Let's Discuss Shaft!

[trombone_ftw 734]

Camping shafts are still a major issue on large maps. There needs to be a feature that actually, physically limits camping. And in return for that, take away the laser. :)

[BrittanySpears 2]

This is the real problem here.  You'll accept anything that is fed you.  "We're gonna screw with what you relied upon to be successful, here, relearn this,that, the other."  Sheeple is what folks like you are.  "I'm gonna learn how to use the mouse . . . "  Ever occur to you that maybe just because something is new doesn't make it better?  Most of the crap you buy in stores nowadays is not better than the old stuff, it's in fact WORSE, but NEW.  This is now come full circle to computing, CONSUMER COMPUTING!  We tell you what you'll buy and by gosh you'll be happy with it.  Sick of watching videos with smug faced developers in them saying how great all this is and how WE'LL be so happy with it.  I recall the excuse for mouse controls were the lame idiots who tried tanki and couldn't be bothered to read why the mouse wasn't turning the turret?  Serious?  And you want to encourage these morons to play?  Yes, this is a great idea, LETS ENCOURAGE the LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR of society to fill our ranks and play along side us, this will make for a far better and more interesting and engaging game play.  It's absolutely ridiculous that if someone can't fugure out how to use 7 buttons on a keyboard an entire development teams sets out to redesign a product, and in the process affect it's original functionality negatively (shafts) just for IDIOTS WHO CAN'T USE A KEYBOARD.

 

As always, the REAL shaft players, the thinkers, the non-drugging, non button mashing crowd will "just" complain about the state of affairs with the upgrade while you "get used to the mouse controls", who knows, maybe you can learn to use the mouse with the left hand so the other is free while you watch the weekly V-Blog too.

 

So disgusted with all this.

Edited April 22, 2015 by BrittanySpears

[Loackie 269]

This is the real problem here.  You'll accept anything that is fed you.  "We're gonna screw with what you relied upon to be successful, here, relearn this,that, the other."  Sheeple is what folks like you are.  "I'm gonna learn how to use the mouse . . . "  Ever occur to you that maybe just because something is new doesn't make it better?  Most of the crap you buy in stores nowadays is not better than the old stuff, it's in fact WORSE, but NEW.  This is now come full circle to computing, CONSUMER COMPUTING!  We tell you what you'll buy and by gosh you'll be happy with it.  Sick of watching videos with smug faced developers in them saying how great all this is and how WE'LL be so happy with it.  I recall the excuse for mouse controls were the lame idiots who tried tanki and couldn't be bothered to read why the mouse wasn't turning the turret?  Serious?  And you want to encourage these morons to play?  Yes, this is a great idea, LETS ENCOURAGE the LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR of society to fill our ranks and play along side us, this will make for a far better and more interesting and engaging game play.  It's absolutely ridiculous that if someone can't fugure out how to use 7 buttons on a keyboard an entire development teams sets out to redesign a product, and in the process affect it's original functionality negatively (shafts) just for IDIOTS WHO CAN'T USE A KEYBOARD.

 

As always, the REAL shaft players, the thinkers, the non-drugging, non button mashing crowd will "just" complain about the state of affairs with the upgrade while you "get used to the mouse controls", who knows, maybe you can learn to use the mouse with the left hand so the other is free while you watch the weekly V-Blog too.

 

So disgusted with all this.

The problem is that you can't do much about it. I want my stupidly long range for Smoky and Hammer back, but I have to get used to i, as it's not something that me or the community can deal with in a sophisticated manner. Also, so many forum newcomers sound like campers when they want it fixed l0l

[kayitsiz 621]

The problem is that you can't do much about it. I want my stupidly long range for Smoky and Hammer back, but I have to get used to i, as it's not something that me or the community can deal with in a sophisticated manner. Also, so many forum newcomers sound like campers when they want it fixed l0l

None of you faced this disgusting situation as much as we did.

Camping is a kind of playing style, and adds this game lots of benefition.

Camping shafts are still a major issue on large maps. There needs to be a feature that actually, physically limits camping. And in return for that, take away the laser. :)

 

Camping is a great thing! How a planet can't be without gravity(physical rules), this game can't be without camp.

[Kid95 67]

Camping is pretty stupid in a way. Many players, even some at our ranks, still noobishly stick in the same spot thinking they will get away with what they do. I faced a camper at Rio who was using foliage to mask himself. Good thinking but he kept using the same spot and he got predictable enough to be shot by me most of the time since I could tell where he was.

