Let's Discuss Isida!

[Kill_the_Propaganda2 684]

Choices have consequences. If your choice is to heal then no one can stop you but you have to deal with consequences of your choice.

 

You said it yourself what your problem was. The solution is simple - Improvise, Adapt and Overcome. You might have noticed my playstyle. What you should do when an enemy is attacking your ally is to team up with him to destroy the enemy together and then safely heal him back to full health.

 

Also isida was designed for team battles why would anyone use it in DM? There exist much better choices.

 

Yes I agree with the need for score increase. There is very little incentive to heal now. Maybe increasing the current 15xp to 20xp would be nice.

Yeah. It's frustrating to use up my energy on one enemy and not even make then use a repair kit. 

 

I see "Improvising, Adapting and Overcoming" as using an attacking Isida rather than a supportive Isida. I've noticed you in battles. I don't watch you extensively but I do look out for you when I see you in battles. Your name is slightly easily distinguishable for me. I usually do that. What I loved before the update was that I could help my ally kill the enemy faster and then have about 2 seconds worth of energy to heal them with after but since they target me first because I'm a healer, my assistance in the form of damage doesn't help my ally kill them before they kill me. To make up for my lack of damage, I would try to tag some enemies under fire by my allies with 1 or 2 ticks of damage so at least i would get 5 points. It isn't much though. 

Often times, the enemy would see the beam, drive to the side of my ally and chase me. Since my damage isn't high enough to actually send some deterrence into him/her, they'd kill me because the ally I was healing would have to readjust their aim to them and then start firing and hope they kill the enemy. 

 

Well they did say they wanted to make Isida more "attack-oriented". And it should be as viable in any game mode as any other hull. Since there isn't usually much protection modules against it on average, it should be able to get a good number of kills assuming they aren't stolen.I don't believe that some turrets are more suited for Dm than others. All turrets should be able to dominate. 

 

20 is too much. Increase it too much and you'll see all of those players equipping Support Nanobots and healing each other while under damage like they did when they buffed it from 10 score to 15 score. Maybe 13 score or maybe an even number of 12 score. 

[SageoftheSixPaths 215]

I was talking about using the standard isida. Help your ally take down the enemy and then take your time healing him. The extended energy gauge should allow that.

[Potdindy 866]

Doesnt isida have the highest damage? Wouldnt that make it a great DM turret? Win every 1v1 fight

[wolverine848 13,097]

Doesnt isida have the highest damage? Wouldnt that make it a great DM turret? Win every 1v1 fight

With the medium and small maps so crowded - how many 1vs 1 fights you actually see in DM? 

[Kill_the_Propaganda2 684]

Doesnt isida have the highest damage? Wouldnt that make it a great DM turret? Win every 1v1 fight

High damage doesn't necessarily equal winning a duel. Isida has a narrow cone angle. Its aim can be knocked off quite easily if you're using hulls like Viking, Hunter, Hornet and Wasp. All those ticks of damage you're not doing to them because their impact force is smacking you left and right adds up and you'll eventually lose. 

 

I was talking about using the standard isida. Help your ally take down the enemy and then take your time healing him. The extended energy gauge should allow that.

I don't really get much time to heal my ally after we took the enemy down since it's so fast-paced and enemies would already be on their way to us; and I'm on low energy at the time so that's even more worrying. I really do like the extended energy gauge for healing. 

[SageoftheSixPaths 215]

Doesnt isida have the highest damage? Wouldnt that make it a great DM turret? Win every 1v1 fight

Only theoretically. Since isida has the smallest cone angle and shortest range you can only win if your beam stays on the enemy continuously. Also, it takes longer to reload than other melee turrets.

Edited May 4, 2019 by SageoftheSixPaths

[u812ic 1,629]

On my alt account, I have M3 Isida with Support Nanobots. Isida cannot defend itself because of the low damage rate. Instead of engaging the enemy, I run around the map healing my teammates. Out of 15 battles, I've managed to get 2 stars. And that's with a Premium Account and Battle Pass. To get any stars I have to use my secondary turret, Firebird. 

 

Since stars is such a big feature in Tanki, then give the healing Isida a chance to compete by raising the healing score. 

[Kill_the_Propaganda2 684]

On my alt account, I have M3 Isida with Support Nanobots. Isida cannot defend itself because of the low damage rate. Instead of engaging the enemy, I run around the map healing my teammates. Out of 15 battles, I've managed to get 2 stars. And that's with a Premium Account and Battle Pass. To get any stars I have to use my secondary turret, Firebird. 

 

Since stars is such a big feature in Tanki, then give the healing Isida a chance to compete by raising the healing score. 

15 battles and only two stars? The worst that I've had with it was obtaining 25 stars from 18 battles. 

 

We have to be careful of this and do it in a way that it cannot be abused like it was earlier this year. And that seems like the only way to make it as viable as Stock Isida since the attacking Isidas on my team do much better than I do. 

Edited May 23, 2019 by Kill_the_Propaganda2

[u812ic 1,629]

15 battles and only two stars? The worst that I've had with it was obtaining 25 stars from 18 battles. 

 

We have to be careful of this and do it in a way that it cannot be abused like it was earlier this year. And that seems like the only way to make it as viable as Stock Isida since the attacking Isidas on my team do much better than I do. 

Do you have Support Nanobots activated? 

[Kill_the_Propaganda2 684]

Do you have Support Nanobots activated? 

That is my default Isida on TheCongoSpider and yes, I used Support Nanobots in all 18 of those battles. 

[u812ic 1,629]

That is my default Isida on TheCongoSpider and yes, I used Support Nanobots in all 18 of those battles. 

Then I must be doing something terribly wrong. I sure don't know what it is. 

[Kill_the_Propaganda2 684]

Then I must be doing something terribly wrong. I sure don't know what it is. 

