Let's Discuss Shaft!

[wolverine848 13,097]

So those who hunt game are cowards?

In real life?  Yes - unless you are using a bow, spear or knife.

 

In the game... hiding/camping (avoiding danger) is certainly no more nobel than a tank moving in for the kill.

 

I think "nobel" is the wrong term.  "Patient" or "Disciplined" would be more applicable IMO.

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

Hiding and killing from a distance is... Nobel?   <_<

 

Well, I did say, lack of a better word.  You can't mindless brawl.  You have to think a lot about what's going on and what you're going to do, lots of considerations in the moment. Your "patient" and "disciplined" are better words.

[wolverine848 13,097]

Well, I did say, lack of a better word.  You can't mindless brawl.  You have to think a lot about what's going on and what you're going to do, lots of considerations in the moment. Your "patient" and "disciplined" are better words.

Unfortunately this seems to be the direction TO is going...

 

- shorter battles

- random maps

- updates to fire, freeze, shaft, ricco, Magnum, etc

- Overdrives

 

It's a less refined game IMO.

[splitterpoint 10,986]

It's a less refined game IMO.

Indeed, no one-trick-ponies anymore, on to uniform hulls and turrets.

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

Unfortunately this seems to be the direction TO is going...

 

- shorter battles

- random maps

- updates to fire, freeze, shaft, ricco, Magnum, etc

- Overdrives

 

It's a less refined game IMO.

Yep.  I freely admit, shaft is not to be played on its own really, it was supplemental to a team.  It had a very specific role, stop the incoming power aggressor, shut down the front being presented, usually by one or two units.  I can barely kill izzies behind them in hornets now.  I'll stick with my gear though till I just can' take it no more, and then I'll just log in from time to time until, if, something changes.  Last night was a total beat down.  I did bump into PhantomPeePee(Lord), if anyone has ever had the displeasure of playing with that blow hard.  Hates shafts, will sab the entire game if a shaft is on his team.  He's very annoying, but, he is easily riled by subtle insults and deprecating dialog, so I amused myself to no end with him.  I digress though.  Yeah, shafts are in for a difficult time if this pattern keeps up.  They keep talking about new hulls and new this, and frankly, a handful now are the only things that can really make a dent.

Edited October 18, 2018 by FogOfWar_XXX

[Benefactor 6,888]

You are playing the wrong game, your perception of this game is wrong and you are a mult to your own team.

Start using supplies and go play at 100% of your potential instead of 50%.

 

I agree with you that games would become more dynamic, but we simply have the option to press the stupid keys to cancel out each others drugs; it's not about getting the edge it's about keeping us from the un-drugged underpowered state. You are deliberately driving around with M1's against M4's. That's stupid.  If you don't like this gameplay then go play pure no supplies battles or DM's but don't let the team suffer from your dumb decision in Matchmaking just because you're against drugging.

 

Get real.

 

The hell with integrity, you're playing an arcade game. Go by the system or play optional pro battles.. matchmaking adds drugs to use drugs. You two don't deserve the damn containers.

 

I don't like players who can't play but I really hate players who deliberately suck because they feel too good to use supplies themselves. Whatever you do I'm fine with it but please limit yourself to DM's or pro battles. I don't want you on my team wasting space.

Now I don't feel so bad DDing Magnum all times at all levels. Thanks.  :)

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

You are playing the wrong game, your perception of this game is wrong and you are a mult to your own team.

Start using supplies and go play at 100% of your potential instead of 50%.

 

I agree with you that games would become more dynamic, but we simply have the option to press the stupid keys to cancel out each others drugs; it's not about getting the edge it's about keeping us from the un-drugged underpowered state. You are deliberately driving around with M1's against M4's. That's stupid.  If you don't like this gameplay then go play pure no supplies battles or DM's but don't let the team suffer from your dumb decision in Matchmaking just because you're against drugging.

 

Get real.