 

Camping isn't wrong, but players have to know how and when to do so. Big, medium or small, a sniper has to know how to manipulate the maps accordingly. It's okay to stay in the same region of the map specially if you're defending or covering your team, but not constantly in the exact same spot and just shifting your tank back and forth, which is boring for anyone except little kids and has more chances of getting you killed (note that by region I'm saying that there are more sniping spots than just one within a particular area and that goes for nearly all maps).

 

Was playing on the Highways map today on a lower ranked account and was facing lots of Mammoth Shafters. I'm guessing these people take advantage of Mammoth M1's low price just to snipe their way around and do nothing else. One of them was lucky he was using a Mammoth or I wouldn't have spared him from getting the highest score out there. He probably would've had a much lower score if he had a lighter hull because of the way I was harassing him :P

[Kid95 67]

Oh yeah, and I can no longer look at the scoreboard while I'm in sniping mode, which just plain stinks. It's been a habit doing that and many times I've mistakenly fired and wasted my shots.

[Hayagriva 107]

Shaft is back????

Whats Your exp?

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

 

This is the real problem here.  You'll accept anything that is fed you.  "We're gonna screw with what you relied upon to be successful, here, relearn this,that, the other."  Sheeple is what folks like you are.  "I'm gonna learn how to use the mouse . . . "  Ever occur to you that maybe just because something is new doesn't make it better?  Most of the crap you buy in stores nowadays is not better than the old stuff, it's in fact WORSE, but NEW.  This is now come full circle to computing, CONSUMER COMPUTING!  We tell you what you'll buy and by gosh you'll be happy with it.  Sick of watching videos with smug faced developers in them saying how great all this is and how WE'LL be so happy with it.  I recall the excuse for mouse controls were the lame idiots who tried tanki and couldn't be bothered to read why the mouse wasn't turning the turret?  Serious?  And you want to encourage these morons to play?  Yes, this is a great idea, LETS ENCOURAGE the LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR of society to fill our ranks and play along side us, this will make for a far better and more interesting and engaging game play.  It's absolutely ridiculous that if someone can't fugure out how to use 7 buttons on a keyboard an entire development teams sets out to redesign a product, and in the process affect it's original functionality negatively (shafts) just for IDIOTS WHO CAN'T USE A KEYBOARD.

 

As always, the REAL shaft players, the thinkers, the non-drugging, non button mashing crowd will "just" complain about the state of affairs with the upgrade while you "get used to the mouse controls", who knows, maybe you can learn to use the mouse with the left hand so the other is free while you watch the weekly V-Blog too.

 

So disgusted with all this.

 

While your name is decidely on par with the response you gave, I can't help but wonder if maybe there was at least a sentence there or something that was trying to make it's way to the surface.

 

Please, do tell, or was this like a reblog on pintrest, you "like" the post as it were?

 

Sorry if I'm the most sarcastic SOB in the bunch, it's my way.

 

(and for the record, HOW ON EARTH DO YOU EDIT a blank response???)

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

The problem is that you can't do much about it. I want my stupidly long range for Smoky and Hammer back, but I have to get used to i, as it's not something that me or the community can deal with in a sophisticated manner. Also, so many forum newcomers sound like campers when they want it fixed l0l

True enough I suppose, shafters cries are usually upon deaf ears, no doubt.  As for Smokey's long range, last I recall they can shoot as far as they want I thought, just less damage was my understanding.  As for Hammer, well, that shotgun was a little ridiculous in terms of range, especially considering the cone, but even that, never heard me complain.  IF I "just" complain, it's about the fact that my tank starts turning it's turret when I don't want it to, or in sniping mode it noses straight down, the little things, like BASIC FUNCTIONALITY, are my only gripes.  I hate the stupid laser , I really do, I said my piece on it, that was it.  No one listened, or didn't care, the change was made, we have an anti-camping dev team that I'm sure would love to nerf shafts entirely, so I don't bother with that, but being able to use my tank as it was designed would be a reasonable request.

 

Regardless, how have you been Loackie?  You see my reply about maps?  Tell me, what are your favorites and highest scoring maps?

 

Oh, also, I have this for you . . .

 

 

 

 

The Semi Regular Milkshake Remix (she likes the big shafts playlist) . . .

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seb3ljlSxZ4

 

Don't lie, you love it

 

 

 

Edited April 22, 2015 by FogOfWar_XXX

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

I wish we could add images to our tanks, a custom thing, like tankers and pilots would do, addings a sharks mouth or a pin up model to our tank.

 

I would so put this on my tanks left rear panel, just foprward of the bumper, or right down the center front of my tank.

