Let's Discuss Firebird!

[not.a.cat 21]

I actually think the biggest cause of Firebird being so OP is this one thing: 

 

Double Damage boosts Firebird's heating rate. Double Armor does not counter that. 

 

So Firebird is the only case where you cannot fully counter a Double Damage with a Double Armor. 

 

The other cause is that it heats up too fast in general. 

Edited December 2, 2018 by not.a.cat

[not.a.cat 21]

But RK nullifies it once the Firebird is dead, no?

I don't think it cools you down anymore, so you'll just keep burning after you repair. There's been times when I've killed a Firebird after it burned me to max, slapped on an RK, healed to full, and then got lowered to half-health again by the remaining burn damage FeelsBadMan

Edited December 2, 2018 by not.a.cat

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

But RK nullifies it once the Firebird is dead, no?

True but how often does a thunder, railgun, shaft, smoky, striker, Vulcan, magnum, twins, ricochet, hammer, isida, and even freeze survive a firebird ambush and ends up killing the firebird?

 

In my experiences, not very often.

[wolverine848 13,097]

True but how often does a thunder, railgun, shaft, smoky, striker, Vulcan, magnum, twins, ricochet, hammer, isida, and even freeze survive a firebird ambush and ends up killing the firebird?

 

In my experiences, not very often.

Isida sometimes.  They are the only turret with enough DPS to get that last fatal blow in.

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

Isida sometimes.  They are the only turret with enough DPS to get that last fatal blow in.

But if firebird has the burn in the isida long enough, then the isida is dead anyway, even if it kills the firebird.

[ghost-guns 1,486]

To quote an old adage... "If you can't beat them, join them"...

 

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

To quote an old adage... "If you can't beat them, join them"...

 

*Angry face x100,000,000*

[u812ic 1,629]

My FB is M2.6. I was considering getting an alt, but undecided which one. 

 

Compact Fuel Tanks

 

---increase burning

---higher temp

---? does this affect the reload time?

 

High Pressure Pump

 

---longer range

---max hit distance increased

---? How much further? Is it significant enough for the cost?

 

​Incendiary Mix

 

---termite mixture burns through tank

---increased damage

---no heating effect

---? Which has the quickest kill termites or afterburn?

Edited December 3, 2018 by u812ic

[enri_chill 265]

To quote an old adage... "If you can't beat them, join them"...

 

Great minds think alike:) 

Edited December 3, 2018 by enri_chill

[enri_chill 265]

My FB is M2.6. I was considering getting an alt, but undecided which one. 

 

Compact Fuel Tanks

 

---increase burning

---higher temp

---? does this affect the reload time?

 

High Pressure Pump

 

---longer range

---max hit distance increased

---? How much further? Is it significant enough for the cost?

 

​Incendiary Mix

 

---termite mixture burns through tank

---increased damage

---no heating effect

---? Which has the quickest kill termites or afterburn?

I have all but the incendiary mix. Have been using the compact tanks right now. Seems to cook the enemy quickly. Your time to burn them is about half of normal so I usually hit them and move on...let the afterburn eat away at their health. I didn't like the longer (but narrow) area of damage on the high pressure pump. 

 

I'd love to hear about the Incendiary Mix...I already had the other alts...wanted to get it to m4 before any other alts. Today I hit m4 :ph34r: ...watch out shafts

[caiosilvac 567]

My FB is M2.6. I was considering getting an alt, but undecided which one. 

 

Compact Fuel Tanks

 

---increase burning

---higher temp

---? does this affect the reload time?

 

Reload time (for Firebird) is the same across all modifications, it can't be altered.

 

High Pressure Pump

 

---longer range

---max hit distance increased

---? How much further? Is it significant enough for the cost?

 

A friend of mine tested this alteration out and told me it's very difficult to multi-kill with it, since radius is drastically decreased. Increased range doesnt make up for it. He told me not to buy it.