 

 

The hell with integrity, you're playing an arcade game. Go by the system or play optional pro battles.. matchmaking adds drugs to use drugs. You two don't deserve the damn containers.

I don't like players who can't play but I really hate players who deliberately suck because they feel too good to use supplies themselves. Whatever you do I'm fine with it but please limit yourself to DM's or pro battles. I don't want you on my team wasting space.

Damn, that was the brutal truth :O

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

Damn, that was the brutal truth :o

I had not replied to it, but since it's being discussed . . sigh . . . I guess I need to reply.

 

The fault in that logic is that TANKI made the rules, not me, not the druggers, Tanki.  Tanki says, free play is matchmaking now.  This means that all players, if they want to play without pay, if they want to play to complete missions, they must play in this realm.  Thus, anyone and everyone who plays are herded this way.  Thus, by proxy, I don't like druggers, yet there they are, and vice cersa, they don't like me, and here I am.  Guess what,

 

     I'm gonna join, like it or not, it's where Tanki said I can play.

 

If people who are buyers and users are in their, that's just as much their problem as mine.  So no, he is universally wrong.  I have ZERO obligation to accommodate drugger's game play, just as I have no right to request accommodation for my game play.  I can discuss the issue as a game wide matter, but I can't whine and try to force others to not play with me because they use.  The notion that I will bow out because users doesn't like my PUBLIC game play, is simply a nonstarter.

 

That's the last I'll speak of it here.

[enri_chill 265]

Getting this thread back to its originally scheduled topic:) After playing for an hour or so with the new shaft, I am more favorable to it than I thought. In general I prefer moving around and engaging. It was pointless for the last several weeks because the arcade shots were so weak. Now they are much better and allow the shaft to engage in closer quarters. I have begun to forsake the quick snipe and wait a little bit more...that is not how I prefer to play on scoped shots, but it is more forced now with the depleted energy from any length of scoped shot.

 

What are other tankers experiencing with the new shaft? 

[gokuMI6 1,290]

This is a Shaft topic 

IMHO the discussions you guy's were having belong in the Game Balance section 

[splitterpoint 10,986]

Damn, that was the brutal truth :o

I apologise for the harsh tone. As I was writing it down, I got carried away and that was dumb.

Nothing personal ofcourse, everyone is free to do whatever they want in this game and not using drugs isn't against the game rules.

I am not going to hide my post like a coward though because I still stand by my opinion.

 

We should indeed be discussing this stuff on the game balance topic like Mr.Goku said.

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

I am not going to hide my post like a coward though because I still stand by my opinion.

 

We should indeed be discussing this stuff on the game balance topic like Mr.Goku said.

it's not about cowardice... it's about being an adult and cleaning up your own poop instead of leaving it for others (the poor mods) to do it for you.

 

you started this off topic discussion, so you get rid of it by hiding it.

 

:D :lol: ;)

 

[splitterpoint 10,986]

it's not about cowardice... it's about being an adult and cleaning up your own poop instead of leaving it for others (the poor mods) to do it for you.

 

you started this off topic discussion, so you get rid of it by hiding it.

 

:D :lol: ;)

 

People who use smileys in their posts already lost the argument they were about to instigate.

[GuidoFawkes 2,361]

People who use smileys in their posts already lost the argument they were about to instigate.

people who say "poeple who blah blah blah already lost the argument" already lost the argument. ;)

Edited October 20, 2018 by GuidoFawkes

[basenji_sniper 0]

shaft is still pretty good,but it is favoring campers with heavy hulls(noobs) more with the new update. mounting shaft on light hulls and quickscoping doesn't work well anymore please change it back tanki.

 

[thesquarerootof2 165]

shaft is still pretty good,but it is favoring campers with heavy hulls(noobs) more with the new update. mounting shaft on light hulls and quickscoping doesn't work well anymore please change it back tanki.

I always hated the way Shaft could just one-shot a light hull and 5 seconds later it's back in business. Personally I'm pretty glad that's gone now. 