 

 

 

 

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/3HtNQ7ZjwfA/hqdefault.jpg

 

 

 

 

Though I guess this would be much better, more in form . . .

 

 

 

 

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-WxXxmnr09A0/TqNFEh9sG2I/AAAAAAAAZ2k/XrdUAWMjkGo/s1600/Christina_Aguilera-Candyman_%2528CD_Single%2529-Frontal.jpg

 

 

 

 

I wonder if that would be doable, FOR CRYSTALS, I'm sure, but that would be very cool to be able to add pin-ups to your tanks.  You could even add some text like "Shafts do it longer" or something.  Anyways, not really shaft related no I'll stop here.

[Hayagriva 107]

jo man but what about shaft funcionality

[kayitsiz 621]

jo man but what about shaft funcionality

still buggy...

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

still buggy...

Agreed, it won't nose down on me anymore, but fast aiming once in full scope is not working.  I have to wait till it's fully done scoping before I can start to aim it seems, especially when aiming up.  Still get the spin lock too sometimes.  Anyone have other issues?

[BrittanySpears 2]

Agreed, it won't nose down on me anymore, but fast aiming once in full scope is not working.  I have to wait till it's fully done scoping before I can start to aim it seems, especially when aiming up.  Still get the spin lock too sometimes.  Anyone have other issues?

Why go through all that hyperbole if, in the end, you are experiencing exactly the same problems as the rest of us? Who are you calling idiots anyway? I thought Tankers can help each other work through such problems as this but supporting each other. Not in your case I guess. Yes, and sarcasm is the least intelligent mode of argumentation not that you were aware so I'll let you off this time. 

 

Back on topic. Shaft is screwed and I'd like to be re-embursed the crystals I spent on purchasing and micro-upgrading this weapon unaware that Tanki would wreck it. 

[BrittanySpears 2]

Agreed, it won't nose down on me anymore, but fast aiming once in full scope is not working.  I have to wait till it's fully done scoping before I can start to aim it seems, especially when aiming up.  Still get the spin lock too sometimes.  Anyone have other issues?

FogOfWar is a really apt name for you because you don't seem to see the screwed up condition Shaft is currently in at all clearly. 

Edited April 23, 2015 by BrittanySpears

[Hayagriva 107]

still buggy...

I have more easier possibilities to AIM, before it even aiming wasn't possible.

And from time to time tanks was destroyed.

In past it shot few meter ner the target...

[Kid95 67]

So.................

1 - The agility of the turret is lost

2 - The ability to look at the scoreboard while in sniping mode is gone as well 

3 - The turret keeps rotating occasionally (sometimes a lot)

 

Anything more to add?

[dfoofnik 341]

My M3 sniping is now 223, and the arcade is just raised a bit to 39-53. I suspect they may double those numbers to 78-106, about half of the sniping value. It makes sense that it takes about half as long to fire arcade as to fire sniping.

Okay, according to the spreadsheet, the M3 in arcade went from 46-64 to 67-79 so they went up 47%-23% which is pretty tame stuff when talking about 446 as the upper damage threshold...lucky to do that. They make every little tweak sound like something that will influence choice of turrets, when in actuality it will affect the game less than 10% overall.

Making Firebird more powerful was totally unnecessary, as it only helps the low mods a little and drastically OPs the higher mods.

Maybe they are trying to increase its use in a "survive the long range travel" scenario.

We need to lower Smoky's impact for such a low-caliber weapon...they have made it so you can't aim at it unless you have a huge hull.

Edited April 23, 2015 by dfoofnik

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

Why go through all that hyperbole if, in the end, you are experiencing exactly the same problems as the rest of us? Who are you calling idiots anyway? I thought Tankers can help each other work through such problems as this but supporting each other. Not in your case I guess. Yes, and sarcasm is the least intelligent mode of argumentation not that you were aware so I'll let you off this time. 

 

Back on topic. Shaft is screwed and I'd like to be re-embursed the crystals I spent on purchasing and micro-upgrading this weapon unaware that Tanki would wreck it. 

Oh my dear, dear, dear Brittany, where to begin?

 

First off, careful who you pick an intellectual fight with, sometimes people with brains DO MAKE THE TIME to waste on folks simply because they are capable of it.  I shall spare you this, not because I am a contemptous and pompous prick (yeah yeah, others get to be the judge of that, but I'm always right, so, I'm, like, yeah, anyways), but because if you play shaft, I like you.

