we are used to do with freeze , but by increasing killing speed u have made it an offensive turret, Thats firebird work not freezes its has only 1 work and thats to freeze according to me , in CTF it means to freeze and run to the flag or to kill if u are defending or simply teams aid. We cannot get used to this an believe me some of us will nvr be. 3. Now its time for Isida I must say rather than making it an over powered gun they make it look ridiculous. Umm see WHY ISIDA WAS MADE / WHAT WAS IT pURpOSE ---- ANS is it was made just for healing so rather than increasing healing abilities they increased attacking abilities . So, it was a defensive and aiding turret which now changes to an offesive turret :mellow: . So now instead of healing , now isidas have to stick to attacking which is a disadvantage for team but good for the user. They might kill easily on 1on1 but instead of before situations like 2vs2 or 3vs3 u could heal and ur team would stay to live longer :angry: so isida is like a garbage now. 4.I think justice has been done for rico , they say true that bcz of increasing range , impact force has been decreased 5.WoW hammer is too good now , I mean they reduced 4dmg , this is good for m3 hunters bcz with a 15%-20% protection paint now hunters can survive it hits but increasing magazine reload and reload btw shots is increased So , Hammer is a v.v.v.v.v.v.v.v.v. good turret right now , as it have best impact force in game and increasing in hitting time makes it a better turret than thunder. For me at short lvls hammer and twins are 10/10 turret no. 6.Twins is now more op than ever as now m4 twins hits 17-21 :o rather than before 17-19 , if u notice the diff. btw m1=10.2-12.4 and m2 is 12.5-15.2 where the first ended second started and its same of m2andm3 ... and they gives a boost of +2dmg of m4twins ..... WOW 10/10 for sure 7. Umm its overall good rebalance for smoky but when its compared with thunder lets see... 2 shots of smoky = 1 shot of thunder max dmg of m4 smoky x2 > max dmg of m4 thunder x1 <_< and smoky got critical hit which in my opinion is better than thunder -_- 8. They did justice to shaft. HULLS umm they increased there speeds but what about the hulls which are known for speed / They should increase there defence

they did a lot of research without considering US then.... This is unfair I mean I got m3 thunder which i heavily mmued and now guess what it sucks and nearly 4 shots are needed for viking. >.< freeze got a hell of nerf too >.<. a useless and now my isida is a bit too good

Hammer is too good as always When drugging its like that I got hit by hammer and died , second member got hit and died and same for third one and as soon as fourth one comes to kills guess what again firing is coming. It should have been nerfed but as many said BEST TACTICS -- NERF THE POPULAR , BOOST THE OTHER -- even if boost is crazy lol

And consider twins and titan is being healed by an isida >.<

Though I am happy I got m3 isida that is mued But too sad about my freeze and thunder m3 >.<

THESE new changes sucks , already tried them Firebird As seen they have make firebird again a better turret than freeze. How lets see guys Range of firebird m4 --- M3+ max range is increased by ~8% (from 23,0 to 25,0 meters) Range of freeze M4 --- M3+ max range is decreased by ~4% (from 21,0 to 20,0) an increase of 5metres And M3 firebird M3 damage is increased by ~1% (from 32,1 to 32,5) and freeze has the same thing. Now firebird is actually a better turret than freeze as u can see but not only this if u see freezing of freeze It sucks now I mean firebird have way better burning then 4sec freeze which eliminates as soon as u die. FREEZE IS DISCUSSED WITH IT Isida Now isida is too good I mean twice the damage as done before - and faster health recovery NOTE I am smiling bcz i got m3 isida. If i have to saay I WOULD say Isida > Firebird > Freeze Twins Wow really dmg incresed again. Now its the best short range turret Ricochet UMM when u see and compare it with twins its crap I must say.I mean dmg and impact force both are decreased ..... WHY Smoky I must say that admins dealt it right according to need in short lvls but now in medium ones it will rock out through the game. I mean 50+ dmg in two hits on hornet and nxt turn 100 critical hit , so it can now 3hit KO hornet making it a bit too good. Vulcan Wow I nvr have tried it but it seems a big boost , and will kill easier and harder I must say that it looks a bit too good Thunder Umm that nerfing of thunder is bad enough. I am used to thunder from like 1st lieutenant and now decreasing dmg might seems nthing at first glance but if u see the old thunder I should say that it holds the ability to kill viking in 3hits which it cannot now. and splash dmg comes in use so less. Shaft They did justice to it now I can think of using it in medium lvl and even short ones with right techinque. HULLS Why increase speed of every thing it means that they can approach turrets like thunder fast . This is bad for hornet likes >.< I mostly stick to short and medium range lvls so if I were t rate then 1. Twins 2. Isida 3. Hammer - Oh I forgot this one - I want to say that they should decrese its impact force or considering its impact force they should decrease its hitting time. 4. Railgun - They increased its rate of firing but why not decrease dmg >.< It will aid better than thunder now 5. Smoky 7. Vulcan 8. Thunder 9. Freeze

those pics are such a beauty acc to me hunter is the best , in every situation

umm , i use freeze freeze and hornet m3 , I discoverred one think - u guys are right Its a short ranged now but one thing that I love if the others dont have firebird or isida , its to attack with aim that whole team turret will be freeze , I dont thinnk of dmg done and all but my aim makes my team easy to kill them and easy flagging