 

​Incendiary Mix

 

---termite mixture burns through tank

---increased damage

---no heating effect

---? Which has the quickest kill termites or afterburn?

 

Afterburn is efficient but very slow (I own Compact Tanks myself)  I've faced incendiary mix many times, it killed me faster than I could react, and it seems great at disrupting repair kits as well, it's the strongest Firebird alteration in my experience.

[wolverine848 13,097]

 

 

 

 

​Incendiary Mix

 

---termite mixture burns through tank

---increased damage

---no heating effect

---? Which has the quickest kill termites or afterburn?

 

Afterburn is efficient but very slow (I own Compact Tanks myself)  I've faced incendiary mix many times, it killed me faster than I could react, and it seems great at disrupting repair kits as well, it's the strongest Firebird alteration in my experience.

So let me get this straight...

 

Incendiary mix gives firebird better DPS than Isida, an because of less energy consumption it can fire for longer.

 

Better DPS

More Total damage       :o

 

Are the Devs nuts?  There is really no downside to taking Incendiary mix overall.

[Rai27_unbeatable 0]

PLS moderators take off the burning effect, i have a m2 hornet and usually my m2 railgun, but the problem is that with a fire bird, they can kill me (extended burning) with only a blast on the fire for (i recorded it) .6 seconds, and i will eventually die. That is a M2 firebird. This needs to be changed fire bird is way too powerful

 

Try facing somebody with firebird without using firebird and see how well you fare.

 

In the high ranks it's not as bad, but in lower ranks it's like a one man wrecking crew.

So true man, im in the m2 but it takes literally nothing too kill me when those noobs use that firebird

 

 

I have it M3 and it wrecks havoc literally I suggest this weapon to anyone who has the rank. :fire_r:

PLS cahnge this gun, its way too powerful

Edited December 5, 2018 by lukey0
In the future please use the 'Edit' button instead of multi-posting

[caiosilvac 567]

So let me get this straight...

 

Incendiary mix gives firebird better DPS than Isida, an because of less energy consumption it can fire for longer.

 

Better DPS

More Total damage       :o

 

Are the Devs nuts?  There is really no downside to taking Incendiary mix overall.

I don't have it myself, but from what I observed there really is no downside to it. There is no way to defeat it either.

 

They say alterations aren't supposed to improve turrets directly, well, Firebird is an exception.

 

We'll never see a balanced Tanki, devs don't want that to happen.

[Truthteller 4,204]

Well isida does have the ability to heal too

[Benefactor 6,888]

PLS moderators take off the burning effect, i have a m2 hornet and usually my m2 railgun, but the problem is that with a fire bird, they can kill me (extended burning) with only a blast on the fire for (i recorded it) .6 seconds, and i will eventually die. That is a M2 firebird. This needs to be changed fire bird is way too powerful

 

So true man, im in the m2 but it takes literally nothing too kill me when those noobs use that firebird

 

 

PLS cahnge this gun, its way too powerful

 

And in a medium/large open map with many areas that have a straight line-of-sight, who has the advantage?

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

So let me get this straight...

 

Incendiary mix gives firebird better DPS than Isida, an because of less energy consumption it can fire for longer.

 

Better DPS

More Total damage       :o

 

Are the Devs nuts?  There is really no downside to taking Incendiary mix overall.

  

I don't have it myself, but from what I observed there really is no downside to it. There is no way to defeat it either.

 

They say alterations aren't supposed to improve turrets directly, well, Firebird is an exception.

 

We'll never see a balanced Tanki, devs don't want that to happen.

This is the result of the devs playing the favouritism game.

[wolverine848 13,097]

Well isida does have the ability to heal too

Doesn't help in DM.

 

And doesn't help when you are on a bad team.

 

Every turret should have a chance against every other turret.  Isida can not beat Firebird 1 vs 1 when Firebird uses the alt.

[ZeusBoomBoom 19]

My FB is M2.6. I was considering getting an alt, but undecided which one. 

 

Compact Fuel Tanks

 

---increase burning

---higher temp

---? does this affect the reload time?

