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First you take my team away with the last clan rules update,and now my clan too???with 15 players allowed in second league, i as a "low" rank will probably not be allowed to stay!

We will be in Tier 3 for quite a while yet I expect, maybe by this time next year, we will have to wait and see, the clans that will feel this effect first would be clans with all Generalissimos, there will be a lot of drama in those clans that have to cut half their players, many clans will fall apart from this sort of thing, and many friendships may be lost in the process, hopefully we can come up with a sollution, before it gets to that.

You still would have to have made a choice between changing your team to a clan of staying in your present clan.

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I would like to say that I am in a very active clan and I think that I can speak for every member when I say that being in a clan is the best experience you can archive in Tanki.

In this International community, we have members from all around the globe, our skype chat is active almost 24 hrs a day, web site, forum activity, and every member has worked together to make this happen.

And, we’re all ready to Kick the Tyres.

 

Further to having more than 15 members in a clan,

The whole purpose for 4 tiers is to make tournaments that are geared to players of different levels of skill and garage to participate competitively in tournaments.

I would say that a clan could put together a squad for M2 tournaments and a squad for M3 tournaments if they have the member base to produce two squads.

T4 squad would play only M2 tournaments

T3 would play M3 tournaments

T2 would be the best 32 squads coming from T3 Squads from all clans

And T1 (TOP LEAGUE) would be the best 16 T2 clan squads

These players would have a special designation in their clan as elite Top League members of the clan. This way all clans can continually train future elite players from within their organisation. Any changes to the members of the squad may only come up from one level below so a T2 player may move up to  a T1 player.

Clans can be in two Tiers, ie: Clan A has a squad of 15 m2 players in T4 and a squad in T3, Clan B has a squad in tier 3 and one in tier 2,  Clan C might only have a T2 squad, etc...

No squad may be less than 10 members or more than 15 members and each Squad in a clan will have a designation such asTop Gun" [TG] T3 Squad and [TG] T4 Squad".

This will ensure that active clans can maintain a strong base for the long run.

 

.lol nice work buddy   :)

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Right when we are finally getting used to a system Tanki completely flips the whole thing upside down, and again with a new set of rules that are too vague. What defines a M3 Player? one full combo? does that combo need to be in the "formats"? Why does Tanki feel the need to insert themselves into the Clan system in this manner? This is turning the clan community into a bureaucracy, Too many rules, and fragmented. Thumbs Down from Duck

This is a change that will be made in all communities so that we have a common standard of cybersport. They are vague because these are not rules. Actual rules will be posted later, this text is just an explanation, a teaser of what is yet to come.

 

clan licenses are cancelled: from now on each newly

created group will be a clan

Hello semyon too many ambiguities. You didn't mention about current working teams . What about them? Will they move to clan section after new rules applied? Will there no tournament for teams held in future? What about those members who have m1 combos.?

The tournaments for clans is only for m3's or it will be for m2's as well?

It will all be mentioned in rules. Current teams will become clans of League 3 or League 4, depending on their ranks and equipment they have. There will be no tournaments for teams because there won't be any teams, instead of that there will be tournaments for clans of each league. As for those who have M1 combos, it's to be decided. Everyone understands they won't be able to fight in any tournaments. If a team mostly consists of M1 players, it won't be registered. But once players get to medium ranks and buy M2 stuff, they are free to open a clan.

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Best Idea presentation yet.... only one element missing.... I kinda wish it were like  a game of checkers.. I seen one clan that has like 35 generalissimos?? that makes it an all kings game unless winners are allowed to capture a member... : )) just a thought .

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Point taken, why could they not have 2 sqauds, if they had the member base with such high skills, just change it from clan champion to Squad (Clan) champion, but they cannot be in the same tier, if by chance both squads make it into the same tier then they would have to decide which squad would represent the clan, in that tier. It could be possible too, that they battle each other, just like in car racing as only  the 15 winners share the spoils of victory.

In the recent lucky 7 tournament we had to pool 22 of our members just to get 7 to play in 5 matches, and from what I hear Tanki is developing larger, more diverse maps for tournament play suited to more players and a more dynamic battle so to come up with 10 players for a series of battles it would take substantially more than 15 players to fill the schedule.

