Let's Discuss Shaft!

[Samurita 15]

Shaft compared to the other turrets is like a supercomputer compared to a typewriter - It has unmatched precision.

[dfoofnik 341]

Shaft compared to the other turrets is like a supercomputer compared to a typewriter - It has unmatched precision.

Well said. Shaft is like an arrow, while railgun is like a heat-seeking missile: one takes a lot more ability to aim.

What I see mostly from railgun is "point, roll out from cover, shoot, duck back" -- try that with shaft! :o

 

I would like to see shaft given the ability to *move* the tank when pointing. Sometimes you line up a shot, then find that your target is NOT visible through the sight. Then you either fire and move, or wait for another target. The faster rotation was a godsend.

Edited February 4, 2015 by dfoofnik

[kayitsiz 621]

Well said. Shaft is like an arrow, while railgun is like a heat-seeking missile: one takes a lot more ability to aim.

What I see mostly from railgun is "point, roll out from cover, shoot, duck back" -- try that with shaft! :o

Sometimes you can use arcede mode like that against railgunners and smokies

But, prefer face against thunders

[dfoofnik 341]

I saw an example of a shaft user today at Monte Carlo, and I can only characterize his actions as "pure chicken" or what comes out of chickens. He would wait until I shot one of his teammates, THEN stick his head out and shoot me (not even a really powerful shot, so he's cheap, too). Then hide again, risking other attacks while he waits for his next shot at me. Now that may be a wise way to get more kills, but if somebody was doing that on my team I would not give them an "attaboy" for their wiles.

 

Now I'm stopping all of their guys from crossing the bridge, covering our guys that try to cross, and keeping respawns from reaching the upper deck -- so he figured he would take advantage of my open position and lack of backup by taking three shots to kill me while I killed three of his team. Now, you can say Shaft is basically shooting guys that can't shoot back, but that seemed even more cowardly. Jump up, let's shoot it out. That's what I do when somebody has a shot on our base. Don't send your teamies out as cannon fodder, wait for them to die, then sneak out for a potshot.

 

Eventually, I just moved, shot him dead, then went back to sniping and covering our base.

 

Later, a member of the same team drew me out of my great spot by spawn killing my teammates. More of the same. :angry:

Edited February 6, 2015 by dfoofnik

[dfoofnik 341]

Quoting you " we use the turrets we enjoy, not the ones we need to get better at" <--- that's what all noob shafters say.

 

 

I only know a couple of noob shafters. I know a lot more noobs that couldn't use it if they wanted to. It think it's called "aim envy..."

The hardest part is figuring out if you can hit a target because your field of view is so restricted. The next hardest is to keep your teamies from bumping you off target. :(

Edited February 6, 2015 by dfoofnik

[Loackie 269]

 TKP please....... Lol I wonder whether it's even appropriate to use both of the words skilled and shaft in the same sentence.  

I should try to mlg-style quickscope you in the test server some day with shaft-wasp...It's harder than it looks (to continuously do that AND maintain a high D/L, NOT camping)

Edited February 7, 2015 by Loackie

[dfoofnik 341]

I should try to mlg-style quickscope you in the test server some day with shaft-wasp...It's harder than it looks (to continuously do that AND maintain a high D/L, NOT camping)

Yeah, you can get a 2.00 or higher with Wasp-Shaft but sometimes any fast turret can get into position before the enemy ranks know you are there.

I used Hornet-Shaft simply because my armor is too expensive on Wasp. Also, you need weight if you are going to fire cross-body, otherwise you flip over. Then there are the infantile teammates who see any Wasp or Hornet and think it's fun to flip them over. :angry:  Babies must play.

[justin_the_prosurfer 1,116]

the laser spoiled shaft big time 

[LeIouch_Vi_Britannia 6,163]

the laser spoiled shaft big time 

Nope it didnt :)

[r_pits0 8]

Well, I  was wondering what tank looks the  hottest and sleekest with shaft, because that's what I will buy. I base my decisions on looks.

Edited February 7, 2015 by r_pits0

[LeIouch_Vi_Britannia 6,163]

Don't know which tank :(

Hunter.

For mobility,and health and a lil bit of speed, the kinda perfect hull for not camping and not

rushin' around with shaft :)

[kayitsiz 621]

Don't know which tank :(

I preferred Dictator. Enough heal and speed, good heigh and weight, good turning speed for arcede mode.

[Loackie 269]

I preferred Dictator. Enough heal and speed, good heigh and weight, good turning speed for arcede mode.

