Let's Discuss Smoky!

[Tanker-Arthur 2,971]

On 10/31/2020 at 4:43 AM, asem.harbi said:

Guys, please anyone who played the Halloween map, tell me honestly, aren't somkies too annoying? be honest with yourself

They are.

But Striker just wrecks everyone. Especially on the "Graveyard" map.

[cool12345 123]

So explain to me what is new with Smoky?  Thank you.  I am listening.  

[alkyng 3,080]

25 minutes ago, cool12345 said:

So explain to me what is new with Smoky?  Thank you.  I am listening.  

A new skin

[The_Voltage 178]

9 hours ago, cool12345 said:

So explain to me what is new with Smoky?  Thank you.  I am listening.  

Also add projectile speed (go faster than others though) and bouncing feature (like Vulcan). This is from test server.

[Alklines 1,751]

Yesss

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

So, the time has come to re-evaluate Smoky's critical chance rate and DPM post-rework. Abbreviations are as follows:

• SR - Supercumulative Rounds
• PR - Paralyzing Rounds
• SA - Sorted Ammunition
• AR - Assault Rounds
• CR - Cryo Rounds
• HPAS - High-Precision Aiming System
• AP - Armour-Piercing Rounds
• EMP - EMP Rounds
• IR - Incendiary Rounds

Average critical hit rate

	Stock	SR	PR	SA
Mk1	16.2%	8.8%	10.3%	25%
Mk2	17.4%	9.7%	11.4%	25%
Mk3	18.2%	10.3%	12.0%	25%
Mk4	19.3%	11.2%	13.0%	25%
Mk5	20.1%	11.7%	13.5%	25%
Mk6	20.9%	12.2%	14.1%	25%
Mk7	21.7%	13.0%	14.9%	25%
Mk7+	22.7%	14.1%	16.2%	25%

Percentages were rounded to one decimal place. Note that the average critical hit rate is not the critical hit chance. An average critical hit rate of 25% means that on average, one out of every four shots will be a critical hit, and not that the average chance of scoring a critical hit on any given shot is 25%. Also note that the average critical hit rates of augments with a critical chance penalty are not as low as those penalties suggest.

Average number of shots to score a critical hit

	Stock	SR	PR	SA
Mk1	6.2	11.4	9.7	4.0
Mk2	5.7	10.3	8.8	4.0
Mk3	5.5	9.7	8.4	4.0
Mk4	5.2	8.9	7.7	4.0
Mk5	5.0	8.6	7.4	4.0
Mk6	4.8	8.2	7.1	4.0
Mk7	4.6	7.7	6.7	4.0
Mk7+	4.4	7.1	6.2	4.0

Values were rounded to one decimal place. This table indicates how often on average a critical hit will be scored. For example, stock Mk1 Smoky will score an average of one critical hit out of every 6.2 hits. Any Smoky Mk with Sorted Ammunition will always score a critical hit on every fourth shot only.

Average DPM

	AR/CR	PR	HPAS	AP	EMP	Stock	SR	SA	IR	Autocannon
Mk1	9 000	9 274	10 337	10 380	10 759	11 327	11 283	12 583	15 656	20 421
Mk2	10 654	10 844	11 953	12 016	12 445	13 088	13 214	14 152	17 797	22 574
Mk3	12 076	12 174	13 315	13 398	13 867	14 570	14 812	15 505	19 563	24 199
Mk4	13 596	13 584	14 783	14 882	15 403	16 185	16 604	16 949	21 565	26 097
Mk5	15 094	14 954	16 192	16 299	16 863	17 710	18 257	18 352	23 358	27 723
Mk6	16 788	16 500	17 776	17 899	18 515	19 438	20 129	19 961	25 407	29 378
Mk7	19 033	18 528	19 845	19 993	20 673	21 693	22 650	22 091	28 026	31 353
Mk7+	22 929	21 989	23 356	23 562	24 341	25 510	26 936	25 768	32 328	34 220

I assume that CR and IR deal standard damage on a critical hit, and that IR deals the full amount of burning damage.

Average DPM change relative to stock

	AR/CR	PR	HPAS	AP	EMP	SR	SA	IR	Autocannon
Mk1	-21%	-18%	-9%	-8%	-5%	0%	+11%	+38%	+80%
Mk2	-19%	-17%	-9%	-8%	-5%	+1%	+8%	+36%	+72%
Mk3	-17%	-16%	-9%	-8%	-5%	+2%	+6%	+34%	+66%
Mk4	-16%	-16%	-9%	-8%	-5%	+3%	+5%	+33%	+61%
Mk5	-15%	-16%	-9%	-8%	-5%	+3%	+4%	+32%	+57%
Mk6	-14%	-15%	-9%	-8%	-5%	+4%	+3%	+31%	+51%
Mk7	-12%	-15%	-9%	-8%	-5%	+4%	+2%	+29%	+45%
Mk7+	-10%	-14%	-8%	-8%	-5%	+6%	+1%	+27%	+34%

As far as DPM is concerned, IR and Autocannon are clear winners. This is of course assuming that targets will receive full burn damage and do not have Heat Resistance / Immunity equipped. In general, augments with a DPM penalty tend to perform better on higher Mks, while augments with a DPM advantage tend to perform better on lower Mks, relative to stock.