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I have read carefully all the changes that you refer too.

I have some questions to do.

 

1. Is there any restriction about the rank of the members of a clan that would be in the Top-League or in League 2 ?

( for example would someone with rank above marshal be as member in such a clan if he has m3 combo? )

 

2. There will be changes in the battles format ? Medium and Light ?

Do you consider to organize some other format (maybe Heavy) ?

Do you consider to add turrets such as Isida or Freeze or something else to the battle formats?

 

3. From the championship that will be with all current clans you are saying that the best 16 clans will take part in the clan championship.

Only these 16 clans or you have already choose the 16 best clans (probably among all the Russians clans) that will take part also in this championship.

This first tanki-championship will be with only 16 clans or 32 clans ?

 

4. If some clan will be in the League 2 or in Top-League must have max 15 members.

Is there any restriction for how many minimum members will have?

Such a clan that in this moment has 30 or more members would create a second clan with the same name

adding the letter B or number 2 on the name and take part in League 3 or League 4 ?

 

Thank you for reading all these and thank you in advance for your answers

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So that essentially there's no division between great teams and poor clans (won't name examples), now everyone's a clan and a league is the division. All "clans" that have less than 6 members with an m3 combo are league 4. Every clan that has 6 members or higher with an m3 combo, will be league 3 (which is where most clans will be placed), league 2 and league 1 is where the most elite clans are. (League 1 will be 100% Russian). Also, now English League 3 clans can face Russian league 3 clans knowing both clans are below top 32 clans, thus not being too too good. This system will be easier for everyone, touraments included ;)

1. Clans with 5 members having M3 combos (almost League 3) will dominate League 4, as many other clans will still be using M2s.

2. How will League 1 be 100% Russian when we're on the English forum, not the Russian one. There are very few if any all-Russian clans in this community.

3. En. League 3 will not be equal to Ru. League 3 because, like you just stated, Russian clans are generally better and there's way more of them.

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I have read carefully all the changes that you refer too.

I have some questions to do.

 

1. Is there any restriction about the rank of the members of a clan that would be in the Top-League or in League 2 ?

( for example would someone with rank above marshal be as member in such a clan if he has m3 combo? )

 

2. There will be changes in the battles format ? Medium and Light ?

Do you consider to organize some other format (maybe Heavy) ?

Do you consider to add turrets such as Isida or Freeze or something else to the battle formats?

 

3. From the championship that will be with all current clans you are saying that the best 16 clans will take part in the clan championship.

Only these 16 clans or you have already choose the 16 best clans (probably among all the Russians clans) that will take part also in this championship.

This first tanki-championship will be with only 16 clans or 32 clans ?

 

4. If some clan will be in the League 2 or in Top-League must have max 15 members.

Is there any restriction for how many minimum members will have?

Such a clan that in this moment has 30 or more members would create a second clan with the same name

adding the letter B or number 2 on the name and take part in League 3 or League 4 ?

 

Thank you for reading all these and thank you in advance for your answers

1. No. What matters is your equipment.

2. Yes, there will be the Heavy format most likely, but till the rules are posted, it will all be there.

3. There are 16 clans that are already in the top league. All the other clans from all 3 communties will take part in a special tournament. 32 best clans of this tournament will stay in League 2. 16 best clans accoding to the results of it will also take part in the Clan Championship.

4. A difficult quesion, wait for the rules, that would be the best thing.

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1. Clans with 5 members having M3 combos (almost League 3) will dominate League 4, as many other clans will still be using M2s.

2. How will League 1 be 100% Russian when we're on the English forum, not the Russian one. There are very few if any all-Russian clans in this community.

3. En. League 3 will not be equal to Ru. League 3 because, like you just stated, Russian clans are generally better and there's way more of them.

1. Most likely, but don't forget about skill, it matters in this game.

2. Leagues are for all 3 communities. There is no point in making a separate EN Top League, as EN top clans would be not as strong as RU ones. The main positive change of this system is that each clan will be able to play with clans of equal strength and develop its skills and tactics.

3. Even if it's true, how has it happened? We are all the same, just play more, watch recordings of battles and get better. Learn to think in a positive way. And there will be EN only tournaments as well, so if you don't want to face Russians, don't. 