For me its common like , when I first enter the battle I first have to sd and then kill... according to me , thats ur laptop saying gimme a break , for that just go to garage and change , just sd or u can jst refresh but refreshing takes time and can be a disaster for ur team so avoid that

Umm lets discuss it Smoky - critical hit + fast firing ---- no disadvantage Thunder - Splash dmg - self destruct Railgun - impact force - no disadvantage Shaft - cool dmg but long range makes him not a good choice in short maps so lets think it as an disadvantge Freeze - freezeing effect + multi targets -- short range than firebird Firebird - buring dmg + multi targets - no disadvantage Isida- self heal , frnd heal and good range Vulcan good in maps like combe Hammar fast firing range than thunder , shots that can kill a dictator too + 1OKO hornet remember they nerfed thunder for that and others tjhing is they should mued shaft thunder freeze very much , smoky and everyother gun a little to make it equal to hammer

Lets face it guys twins is better than this though it builds dmg but it is so easy to hide ...... twins is better

M2 rico I got , though non-mued ricom2 at my ranks is not good enough but m3 rocks like hell!! Let me tell u

tough one

SO what is the ans/ wasp or dictator

WoW I disagree with this idea for many reasons

well u are right , the only way to not to do it is fight 15min fights + 100cry boxes were better

HI, wanted to ask something/ as i cant see video blog tell me wat is test box

As we know that two new turrets have arrived in the game ( actually 1 has and one will ), and according to the news if I am right, formats for XP battles will come. No one knew these changes will ever come, so are we getting a refund? though it is highly unlikely but in my opinion will we get a refund? I normally prefer my thunder or smokies and rails but I vote for rail and will prefer it if no XP battle gets ruined! ............. Yes or NO? Right or wrong? true or false? I am not the judge here! got less time now will discuss it tmmrw but what do u think? guys! dont answer like give full details guys!

+1 and will use a best situational combo - like rico and mammy for defence with inferno on , in hill - rather than having m4 firebird and viking - but generallismo thinks diff.ently so want there opinion :D

Well I suggested the 100,20,50,25 cry boxes , though my idea was a little diff. but I THINK that admins like it. 100cry is still better as u can always play this game for like 10-20 min but with increased fund u cant , bcz it no use unless u complete a fight

So I think that all of us agree to get an m3 combo , then get some good paints and then MU an m3 combo a little and then again buy an M3 right /

can u explain that more please! u said nvr go for 60k+ paints and then u said they are more expensive, but it worth it.

So confused guys! Can to tell me more Means u say that m4 better than m3 turret but a good paint can change all of it / right + it mostly depends on ur team too... SO thats what u mean/ right + Considering ur answers I think that two m3 turrets + m4 hulls + m4 paint is better than m4combo+paint right/ + if m4 rail has jst attacked then I think m3 rail should kill another hull that dont have protection. Explain me more guys , so confused! Though thankyou for that epic response

Now lets see Tmmrw I was talking to a generallismo and he said that I must foucus on getting a single M4 turret and then an M4 hull , otherwise it will suffer. My experience about this thing is that m4 combo really makes a difference. For example , If an drugging m3 thunder attack u - and u are a hornet m2 then u will survive an attack with a chance on hitting him back too but the same hornet cannot take a fire from m4 thunder , considering on paints on both sides. -- But wait a sec, Lets see the most expeensive turret which is twins costs about like 350k for getting an m3 and an extra 700-800k on m4. means that m4 weapon costs about like 1150k , It is a very big amount. On the other hand m3 twins costs like 60% cheaper !! -------------- Now lets compare a thing person A having m4 twins , m4 hornet , m3 firebird and m3 hunter - cost will be ~~ lets jst say 2000k with a bunch of paints person B having m3 thunder , m3 rail , m3 freeze , m3 mammoth , m3 hornet , m3 viking ~~~ lets say that they are of same amount as the players A Both are 4vs4 in a sandbox. person A is using m4twins,m4hunter and having an emrald paint on person B comes into a same fight and uses freeze and changes it paints to rock with gives 50% twins protection. On seeing this person A changes to firebird m4 hornet m4 with inferno. After seeing that person B changes to m3 rail which sure will give firebird a disadvantage - thinking of all other players killing each other and doing nothing of flag and pick ups. Now player B will be equal to player A or when player changes it equipments it changes to inferno only but still then player B will change to thunder m3 and will do mass dmg on alll teams of his. In my opinion result will be player B equal to player A conditions are ideal! ................................ In other words player B will be as good as player A but eq changes when u have a battle btw m4s vs m3s , still I think experience and skillz can change it. Now most imp. part If u agree still vote the pole and if u dont give reasons and all. And I mostly suggest this to higher ranker--> to ans a pole or to give reasons <-- so that all noobs like us can have a better chance of getting good in future. after seeing that i donno how to make pole so pls give ur answers like +1 or -1

I want to know whether m2 thunder is as good as smoky at last ranks , smoky is beast I think! but thunder is good too I want to know so can ayone telll me