 

Truth be told dear, the honest to God truth, is that I'm on the side of shafters everywhere.  I tire of the constant and unending blather from e-sport "soccer" players that want "goals" scored, and not have to really think and fight in a game of armored combat.  Shafts are the one, and ONLY tank in the game, that can change the entire dynamic of a played round.  As one person once here said it, "we suck the air out of the battlefield".  We are the insidious, the careful, the measured, the calculated, the cruel, the even sometimes petty, that ruin the hard won efforts of brutish morons that want to simply hard charge into situations and just start shooting.  Bless the fools, they are who they are, and we are who we are, I get it.  The point is, you posted a blank reply, I had some fun with it and your name, you got pissed.  I apologize if you we really angry about it, but IT WAS funny.  Anyways, as you said, back on topic dear, shall we?

 

Not sure where this is coming from, this has been happening since laser.  I've been very vocal about it.  Here is the reality of the matter.  First things first, for WHATEVER reason, Tanki, the developers, the staff, have shown an aversion to this weapon platform for sometime now.  Now if this was simpy a matter of money, maybe, BUT I DOUBT IT.  The fact that camping has been SO MALIGNED is proof that it's not a consumer base that is pressuring them to change things so those who spend money will be appeased alone.  Make no mistake, it surely weighs in greatly, but when you have a dream, an idea, and you create it, the only success to be had is to stick with what you're good at.  They were. at one time. of a certain mind and the Shaft was part of that vision, and I think there was a swing in the staff, new people in, old out, or a change of heart entirely, and now the inside of the game, the makers, are no longer in line with the concept of this platform BECAUSE of the gameplay.  Now we can speculate ALL WE WANT as the why.  Is it a penchant to become a viable StarLadder product, forward thinking professional gaming franchises, with endorements, branding rights for marketing, etc?  Maybe the demographic that spends more are the less thinking, more sports based type crowd, brawlers?  Some head dev got his butt handed to him by a shaft one day and he is traumatized and decided that it's his mission to nerf this thing?  Like I said, we'll never know.  The official claim is that no laser meant too overpowered and "boring", as campers are "no fun".  Players couldn't run a train of the flag constantly, for fear of getting single shot popped by a tank (imagine that??? right??? yeah, don't get me started).  This I think falls squarely at the feet of the other problem in Tanki, drugs.  When people couldn't win, well just juice up and go.  One thing, a SHAFT WITHOUT DRUGS at a distance will still ruin you damn day.  No single pop, but who cares, so softened up that the trip back with the flag was still a maybe, as the shaft might land three shots on them during ingress and egress, plus interceptors giving case.  "MOMMY!  WHAAAAAAAAAAAN, I can't get the flag to our base, MAKE IT STOP!  IT'S NOT FAIR!  I HATE, I HATE, I HATE, HATE, HATE THOSE TOOTIE PANTS SHAFTS!"  I need not elaborate on what that means, point is, the analogy stands on it's own two feet.  Low scoring game for the Morons United (soccor analogy), bummer, it's about skill, not just going really fast, that's how I saw it.  It's combat, you don't get to be stupid and live.  It's combat, there are losers, not winners, not body really wins a fight, one person loses more is all.  Winner is the title you get for losing less, fine, all good, but apparentl;y not good enough for others.  So now we havea situation where Tanki created Frankenstien, hates their creation, and the local farmers are all out with pitch forks hating Frankeistien too.  Problem is once the cat is out of the bag, it is out.  That said, doeesn't mean they won't try to crush it till others give up on it, and then they can find a reason to yank it.

 

Lets get real, Vulcan is a obvious solution to a problem that didn't exist.  Marginally effective, certainlly NOT the panecea of long range combat it was touted as, why then?  What was the point, long range engagement unit to attack people far away?  Um, something already exists that does it a HELL of a lot better.  Yep, it's my pretense that this weapon was introduced to start creating reasons to marginalize the Shaft.  We'll see what happens, but yeah, anything to stop camping AND the introduction of a weapon that by it's very nature must move or die, as it over heats and trying to let it cool down after seeing its stream of bullets makes it a target, so it HAS TO move, take cover, and in doing so, must change positions.  Good news is, we, as Shafters, are pissed, we're annoyed, we're tired of the whiney little punks that rack up crystals and rank 10 times faster than us, but we still Shaft, and we still take high ranked places on the score board at the end of the day, so getting rid of us would be simply an OUTRIGHT and BLATANT admission that the Shaft, in the right hands, is an effective weapon and it is fair and, in spite of of the best efforts to reduce it to something useless without castrating it, there is little to be done against a brain, which what is needed to play Shaft, period.