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3. There are 16 clans that are already in the top league. All the other clans from all 3 communties will take part in a special tournament. 32 best clans of this tournament will stay in League 2. 16 best clans accoding to the results of it will also take part in the Clan Championship.

So, in fact CC8 will consist of 32 clans?

 

2. Leagues are for all 3 communities. There is no point in making a separate EN Top League, as EN top clans would be not as strong as RU ones. The main positive change of this system is that each clan will be able to play with clans of equal strength and develop its skills and tactics. 

So, if an English clan gets on the level of top league, and fights itself in the top league, will there be a section made named 'top league' just for 1 clan? Or will that clan have to move its topic to the Russian section?

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Hi, first of all I would like to point out to a few discrepancies here, rather some omissions

 

  • Top-Liga – die besten 16 Clans, mit viel Erfahrung und Top-Spielern. Die Schlachten werden Live übertragen. Genau diese 16 Clans werden mit den 16 besten Clans aus der 2. Liga um den Titel  kämpfen.
  • Топовая Лига — лучшие 16 кланов игры, с невероятно скилловыми игроками и крутыми координаторами. Их сражения транслируются на всю игру. Именно среди них разыгрывается звание Чемпиона ТО.

 

1) On both german and russian forums it was clearly said that the battles of the top league clans will be streamed live online.  However nothing about that was announced here in the english international forum.

 

2) The Current clans who find themselves automatically promoted to the top league - Nothing has been told on the forum here about who they are and how they got there. (Same for the teams who won their license in Dream Team)

 

3) What's happening with the current "Capture the Map" which is turning into the some kind of "Capture the Unknown Map".  Its discussed on both .de and .ru forum and not here, they even got nice charts to explain it all

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However no mention of it here in international forum.

 

4)  This whole section about the Top League on russian forum.  Nothing about that here on international forum

 

 

 

Топовая Лига:

  • По завершении каждого сезона худшие кланы вылетают во Вторую Лигу, откуда на их место приходят новые.
  • Если топовый клан закрывается / объединяется с другим кланом — на его место всегда будут готовы прийти лучшие кланы Второй Лиги (даже в разгар сезона).
  • Выигранные в турнире и заработанные на трансляциях кристаллы теперь можно будет обналичить только в конце сезона.
  • За мат в трансляциях клан будет каждый раз штрафоваться на 5% от суммы заработка за сезон.
  • Зато трансляций станет больше, и кланы смогут неплохо на этом заработать.
  • Каждому топовому клану будет принадлежать по одной карте в игре (с соответствующей надписью на превью этой карты). Пока это сюрприз, в феврале расскажем как это будет происходить.
  • После МЧ каждый топовый клан сможет заказать себе уникальную клановую краску без резистов, с каким угодно дизайном (в пределах разумного).
  • После каждого сезона первые 8 кланов в рейтинге будут получать «Кислоту».

    

Зимний сезон в Топовой Лиге стартует уже 28 ноября и будет проходить по следующему расписанию:
 
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В итоге каждый клан сыграет по одному разу со всеми своими соперниками. 
Кому-то повезёт, и сильные соперники попадутся на любимой карте (то есть, будет шанс обыграть их там, где вы сильны). 
Кому-то бой с лидером выпадет на неудобной карте. 
 
Первая карта  — Парма.
Следующие карты пока останутся тайной. Мы будем раскрывать их по одной. Так интереснее, и сильные кланы не смогут натренировать очередную карту заранее.
 
За каждую победу клан будет получать 3 очка, за ничью — 1 очко, за поражение — 0 очков.
В конце сезона кланы займут в турнирной таблице места с 1 по 16, и именно такие номера посева они получат при распределении в группы на МЧ 8.

 

We know , we know alas that our clans won't be in the top league when it comes out, but it still is not an excuse to not disclose this information on the international forum.

 

 

 

 




 

We do get it you guys at perm are trying to bring a unified cybersport 2.0 for everyone playing the game, whether they're russian, german or from any other country.

 

But it would be a much better first step to eliminate the inter-communities discrepancies to begin with first ..  Many in the international community have long complained about feeling relegated to the back waters of tanki (and this for as long as i've been here and from people from all over the world).