You can compare these stats to those prior to the Smoky rework, which can be found here:

 

Edited March 9, 2021 by ThirdOnion

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

Here's another interesting statistic: the percentage of the total damage output that critical hit damage constitutes. Percentages were rounded to the nearest whole percentage.

	PR	AP	SR	EMP	HPAS	Stock	SA	IR	Autocannon
Mk1	11%	27%	27%	30%	31%	33%	46%	52%	67%
Mk2	11%	27%	27%	29%	31%	33%	44%	51%	66%
Mk3	11%	26%	27%	29%	30%	32%	42%	49%	65%
Mk4	11%	26%	27%	29%	30%	32%	40%	49%	66%
Mk5	11%	26%	27%	28%	30%	32%	38%	48%	65%
Mk6	11%	26%	27%	28%	30%	32%	37%	48%	65%
Mk7	11%	25%	27%	28%	29%	31%	35%	47%	65%
Mk7+	11%	25%	27%	27%	29%	31%	33%	45%	64%

 

[2shots2kills 2,368]

It is only me or Smoky's shots tend to miss the target a lot? They often go over the enemy, or bounce on the ground. 

I have 0 issues with Thunder, Gauss, Railgun, Shaft, Rico... basically any other weapon... so it's not my aim.

 

Did you notice this as well?

[wolverine848 13,097]

7 minutes ago, 2shots2kills said:

It is only me or Smoky's shots tend to miss the target a lot? They often go over the enemy, or bounce on the ground. 

I have 0 issues with Thunder, Gauss, Railgun, Shaft, Rico... basically any other weapon... so it's not my aim.

 

Did you notice this as well?

I agree.  Smoky now has a terrible vertical auto-aim.  A significant number of my shots sail over targets and miss - especially when I'm on the move.  It never used to be this bad.  Smoky's new mechanics have significantly nerfed it's effectiveness.

[2shots2kills 2,368]

39 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

I agree.  Smoky now has a terrible vertical auto-aim.  A significant number of my shots sail over targets and miss - especially when I'm on the move.  It never used to be this bad.  Smoky's new mechanics have significantly nerfed it's effectiveness.

I had no idea it was this bad, other Turrets have a projectile but they don't miss like this, I feel like it's not an intended feature.

[Tanker-Arthur 2,971]

On 1/22/2021 at 7:29 PM, cool12345 said:

So explain to me what is new with Smoky?  Thank you.  I am listening.  

Here's the new features of Smoky:

• New Default Skin with a better, more detailed model and texture.
• Projectiles no longer insta-hit enemies. They now have to travel in the air for some time.
• Smoky's shots can now bounce off obstacles once, if shot at from a certain angle. 
• Critical hit chances have been reworked.
• The Assault Rounds alteration is actually worth buying now, as it grants you insta-hit, a feature that was removed from Smoky in January.

[alkyng 3,080]

I haven't noticed it as I play with AR (Assault Rounds) while it gives me a 200%+ projectile speed.. I'm not sure if it worth to buy, but it's a cheap 96K crystals. I have purchased it before the stupid new projectile speed, because of the 33%+ impact force which is not that bad and not that practical.

[alkyng 3,080]

11 minutes ago, 2shots2kills said:

I had no idea it was this bad, other Turrets have a projectile but they don't miss like this, I feel like it's not an intended feature.

Projectile speed is a bad thing, because it has a speed like instant that you don't have to take it into account but some times you miss the shot because of the projectile speed. While it's something not possible to take the projectile speed into your account because most of the times it wont make a huge change.   But in turrets like Striker/Magnum (though I hate it), yes you have to take the projectile speed into account.

[wolverine848 13,097]

39 minutes ago, Tanker-Arthur said:

The Assault Rounds alteration is actually worth buying now, as it grants you insta-hit,

Not "insta-hit".  Still has a speed, though increased.  Better than stock at hitting, but still worse than stock was before the mechanics change.

[2shots2kills 2,368]

36 minutes ago, asem.harbi said:

Projectile speed is a bad thing, because it has a speed like instant that you don't have to take it into account but some times you miss the shot because of the projectile speed. While it's something not possible to take the projectile speed into your account because most of the times it wont make a huge change.   But in turrets like Striker/Magnum (though I hate it), yes you have to take the projectile speed into account.

No, it's not about projectile speed. I mentioned Thunder and Gauss to clarify this. I can hit Sledghammer Rounds 90% on the time, with Smoky is different.