 

Do I hate the stupidity of the laser, as I said, yes.  Do I wish I could go 3 rounds in a ring with the developer that coded the mouse control and left my turret spinning like a ******ed top, again yes.  You are NOT in bad company here, and yeah, I feel for buyers that bought into this platform simply to have their expectations and rightful ability to use it as marketed taken from them, and I most of all dislike the dis-interest and overall unfounded dislike for this platform that is constantly heard.  Now, again, the good news is, regardless of these things, we still make top billet in many games.  They wanted us to adapt, well, we found ways to, and look again, the whiners still abound.  When will it end, who knows.  I WILL say this.  I have finally heard the dull roar instead of a fervor against the Shaft now.  After all the maligning it has gone through, I think the complainers can NO LONGER make a valid arguement against this platform anymore, at all.  We are the essence now, as it were, of this type of play, nothing left to add, and yeah, maybe remove the laser, but other than that, nothing left to remove. 

 

You murder enemy flag runners before they cross the map

You kill rock star base defender interceptors giving chase to your flag runner

You slay sweepers that are spawn camping your base

 

It's all now harder than it should be, but you can do it, so yes, I'll still complain about functionality, I'll remind people of the finer offenses against Shafts regularly, but don't lecture me on "Tankers can help each other work through such problems as this BY supporting each other".  I am one of the best spoken of the Shafters here, I have an opinion, I express it, and it's on the behalf of many here.  I have been asked to write guides and strategy guides.  If I had the time, I'd love to, but I do not.  I AM involved, I AM willing to put my neck out there and make a few enemies and say who sucks and who doesn't, and it's all in an effort to support a bunch of strangers otherwise, people I don't know or do anything else with EXCEPT play Tanki, so bite your tongue next time, and while I'm right there with you about all that is wrong, don't get your money back yet, we still kick a** as Shafts, you just gotta . . .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BrittanySpears 2]

Well there needs to be a loud response from all Shaft enthusiasts  that this is unacceptable and we won't put up with it.

 

Would anyone support a petition by Shaft users not to purchase a single Dollar or Pound or Euro on Tanki until this is fixed or all Shaft users/owners are compensated?

[kayitsiz 621]

I don't want to play until shaft is fixed.

 

I have lost my reason to play this game.

Edited April 23, 2015 by kayitsiz

[justin_the_prosurfer 1,116]

Wish they removed laser and bring back shaking rather than laser and steadiness { my opinion } . But shaft should have more max damage .

[HaloScorpionV2 438]

Im not buying it m1 until the next update which sucks, cause its a very skill-requiring turret in the right hands. I remember a long time ago a guy with huge balls came on sandbox with shaft viking m2. He mucked our blue team. Then i joined red. :P

[Kid95 67]

Im not buying it m1 until the next update which sucks, cause its a very skill-requiring turret in the right hands. I remember a long time ago a guy with huge balls came on sandbox with shaft viking m2. He mucked our blue team. Then i joined red. :P

Joining the enemy team because your team is being beaten up? That's something I wouldn't dare think about. I know it's a problem with a bunch of teammates who don't cooperate, but I'd rather go down fighting than betray the few of my teammates who are actually putting up a fight

[Hayagriva 107]

Wish they removed laser and bring back shaking rather than laser and steadiness { my opinion } . But shaft should have more max damage .

Man all sniper use laser - to show his possition :) hahahahahahhaa

it is tactical correct - hello hello I am here

I just shot in this place, pleace join :) hahahahahahahah

 

This is like taking friz option from friz.

 

Smokey with no critical damage.

Thunder with no mass damage.

Isyda which only kil tanks. No self healing.

 

It is the same.

Secret position is the most important thing about shaft.

Sniper as soon as he is finded out where he is - is dead.

 

His only weapon is stay in the dark and hit in right time.

No enough fire power to fight in other way.

 

GO to soldiers and told them that with sniper function

- u start a disco on the hill

- smoke fire to make more light

- use special smoke gase to whow your possition with laser pointer

- show excatly where You will shot hahahahahahahhahahahahahaah

 

 

THe biggest shaft assault mode is that You cant get from where You were kiled.

How where how.

You are just dead.

 

All.

 

You have to analyze the in out bullet way to recognize shot points.

When You got some skils on map it is easy to recogize where shaft is.

 

I had no problem with it on a map.

It was clearly understudable.

 

Now it is soooooooooooo rubish.

 

Give everyone soke power with no criticl damage.

All weapon the same work.

it like it - yes - it is caled balance :)