 

And this right here is not helping the case at all.  We the members of the international community pay the same dollars for the same crystals at the same rate.  (I even know some people who will even argue that this community brings more funds to the game and only gets back lesser than what it contributes with respect to the other communities)

 

The Bottom Line is, this double standard policy should stop now before this cybersport 2.0 comes out !!!!

 

and yes, Alternativa can argue that they don't run such a policy and that you can admit here and there a few things may have been lost out in translation, which is fair enough,, but you guys should know nevertheless how it feels here at the receiving end.  The intentions on your end may not be bad in nature, but still on our end it tastes bitter.  

 

And this is why I, on behalf of all members of this community, am making a formal request here to Alternativa Platform to please reduce the existing communications gap between the communities before proceeding any further with a unified cybersports 2.0 plan.

 

 

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Also perhaps you could clarify on the following post by one of the german staff in reply to Dynax

 

 

 

 

  • In der 3. und 4. Liga können Clans so viele Spieler haben, wie Sie wollen.
  • In der 2- und Top-Liga dürfen die Clans nicht mehr als 15 Spieler haben. Die Clans dürfen 5 Spieler im Laufe des Turniers/Saison wechseln.

Ist dieses auf die Eventanmeldung bezogen, oder darf ein Clan in den beiden ersten Ligen wirklich nur 15 Mitgleider haben?

 

Ich gehe von folgendem Szeanrio aus: Ein Clan Leader darf so viele Mitglieder haben, wie er möchte! Aber auf der offiziellen Meldeliste für Events dürfen nur 15 Spieler eingetragen werden!

 

Gruß, raffnix

 

 

 

What will happen to League 3 Clans when they graduate to League 2 ??  Will they be forced to shed weight?  Will they have to split and spin-off a second entity representing the same organisation in League 2 and 1 ??  Or is it as raffnix says above that they will only be allowed to have a maximum of 15 members representing them in the league over the course of a season ??

The terms used on all 3 forums on that matter are very confusing, so please clarify.

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And here I find myself again quoting the same guy from .de forum who ninja'd me on raising this point
 

 

Und die sogenannte pingsperre von der ich mal gehört habe kanns ja auch nicht geben, denn die russen schiessen immer ein kleinesbisschen früher trotz späteren leuchtens. fällt mir in xp schlachten auf. Die nähe zum server macht leider in vielen Spielen Probleme.

 

How are we supposed to compete in the same tournament which will not be totally fair at the end of the day simply because some people are living closer to game servers and others farther.  As the guy mentions above, the slaughter in xp games.  For all those who plays XP/BP games on server 1 knows this all too well.  We all suffer at the hand of the russian teams not cause they are fantastically superior than us.  They just have that ~300 milliseconds advantage over us.

 

0.3 of a second is not much to many people, but in high level games its a real hard heavy hammer slamming down on your heard.  At medium levels any smoky player can make a railer miss his shot by nudging him as soon as his rail lights up.  So its supposed to be, but is not the case for all of us.  For instance if I rely on this method to make a railman miss his shot, i'm dead !!! 

 

Cause of the minute minuscule lag.  I have to have recourse to anticipation shots to make them miss.  And this works nice when its against medium players, but if its in a high level clan war with elite players, they easily pick up on that and however accurate my anticipation have been on the BF against randoms, at pro level its utterly useless !!!

 

How are we supposed to compete against those guys ?



And its even worst for guys playing close proximity weapons like freeze, fire, isida.   During game play I found myself using an isida with a reduced effectiveness of 0.8 seconds of its full charge.  That's almost a full second over a charge of ~5 seconds lost due to lag.  This is how it feels with just a lag of ~0.28 seconds on average. 

 

This is a lot in battle at high ranks, and in clan wars there is no words to describe it.  

 

So I ask again, how are we supposed to compete fairly against that ??

 




 

This here is a great opportunity for a dev/technician of the concerned department to come and explain things to us in more details than just "new servers are coming + we are reducing traffic and working on a new client" .

What are the developments in progress, what stage they have reached, what problems are being encountered, what is the ETA , what is being done to smooth out the difference between those closer to servers and those farther,,, we want to know everything.  

 

In fact at this point we the international community (and perhaps our german brothers) should be privileged on the news scoop here about the lags as we feel we are more affected by it than our russian brothers.

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