[enri_chill 265]

shaft is still pretty good,but it is favoring campers with heavy hulls(noobs) more with the new update. mounting shaft on light hulls and quickscoping doesn't work well anymore please change it back tanki.

Have you used the arcade shot much in short to mid range? It is quite powerful and formidable in my opinion. Originally I was very upset about the change in the quickscoping/sniping energy drain. but after playing a few hours with the turret on my hunter instead of my titan I am actually pleased with the overall change. It is much better at engaging in short to midranges. Before I was toast when someone came close. Not so much now. Try it out a bit and see how it performs. A confession is I am sporting an m4 shaft. That is a fast, strong midrange turret now. 1.5 second reload (same as smoky) with a bit more damage (although no critical hit and less impact).

I always hated the way Shaft could just one-shot a light hull and 5 seconds later it's back in business. Personally I'm pretty glad that's gone now. 

Have you not experienced that same dynamic with Thunder or Rail? They both can one shot a light hull w/DD and do it over and over:) I know because I use them. Also rico can 3 shot a light hull.

Edited October 24, 2018 by enri_chill

[thesquarerootof2 165]

Have you not experienced that same dynamic with Thunder or Rail? They both can one shot a light hull w/DD and do it over and over:) I know because I use them. Also rico can 3 shot a light hull.

Thunder and Rail can do it with DD. But Shaft can do it without. 

[Drazox 665]

Don't forget to add the Shaft XT picture in page 1

[thesquarerootof2 165]

Nerf the arcade shot already. It makes zero sense that a weapon with such a powerful sniping mode can also get arcade shots rivaling the DPS of Smoky and Thunder. 

[Reddkuest 76]

Thunder and Smoky have far better range and effects than the arcade shots. Also, they both have Alterations that doesn't suck. As it is now, Shaft is one of the turrets presently at the bottom of the barrel power wise.

[enri_chill 265]

Thunder and Smoky have far better range and effects than the arcade shots. Also, they both have Alterations that doesn't suck. As it is now, Shaft is one of the turrets presently at the bottom of the barrel power wise.

Have you tried the triple arcade shot alt? Just curious. In close confines it would be very effective against light and medium hulls. Not many protections vs. shaft right now with all the more powerful alts on other turrets.

[Amagi 1,728]

~I TRIED THESE ALTS SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO~

 

TRIPLE SHOT

I personally recommend the alt. Just be careful that  after bursting all 3 shots you're left with quite a substantial reload, especially since the energy consumption for arcade is increased, so you really have to wait once you've used up your shots. Its great for burst damage, but not really worth the 120k imo. Your mileage may vary however. Just manage your shots properly.

 

LIGHT CAPACITORS

Just don't buy this alt, its a waste. You give up the capability to one-shot medium hulls just for a fraction of a second of charging time and somewhat faster scope speed. It might have some use for masochists who like to use scoped shaft in close ranges, but to all other normal people, stay away from this alt.

Edited November 4, 2018 by Stinger911

[enri_chill 265]

~I TRIED THESE ALTS SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO~

 

TRIPLE SHOT

I personally recommend the alt. Just be careful that  after bursting all 3 shotsyou're left with quite a substantial reload, especially since the energy consumption for arcade is increased, so you really have to wait once you've bursted your shots. Its great for burst damage, but not really worth the 120k imo. Your mileage may vary however. Just manage your shots.

 

LIGHT CAPACITORS

Just don't buy this alt, its a waste. You give up the capability to one-shot medium hulls just for a fraction of a second of charging time and somewhat faster scope speed. It might have some use for masochists who like to use scoped shaft in close ranges, but to all other normal people, stay away from this alt.

Thanks for the input. I really want the triple shot. But I am going to choose to continue to build a diverse garage to allow for flexible play and more fun longterm. Those 120k represent 3 m4 turrets for me:) Finally getting the last mu's on them!!! Been along while, but will have a very nice garage.

[Reddkuest 76]

Thanks for the heads up on these alterations, I may get the triple shot eventually.

 

o7