I don't use drones for this reason, it's way too inefficient in the long run. I wish the devs would remove them because only the people who can pay for the game can use them coupled with the rest of their m4 equipment. Were those the last 600 you had?

No, because speed boost is the supply which I always have way too many of. It would be super unnecessary to buy speed boosts because you will just get a ton of them in containers and end up with thousands extra compared to DD, DA, and RK.

Yep!! Also that whole thing with the shift key and Hornet and all that... And not to mention drones and supplies... The game is obviously doing GREAT!

Yep. Yep, maybe it will be the new definition of overpowered if they ever buff it. It has gone down in the legend ranks recently due to there being much stronger turrets. Thunder isn't bad though. Especially with sledgehammer. Honestly they kinda ruined it also because of the immunities.

It's way to damn harsh to do anything to stock Railgun I think. I don't use Railgun ever, but I sure as hell can tell you that I NEVER see stock Railguns around in MM battles these days. If anything, it needs a buff. The people in charge of balancing should try to make a game which doesn't have a clear meta as much as possible...

Ya. Fire all the current devs who can't seem to fix bugs and optimize things. Fire all the people who plan the game's updates (we all know these aren't the actual devs, probably just the management does this). Then they might start making smart updates and things that actually benefit players' quality of life.

I wish they'd undo the Hull alt update. It really ruins the balance to an unparalleled degree. I don't think anyone expected this sort of stuff to be possible. The best battles these days are no supply, boxes on, overdrive off, upgrade on, alts off. Pretty much all those things mess up balance these days...

Thanks for making serious posts. I actually agree that there will be some degree of advertising coming in 2021. I think they might bring the referral system back. That's what would make sense anyway. Forgot to add the Tesla turret. I'll add your things in once the post gets the confusion reactions like I said I would. You're right Snafu. That's why this is just speculation. Still thought it might be an interesting thing to try though. Tanki is really not dying like I would have thought either. People always seem to stick with it to some degree. Why does the chat get disabled?? I just read from a very surface level google search that it costs a few thousand a year to run a server. I'm not sure how many they have, but it isn't that much if they are still making decent revenue off the remaining players. I believe Alternativa also says on their website that they have 2 million players per month, 90 employees, and 2 offices. I don't really believe this because 90 employees is a massive amount of overhead for a game that only has max 8,000 players at any time.

Until the game has nobody online and can't be played. Since it is heading in that direction it should get there eventually, the question is how fast. If you have any ideas for what devs will do in the next while, please mention them. Also everyone else please keep the photos and off topic stuff out of here. I'm actually interested in finding people who have an idea of what will happen.

Attention! Please read this WHOLE post before replying to the topic!! If you do not you will likely be a detriment to the progress of the project! Hello everyone. After watching the V-LOG today and looking at the Youtube comments, I noticed how negative people are about the future of the game. Many were predicting when it would hit 0 players and similar things. I also noticed the video had more dislikes than likes ?. I for one haven't had much fun in the game recently because great pro battles have been hard to find, and therefore it is getting a bit stale. Anyway, I am creating this thread in the interest of fun for all of us. My idea is to create a timeline that we continuously update which reflects all the different milestones in the game until it hits absolute zero. I thought it'd be fun if we were able to accurately predict what would happen. The V-LOG: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUoHatThDWM _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Posting Guidelines: PLEASE keep the thread strictly on topic. I don't want the replies to get cluttered if this project works well because then it will be difficult to go through and add things to the timeline. I am attempting to create a universal timeline which everyone can generally agree on. Although you should be sharing your personal opinion, don't share something that is a very fringe idea, or if you do, make sure to justify your points with evidence and logic so that others will agree and then I will add it. Try and be as realistic and accurate as you can. We will want the timeline to correctly predict things. There is no fun here unless we become good at predicting what will happen. Don't make multiple posts at once. Try to keep all thoughts in one text wall. It will make it easier to parse. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Event Addition System For the sake of organization and efficiency when adding events to the timeline, I thought we should use this system to determine when to add events. Do NOT use reactions on this thread UNLESS you want something to be added to the timeline. I will add events to the timeline when we have either 10 or more reactions on one post or have reactions from more than 50% of the respondents in the thread. Use the CONFUSED reaction for something that you want to be added. This should cut down on people coming in and giving something support by accident because they didn't read the guide. Event Removal System To petition for the removal of an event, first state that you are trying to do this in your post. Quote the event from the timeline you want removed. Add justification and reasoning so that your post will get traction. Follow similar rules for reacting as with adding an event. The only difference is that you should react with a HAHA reaction this time. That way we'll be able to differentiate between removals and additions, and will be able to cut down on accidental reactions. If anyone has suggestions for changes to these rules please PM me. Like I said above I am trying to keep the thread uncluttered. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ I will put the official timeline here: September 2020: Player numbers are consistently at ~8500 or less. In the following weeks the developers will continue to remove features from the Flash version in order to try and push players to Html5. Tanker's day sale. October 2020: Halloween sale. The teased Freeze balance may happen at this point. IF a Hornet overdrive nerf takes place then I believe this will also be done at the same time. November 2020: Flash is discontinued (I believe this is the correct date, tell me if it is wrong). Player numbers will drop to ~5000 or fewer. Black Friday sale. December 2020: Christmas sale. War or similar event. January 2021: February 2021: IOS version of TO mobile will be released in some capacity. Maybe just in beta. Advertised heavily as the game will likely need players badly. Alternativa may also try and advertise their soon to be released game "King Hardcore" (check Alternativa's website) at this point. March 2021:

I'd say it's VERY effective. If I use it with Defender and hornet (gs of about 8800), I am unstoppable and can wipe out about 7 players before dying with full supplies and OD. At max it does like 1050 DPS, and that is without DD. All said and done, you can comfortably kill 5 heavy hulls with OD and DD. NOT less effective. I do concede that a fair amount of this is due to the fact that drones and Hornet OD are broken and cause most of the problems in the game currently.

I wouldn't go past 40% with protections given that the first five steps are monumentally cheaper than the rest. I'd just get more modules. Rico is very good. I have it at either 16 or 17. I would recommend. Don't do Freeze, long ago the devs ruined it with a update that removed most of its freezing power. I'd wait until it gets buffed (which they claimed weeks ago would happen) and then buy it based on its strength. You will want a quality of life turret, and right now the poor freeze isn't in the position to do so. I miss it being balanced. I would say from best to worst choice: Gauss Vulcan Rico Hammer Smoky Freeze If you upgrade the top two you are largely jumping on the bandwagon of those who only choose equipment because it is OP though. Personally I have rico hammer and smoky, and rico is probably the most versatjle without alts.

I saw something like this except it may have been with a hornet gauss. I was glad to see it. Normally I won't play tdm unless I am willing to use my supplies on holding a good K/D. I don't often use a super strong combo (it is upgraded just not meta), so that sometimes hurts my cause. For example, stock smoky has a lot of battles where it either does extremely well or horrible with hornet. Generally bad in tdm. Great in cp. Hammer is best suited imo for tdm because of hornet's speed and od. Mine is also essentially max (mk7-17). With slugger it gets consistent numbers, so consistent kills and doesn't leave you reloading to get killed by an enemy you couldn't hit. Slugger is a direct upgrade essentially.

My whole point was that it isn't meant to be nerfed. I think TO devs aren't actually attempting to balance anymore and are dedicated to using their knowledge to milk buyers for money. We're the idiots for playing still, buyers are the bigger idiots for wasting their paper this way. I'd like the game to get smaller so it'd stop. If it gets small enough they'll practically be unable to keep the lights on. Best case scenario is probably another company buying it and placing it under their management. If TO essentially wasn't profitable they may turn around and dump the game on another company. Idk. It might just die all together. ~30k players aren't much to speak of.

I understand. Also wouldn't say it is offensive... Not sure why it would be. If you have a terrible kd but spent the whole battle trying to cap the flag and finally are able to so your team wins, you are much more valuable than a mag camper who gets 250 pts hiding by the flag and shooting into the enemy base. That is more what I concern myself with. Maybe that battle I choose not to drug. That will hurt my score, but it's to be expected. Just cause you aren't going all out doesn't mean you aren't trying a little more than I might be to get a high score.

Well if our bad devs hadn't removed kits from the garage this would be a normal occasion. I believe the healer kit is about 333k or something. The Mk update was horrible because they pretended as if the old prices just didn't exist and wrote over new higher ones. I've been fortunate in that the only item I've purchased since the update was Smoky on a 50% sale. Lucky enough to have been high ranking for so long there isn't much of a difference after any update for me. Since in this game updates make it harder to play, you essentially need wealth to shield yourself.