Med hulls usually work for most, if not all turrets, that's the gimmick of them

[dfoofnik 341]

Classic Shot many shaft players have made at Rio (can be done from two spots).

Time is running out, your team leads by 1 flag, but a tough enemy has your flag and is running across the rooftop for home.

At the top of the roof, with no one blocking his escape, he is hit -- not just hit but exploded -- just as he was contemplating capturing your flag.

A shaft at the far left, or sitting at the back of the right alley, has aimed upward as far as he can and made the shot.

Warning to shafters: this is putting a target on your back the next time someone comes over the roof, so be ready for them.

[Loackie 269]

Classic Shot many shaft players have made at Rio (can be done from two spots).

Time is running out, your team leads by 1 flag, but a tough enemy has your flag and is running across the rooftop for home.

At the top of the roof, with no one blocking his escape, he is hit -- not just hit but exploded -- just as he was contemplating capturing your flag.

A shaft at the far left, or sitting at the back of the right alley, has aimed upward as far as he can and made the shot.

Warning to shafters: this is putting a target on your back the next time someone comes over the roof, so be ready for them.

Some games have so many shaft campers I raqequit, it's unplayable

[Athena369 265]

I only know a couple of noob shafters. I know a lot more noobs that couldn't use it if they wanted to. It think it's called "aim envy..."

The hardest part is figuring out if you can hit a target because your field of view is so restricted. The next hardest is to keep your teamies from bumping you off target. :(

Lol no way! I believe every new comer to this game can literary use the noob tube with ease to acertain extent. They might even achieve a nice D/L + a nice stream of points while using the noob tube. But my point is the devastating damage done to their skills while starting out their career and continuing it with shaft. ( or better say worshiping shaft).

[dfoofnik 341]

Lol no way! I believe every new comer to this game can literary use the noob tube with ease to a certain extent. They might even achieve a nice D/L + a nice stream of points while using the noob tube. But my point is the devastating damage done to their skills while starting out their career and continuing it with shaft. (or better say worshiping shaft).

Noob tube -- Hah! - maybe you would be happier back in smoky kiddie camp forum with the other "I can't figure out how to use shaft" crybabies. All I see the kiddies using is "braille gun" because you don't have to look where you're aiming.

Edited February 8, 2015 by dfoofnik

[Loackie 269]

Lol no way! I believe every new comer to this game can literary use the noob tube with ease to acertain extent. They might even achieve a nice D/L + a nice stream of points while using the noob tube. But my point is the devastating damage done to their skills while starting out their career and continuing it with shaft. ( or better say worshiping shaft).

I agree with Athena, but to a lesser extent. Severe overuse of a turret will hamper your skills with other turrets. Also, if you're going to worship Shaft, please be good. (It's possible for there to be legitimately good shaft users, just like with any other turret)

 

 

Noob tube -- Hah! - maybe you would be happier back in smoky kiddie camp forum with the other "I can't figure out how to use shaft" crybabies. All I see the kiddies using is "braille gun" because you don't have to look where you're aiming.

 

..What a terrible, terrible comeback.

Edited February 8, 2015 by Loackie

[Athena369 265]

Noob tube -- Hah! - maybe you would be happier back in smoky kiddie camp forum with the other "I can't figure out how to use shaft" crybabies. All I see the kiddies using is "braille gun" because you don't have to look where you're aiming.

lol your post is big fail ok bruh? :D lol from the knowledge I have gained so far in tanki, even a kid aged 3 could master shaft to a certain extent within a time span of 5 mins lel. I see you are one of those worshippers of shaft (enjoy getting your skills rekt bruh :D ) lol and can you please re explain to me why I am a cry baby? <----- made me ROTFL OK? :D and about using your term braille, you might wanna consider using it with every other turret as well cause I :wub: Every other turret except the noobtube. ( yeah lets go rename thunder, braillunder and smoky brailloky aww and ricochet, brichochette :D )

 

#HowToCryWhenShaftIsInsulted

Edited February 8, 2015 by Athena369

[r_pits0 8]

Yeah, you may think shaft is for noobs. And, for, , anyone under Captain it probably is for noobs, a cheap, easy to master turret kills in a touch of a spacebar.

They don't know much better they could become.

I used Railgun throughout warrant officer, smoky in the lieutenants, and now in my other account that plays in Brazil (that is a higher rank than this one) I use shaft wasp with tundra.... m1, m1 (M2 on valentines) anyway, I use it like a railgun, except...BETTER than a railgun user.