You have an opponent in front of you, like let's say, about 3 tanks distance away from you. Two shots hit, the third randomly misses and goes high, the fourth hits, etc. 

 

As I said before, the shots miss without any reason, and it's really frustrating, I have already been killed or failed to kill a target because the shells decide to go into the air, or they bounce somewhere without hitting the Tank.

[Tanker-Arthur 2,971]

Just now, wolverine848 said:

Not "insta-hit".  Still has a speed, though increased.  Better than stock at hitting, but still worse than stock was before the mechanics change.

Yeah, I just said "insta-hit" cause the effects of the alt were basically almost the same.

 

[Tanker-Arthur 2,971]

Just now, asem.harbi said:

I haven't noticed it as I play with AR (Assault Rounds) while it gives me a 200%+ projectile speed.. I'm not sure if it worth to buy, but it's a cheap 96K crystals. I have purchased it before the stupid new projectile speed, because of the 33%+ impact force which is not that bad and not that practical.

Lol, I bought Assault Rounds years ago, back when it was just 20,000 Crystals.


At the time though, it was a "waste" of 20k, wasn't that great.

But it's actually a pretty decent alt today due to default amoky and all other smoky alterations having insta-hit removed.

Still though, if you buy it today, just so you know, you're wasting 76,000 crystals :,(

[alkyng 3,080]

1 hour ago, 2shots2kills said:

No, it's not about projectile speed. I mentioned Thunder and Gauss to clarify this. I can hit Sledghammer Rounds 90% on the time, with Smoky is different.

You have an opponent in front of you, like let's say, about 3 tanks distance away from you. Two shots hit, the third randomly misses and goes high, the fourth hits, etc. 

To be honest it's my first time to hear that, maybe I have to play Smoky multiple battles to test this strange thing. And it would be better if you recorded it to be assure that maybe you haven't notice or you forgot something.

By the way, it seems maybe such a glitch like many Magnums saying here that some of their shots doesn't register in the game. And it happen nowadays a lot with many turrets (No damage lag) 

[2shots2kills 2,368]

11 minutes ago, asem.harbi said:

To be honest it's my first time to hear that, maybe I have to play Smoky multiple battles to test this strange thing. And it would be better if you recorded it to be assure that maybe you haven't notice or you forgot something.

Try it yourself, play with Smoky without Assault Rounds or Autocannon and look at your shots.

 

I can record it just to show to the Forum, because I am sure of it, I have played plenty of battles already.

[wolverine848 13,097]

34 minutes ago, asem.harbi said:

By the way, it seems maybe such a glitch like many Magnums saying here that some of their shots doesn't register in the game. And it happen nowadays a lot with many turrets (No damage lag) 

I don't think it's the same thing.  I can see the shot going, but the trajectory is way off - height-wise - and it easily misses.

Sure we all miss sometimes.  But the frequency of misses after the change can't be coincidence. It is far, far more often than before.

[2shots2kills 2,368]

Here, an example. The first shot on the Smoky/Titan misses, and the last one on the Vulcan/Titan goes under.

 

 

[TheCongoSpider 8,963]

11 minutes ago, 2shots2kills said:

Here, an example. The first shot on the Smoky/Titan misses, and the last one on the Vulcan/Titan goes under.

 

 

The first one is a legitimate miss. The second one is weird though. 

[2shots2kills 2,368]

15 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

The first one is a legitimate miss. The second one is weird though. 

Replay the video at 0.25. The shot seems to go through the back of the enemy Smoky's turret. 

 

Spoiler

 

Anyway, I invite everyone to test Smoky for around 10 battles, and see for yourself... this was just a quick video, but even worse shots happen all the time.

 

Edited March 21, 2021 by 2shots2kills

[TheCongoSpider 8,963]

6 minutes ago, 2shots2kills said:

Replay the video at 0.25. The shot seems to go through the back of the enemy Smoky's turret. 

 

I did, and it looks like your shot narrowly missed the hitbox of the Smoky. 

8 minutes ago, 2shots2kills said:

Anyway, I invite everyone to test Smoky for around 10 battles, and see for yourself... this was just a quick video, but even worse shots happen all the time.

 

I practically only use Smoky on this account, but I use it on TO mobile so it may be a different experience. I have had shots that seems to miss players when it looked like it shouldn't but I presume it's the horizontal auto-aim causing that. 

 

I can't really test the ricocheting thing, since mobile has auto-aim for ricocheting projectiles. Most if not all of my ricocheted Smoky projectiles hit enemies because of this. 

[FrozenRailgun 1,771]

1 hour ago, 2shots2kills said:

Here, an example. The first shot on the Smoky/Titan misses, and the last one on the Vulcan/Titan goes under.

 

 

Last shot for some reason went through like it was nofing.