No. Not when you exponentially increase the numbers past what is reasonable. You could make some impossible to reach ranks with the help of math. Just make the ranks stretch out to 100,000,000 xp. I'll use someone who is a serious grinder as an example (might be able to guess who it is, mentioned him earlier). At an insane 5718 exp per hour, he would reach this new max rank in 17487 hours, or 1.9962 FULL YEARS of playing. Since I don't think you can be much more efficient than that or play anywhere near that much, I will say that is a reasonable limit. I've gotten extremely mad at him before in another thread concerning his choice of equipment and complaints about RFM's short period of brokenness compared to the months long reign of Vulcan/Gauss/Magnum. Not needed when you can simply say Legend 1-20 will be together, 20-50, and 50-100. If there aren't enough players of each category online (doubt many 50-100 exist) it will kick down to placing people in the lower bracket. MM should be probably be scrapped though what am I talking about... That has nothing to do with ranks. People play games whether or not ranks exist because its fun. The fun is going out of tanki because the balance has left long ago. If they can balance more, then players will have a more equal opportunity to succeed and enjoy the game without grinding for a million years and paying for things that likely won't be obtainable even if you put thousands of hours into the game. RNG can be a b*tch. You need to start giving people your definition of beat up. I wouldn't consider the same thing beat up. I can maintain a k/d of 1 and still be the bottom player in my team most likely, that I wouldn't consider beat up. When I can get a score of more than about 120, I am fine. I've seen your screenshots and I see you seem to like trying to push +300 pts each game. I don't, and I use 8.5k-8.9k combos without drones. I don't have emp gauss either, and infrequently use incendiary mix or sledgehammer (which require drugs I'd say). I still do what I'd call "good". Or... Balance the game! If Defenders and Boosters weren't brokenly strong and didn't require money to fuel because batteries are hard to come by the game might be more balanced. I'd love if they would even remove drones. It really seems as if some updates these days are just Trojan horses directed at appeasing buyers. Hull alts, EMP gauss, drones, alteration price hikes, and even Siege mode seem to fall into this category. Siege mode because it was released in close proximity to Gauss, and they go so well together it almost seems manufactured. EMP gauss seems to be the most powerful turret of all time, and Siege only makes it stronger. Also, skins. If you look at the skin chart (this may just be me) it appears that the turrets and hulls that are strongest/meta even have more skins released. This can essentially only be aimed at buyers. I think it shows that the devs know exactly what they are doing and are just using their players as tools. Gauss has been out for such a short period of time relative to everything else and yet has more skins (3) than 10 other turrets. Only (SURPRISE!) Railgun, Thunder, and Vulcan have equal or more skins. All are also highly overpowered.

It would be WAY to pointless when you realize that some players are like Legend 100. Unless you make the ranks spaced by about 1 million exp or more, you aren't consolidating much. I thought the ranks increased exponentially at first, but now I see they actually increase by about 7k between each at the higher end. I think if they added 10 more ranks it could work. Just follow an equation like 200,000*2^X and x is the number of ranks to generate. Use a lower base than 2 so that we don't get crazy high ranks that are unachievable. Not even ALEX22THEBEST could get there... I would personally use the equation 200,000 * 1.40^(X) Gismo to Legend is still 200,000 so X=0 First ten ranks afterwards are: 280,000 392,000 548,800 768,320 ~1,076,000 ~1,506,000 ~2,108,000 ~2,952,000 ~4,132,000 ~5,785,000 By the way that comes out to about 20,000,000 xp total, still allowing some players to be max rank most likely. ALEX22THEBEST is at 26 mil. Ten ranks is a lot though, and I think the system we have is super clean and wouldn't change it. The problem is these last few ranks wouldn't be useful even. They wouldn't dictate equipment at all, making them unnecessary for sure. You can just look at somebody's profile if you care about rank.

How've you been able to get so many drugs on a low-ish rank account? I am only at 3.4k repairs, 13k DA/DD, and about 18k SB/Mines. I had to grind for years though and that was when the weekly mission chains were more lucrative. You too? Good illustrative concept by the way. I like the overdrive tests.

Seems permanent. It's been happening for around a week at least for me. I say html5 because I only play html5 so I cannot attest to flash's lack of bugginess. Doubt flash has a problem regardless. P.S. Check the patch notes. When it isn't there, it isn't an update. They seem to leave a note for even the most inane tweaks to the game. There would be one for this bug if it was a feature.

No, I said efficiency. Doesn't matter how many players use it when we are looking at efficiency. Good job with your Wasp. I have read probably the whole wiki by now. They both have 2,000 HP and Wasp has .5 speed units more. Hornet is more stable, Wasp turns way better. The massive efficiency difference is probably because of Hornet OD...

I am citing DaringDeer's stats for this, E_polypterus. According to the stats the hulls are SO unbalanced that Wasp's efficiency vs Hornet's is 2.5 times less. It seems to have been hit far harder than most things. I use it mainly on my WO5 acc with only Smoky, and it works well there (it is overleveled though at Mk5-10). I wish you luck making it work out well. Hopefully they will fix the game sometime in the near future.

That's super impressive that you got 4 million on it. When I was using Ares on the test server, I thought Vulcan (with the fast turning alt) went well with it. At least, better than most other hulls. That's because at close range you seem to be able to somewhat sweep the target. You may know better than me (I'm largely not a Vulcan player), but it seems OK in relativity to other equipment. I think Ares is really mostly appealing to mobile players. I don't think it beats much for normal computer gameplay. Maybe Wasp, but that's just because Wasp on its own has too little health because of drones and supplies. Wasp still works well at low ranks though...

Thanks. I was too lazy.

Tanker's Day is the event coming up. Viking4s things that it'll be coming on about September 14th I believe. There is a thread about all the upcoming events and discounts. Use the searchbar. I haven't had great results with it, so sometimes I'll use google and then put in a bunch of keywords when I can't remember the exact name of the thread.