I use the peekaboo effect just like a railgun, zooming in before my tank stops so that by the time the momentum carries the tank far enough for the turret too get out of the blockade I'm in front of, the loading is already half done. Then, if its a railgun I have in my sights by the time they notice me and charge it up too get a shot off, I wreck em'.

If I don't get a one shot, I hurry off someplace else. Why? They can't do anything, hit with a twin ball and they die.

Or, if I hate them, I just finish them off arcade mode.

Arcade mode.

A underappreciated aspect of shaft, In my opinion. With more knockback then smoky, I can beat a railgun/hornet anyday of the week just by circling them with my wasp and hitting them with 4 or 5 arcade shots. And, if they really suck, I step back after they miss me and one shot them in scope mode.

I don't just camp and snipe people, instead I circle the map finding the dangerous opponents, and then I take them out. Or, I assist my teammate by purposefully showing my laser sight down a alley or path, letting them carry the flag to safety or use their drugs to their full effect.

Thunders don't bother me, just back up a half an inch and they do nothing to me.

Out of twins rico and Vulcan only rico can do me damage. I can avoid twins, and Vulcan sucks short range.

Obviously, if a short range turret latches on me I count it as a death. But, I never let that happen. Plus, I usually can speed my way out of an isida fairly easily.

My point is, shaft is entirely more diverse than what anyone thinks. You can use it like a smoky, or a railgun, or a sniper, if used with skill on a wasp or hornet.  It rocks.  Combining arcade and scope together is the way to use shaft to it's full potential.

However,I ain't gonna bash people that never move their hull with a shaft. It's fine, if they are smart they will know where to shoot, and who too shoot. It's strategy, knowing where dangerous tanks will show up, or when someone trying to take your flag flys around the corner.....

My experience with smoky and railgun lets me be able to be such a good shafter,  I think.

Perhaps people think shaft is for noobs because they have never tried it, or they always get killed by it. That just means noobs are killing you.

If it is a noob tube, then you would think "advanced players" would be able too avoid a shaft...

Edit: I still want to know what the sexiest looking tank for shaft is. I think wasp/Viking, what do you think?

Edited February 8, 2015 by r_pits0

[Loackie 269]

lol your post is big fail ok bruh? :D lol from the knowledge I have gained so far in tanki, even a kid aged 3 could master shaft to a certain extent within a time span of 5 mins lel. I see you are one of those worshippers of shaft (enjoy getting your skills rekt bruh :D ) lol and can you please re explain to me why I am a cry baby? <----- made me ROTFL OK? :D and about using your term braille, you might wanna consider using it with every other turret as well cause I :wub: Every other turret except the noobtube. ( yeah lets go rename thunder, braillunder and smoky brailloky aww and ricochet, brichochette :D )

 

#HowToCryWhenShaftIsInsulted

...Are you srs m8 you're trying to add gasoline to an already dead flame war. If you're quickscoping, shaft is far from a noob-tube. you have this insane ending lag when you start and when you're finished. Also, your limited first-person view is crippling. Now, if it wasn't for that impact nerf- Rail would have been a noob-tube. It WAS too easy to flip others at unlimited range.

[Athena369 265]

 

...Are you srs m8 you're trying to add gasoline to an already dead flame war. If you're quickscoping, shaft is far from a noob-tube. you have this insane ending lag when you start and when you're finished. Also, your limited first-person view is crippling. Now, if it wasn't for that impact nerf- Rail would have been a noob-tube. It WAS too easy to flip others at unlimited range.

Yeah, you may think shaft is for noobs. And, for, , anyone under Captain it probably is for noobs, a cheap, easy to master turret kills in a touch of a spacebar.

They don't know much better they could become.

I used Railgun throughout warrant officer, smoky in the lieutenants, and now in my other account that plays in Brazil (that is a higher rank than this one) I use shaft wasp with tundra.... m1, m1 (M2 on valentines) anyway, I use it like a railgun, except...BETTER than a railgun user.

I use the peekaboo effect just like a railgun, zooming in before my tank stops so that by the time the momentum carries the tank far enough for the turret too get out of the blockade I'm in front of, the loading is already half done. Then, if its a railgun I have in my sights by the time they notice me and charge it up too get a shot off, I wreck em'.

If I don't get a one shot, I hurry off someplace else. Why? They can't do anything, hit with a twin ball and they die.

Or, if I hate them, I just finish them off arcade mode.