 

High Pressure Pump

 

---longer range

---max hit distance increased

---? How much further? Is it significant enough for the cost?

 

​Incendiary Mix

 

---termite mixture burns through tank

---increased damage

---no heating effect

---? Which has the quickest kill termites or afterburn?

Compact Fuel Tanks should be your first option. You have it all...great damage, afterburn, excellent. You may not get as many kills as Incendiary Mix, but you get the most damage which helps your team to win. No wonder Incendiary Rounds from Smoky and Incendiary Band from Vulcan are so popular...it's the afterburn excellent damage.

Edited December 6, 2018 by ZeusBoomBoom

[ZeusBoomBoom 19]

 

Every turret should have a chance against every other turret.  Isida can not beat Firebird 1 vs 1 when Firebird uses the alt.

Lol, why? You are supposed to win battles, not to defeat someone's turret. The turret is a tool, and all tools have to be used accordingly in order to succeed. It's like saying...an apple should taste better than a pear, or a cherry should taste the same like an apricot. Kinda stupid, don't you think? Use the right tool at the right time in order to win. That should be your strategy.

Edited December 6, 2018 by ZeusBoomBoom

[wolverine848 13,097]

Lol, why? You are supposed to win battles, not to defeat someone's turret. The turret is a tool, and all tools have to be used accordingly in order to succeed. It's like saying...an apple should taste better than a pear, or a cherry should taste the same like an apricot. Kinda stupid, don't you think? Use the right tool at the right time in order to win. That should be your strategy.

Since there is a DM mode (attack) and missions that require kills, you need to look at the micro view as well as the macro view.

 

This is not a role-playing game. If someone chooses Isida as their first turret of next m-level, they have the expectation it will compete with other turrets.  If Isida has no chance against firebird (both are knife-fighters) the system is broken.

 

Before the alteration was introduced it was a pretty even battle, though many consider Firebird OP.

After introduction of alt, Isida stands no chance against firebird.  Alts are not supposed to improve a turret. They are supposed to change it's gameplay.  Adding increased DPS AND longer attack time is a mistake.

 

That would be like increasing Isida DPS & energy pool while lowering it's healing abilities. 

That will never happen.  Why?  because it is OP.

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

Since there is a DM mode (attack) and missions that require kills, you need to look at the micro view as well as the macro view.

 

This is not a role-playing game. If someone chooses Isida as their first turret of next m-level, they have the expectation it will compete with other turrets.  If Isida has no chance against firebird (both are knife-fighters) the system is broken.

 

Before the alteration was introduced it was a pretty even battle, though many consider Firebird OP.

After introduction of alt, Isida stands no chance against firebird.  Alts are not supposed to improve a turret. They are supposed to change it's gameplay.  Adding increased DPS AND longer attack time is a mistake.

 

That would be like increasing Isida DPS & energy pool while lowering it's healing abilities. 

That will never happen.  Why?  because it is OP.

Again, this is why hazels new favorite toy is firebird.

[Benefactor 6,888]

Again, this is why hazels new favorite toy is firebird.

I thought Magnum was his favorite? Stock Magnum never got any kind of nerf.

[wolverine848 13,097]

Again, this is why hazels new favorite toy is firebird.

 

Both seem to be Favs of Hazel's. 

 

Have you see the Mortar alteration in action?  Absolutely brutal.  Must be Devs method to get more players to invest in spider-modules.

 

I thought Magnum was his favorite? Stock Magnum never got any kind of nerf.

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

I thought Magnum was his favorite? Stock Magnum never got any kind of nerf.

Well, in hazels opinion, it was nerfed. But we know that it wasn't really.

 

Both seem to be Favs of Hazel's.

 

Have you see the Mortar alteration in action? Absolutely brutal. Must be Devs method to get more players to invest in spider-modules.

I have seen it used in battle, there's no downside to it. It's like an improved version of magnum. Edited December 6, 2018 by DieselPlatinum