Arcade mode.

A underappreciated aspect of shaft, In my opinion. With more knockback then smoky, I can beat a railgun/hornet anyday of the week just by circling them with my wasp and hitting them with 4 or 5 arcade shots. And, if they really suck, I step back after they miss me and one shot them in scope mode.

I don't just camp and snipe people, instead I circle the map finding the dangerous opponents, and then I take them out. Or, I assist my teammate by purposefully showing my laser sight down a alley or path, letting them carry the flag to safety or use their drugs to their full effect.

Thunders don't bother me, just back up a half an inch and they do nothing to me.

Out of twins rico and Vulcan only rico can do me damage. I can avoid twins, and Vulcan sucks short range.

Obviously, if a short range turret latches on me I count it as a death. But, I never let that happen. Plus, I usually can speed my way out of an isida fairly easily.

My point is, shaft is entirely more diverse than what anyone thinks. You can use it like a smoky, or a railgun, or a sniper, if used with skill on a wasp or hornet. It rocks. Combining arcade and scope together is the way to use shaft to it's full potential.

However,I ain't gonna bash people that never move their hull with a shaft. It's fine, if they are smart they will know where to shoot, and who too shoot. It's strategy, knowing where dangerous tanks will show up, or when someone trying to take your flag flys around the corner.....

My experience with smoky and railgun lets me be able to be such a good shafter, I think.

Perhaps people think shaft is for noobs because they have never tried it, or they always get killed by it. That just means noobs are killing you.

If it is a noob tube, then you would think "advanced players" would be able too avoid a shaft...

Edit: I still want to know what the sexiest looking tank for shaft is. I think wasp/Viking, what do you think?

Ok there are many reasons I hate shaft . Since you asked I will politely list down 2 of my reasons.

1) Shaft simply gives birth to noobs- While playing with shaft one simply CANNOT move his hull. Getting to know how to move your tank around is a great skill that is even hard to be mastered at the highest level of this game. (If you have seen any of the starseries matches you may have seen those players moving in reverse "knowing" the map and the stats of their hull like the back of their hand) do you think such skills are earned easily and playing with shaft will help a player grow such skills?

The same thing goes with targeting and many other sets of skills well. A player who is avidly playing with his beloved shaft may lose his targeting, turret rotation, turret hull co ordination etc, in the long run. These skills play a vital role while playing with every single one of those other turrets in this game. Not to mention if such players are planning to enter an official tournament or a recognized clan in starladder in latter stages of their game it is then they will realize that their career has been ruined by shaft.

I know what you are thinking of right now... Doesnt shafts arcade mode/being a mobile Shafter help one improve his skills? Yes it does, but the amount it helps is minimal due to the fact that you do the same thing 100x times more with every other combo.

2) Shaft totally ruins the dynamic centered gameplay of this game- I really really don't understand the reason why shaft was introduced to this game in the first place. After it was added it totally ruined the dynamic gameplay which was was one of the greatest aspects of this game. ( Maybe this is one of the reasons why shaft is being hated by many other players? )

I can list down many more reasons. But I wont waste my time going into them since I think these 2 will be clearly enough to prove my point. I don't also blame lower rankers for choosing shaft either. The main reason being shaft I really OP at lower ranks and they will simply be choosing it because of the high damage and the lack of protection paints against it at that level.

You might also want to know whether I have any experience with shaft to be talk like this. Yes , I do. In one of my alts I have a M4 shaft and I have used it for quite some time. I was at the exact same spot currently most of you guys are in, admiring shaft. It's just I don't want to see damage done to my skills at the beginning of my career ( which led me to start over) to be done to any other lower ranker.

FYI, with the word "noob shafters" I am referring to people who ONLY use shaft but nothing else. Even I use shaft once in a while when I get bored with other turrets.

 

@Loakie I totally agree with you on the fact that rail was in need of a Nerf with that mahusive impact force but still, its a zillion miles away from being called a noob tube. Playing some xp games or even watching some recent starladder battles will prove what I am talking about.

Edited February 8, 2015 by Athena369

[kdog43_GT 2]

The shaft is a great turret it also goes well with the mammoth so when ever i see the mammoth with the shaft i say to myself got to use the double damage.

[r_pits0 8]

Athena I agree. Railgun takes skill, just not as much as shaft.

[Amagi 1,728]

I'm starting to really like Shaft again! After the turret acceleration speed in sniping mode increased, it feels much more comfortable to use now.