Well this is with Legends and sometimes players my rank and below so that may be a factor in the difference in scores. 

 

I'm sure that in the mid-ranks, it's just to rack up kills or play the objective to do good. I don't see much Support Nanobots Isidas down there and it seems objectively better to use an attacking Isida. 

[u812ic 1,629]

Well this is with Legends and sometimes players my rank and below so that may be a factor in the difference in scores. 

 

I'm sure that in the mid-ranks, it's just to rack up kills or play the objective to do good. I don't see much Support Nanobots Isidas down there and it seems objectively better to use an attacking Isida. 

I've gone back and was getting better scores. I guess it all depends on how many uses RKs at half life or how many are low on supplies and trying to make them last. But that losing streak had me furious. 

[Kill_the_Propaganda2 684]

I've gone back and was getting better scores. I guess it all depends on how many uses RKs at half life or how many are low on supplies and trying to make them last. But that losing streak had me furious. 

After this balance change, I've decided to use RGC Magnum a lot more than Nanobots Isida now. I get scores faster and I don't have tpo depend on my allies being hurt to get scores. 

[Noghtfly 405]

Then I must be doing something terribly wrong. I sure don't know what it is. 

Just forget the Support Nanobots. I'm using Isida a lot, and manage to get top 3 places. I've used Nanobots alt as well, but removed it as you can't kill anyone with it.

[Kill_the_Propaganda2 684]

Just forget the Support Nanobots. I'm using Isida a lot, and manage to get top 3 places. I've used Nanobots alt as well, but removed it as you can't kill anyone with it.

And kills are essential for high numbers of points. I often don't get any kills because my damage is so low that I expend my entire energy bar on them and they aren't even close to dying. It's laughable when they have protection against me. 

[Noghtfly 405]

And kills are essential for high numbers of points. I often don't get any kills because my damage is so low that I expend my entire energy bar on them and they aren't even close to dying. It's laughable when they have protection against me. 

I know how that feels  :lol:

[SageoftheSixPaths 215]

Before it was unusable, and it still is without broadband radiators. The broadband radiators was really useful in countering against short range turrets. Yet a good buff to range and cone angle is needed.

[XxStriker 519]

Before it was unusable, and it still is without broadband radiators. The broadband radiators was really useful in countering against short range turrets. Yet a good buff to range and cone angle is needed.

You can easily use stock isida if you use mammoth/titan with it as you won't get pushed off aim, but with viking... Broadband radiators is a must.

[SageoftheSixPaths 215]

You can easily use stock isida if you use mammoth/titan with it as you won't get pushed off aim, but with viking... Broadband radiators is a must.

Nope it's still impractical. I use isida with my titan and there is no way I would have gotten even a single kill without broadband radiators.

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

Before it was unusable, and it still is without broadband radiators. The broadband radiators was really useful in countering against short range turrets. Yet a good buff to range and cone angle is needed.

Ehhhh...a range buff would make it unique since Isida can only attack one enemy at a time while Firebird and Freeze can attack multiple enemies at once. About the cone angle, I agree. with all these impact turrets, aiming without Broadband Emitters (especially if you're using a high hull like Hunter against a Viking while driving) isn't that good. I do meet Isida + Vikings that keep their aim on their target even when they should be getting thrown all over the place by the Twins, Ricochets and Railguns constantly hitting them. 

 

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I tried Support Nanobots in in two battles to see if it's worth playing and I gave up. The first battle, I made 37 score and the second battle, I made 62. I would get killed over and over by these Thunders, Railguns and Twins trying to get to my teammates because it makes no sense attacking enemies when I'm not gonna be able to take off 20% of their HP before I die. When my allies are scattered, I'm almost useless in terms of contributing to the team. I even use the Supplier Drone for more safety but that still doesn't work out. Maybe I'll be put in favourable battles later but for now, I'll keep to Magnum. 

 

I think I'll reserve Support Nanobots Isida for the blue team in Assault...and even there, I still get a lot of score in that situation with Magnum + Hornet. It's easier to get score killing players than healing them with Support Nanobots. The most you can really do is get assists by touching them for one tick and going back to healing but if the enemy doesn't die within a certain time frame, then you're not going to get the assist. 

[Potdindy 866]

I mist say that isida is the turret that has player who amaze me with their teamwork. Some isidas are kinda noob, but when you have a good isida on the team...that player is the most important

[XxStriker 519]

Should I consider support nanobots at all with a 16/20 isida m3? Sometimes I like to chill out with isida mammoth in my base.

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

Should I consider support nanobots at all with a 16/20 isida m3? Sometimes I like to chill out with isida mammoth in my base.

Hmm, look at that, mine is also 16/20. It heals fast and the score increase for healing is definitely helping. I actully played a few games as a pet Isida (in a group) and it was successful for both him and me. 

 

If you're a defender... recommend it only if there are other defenders with you. SInce Isida protection isn't that common, the damage from your Isida is crucial in taking down enemies that are retreating fast. JUst know that you're at the mercy of your team when you use Support Nanobots. Anyone with double armour + protection against you automatically wins the duel because M4 Nanobots Isida against double armour + 50% protection will only deal 1,500 damage for the entire energy tank. That's assuming you miss no ticks of damage and the enemy isn't wearing a drone to decrease the damage. That doesn't mean that you wouldn't get kills but if you do, it's mostly kill steals or the player happened to be on low health. 

 

I mist say that isida is the turret that has player who amaze me with their teamwork. Some isidas are kinda noob, but when you have a good isida on the team...that player is the most important

I'm seeing attacking Isidas that don't heal their allies. It's demotivating to see a soldier with medical prowess pass an injured player to go shotgun the enemies. 

[XxStriker 519]

Well, it's "only" 41k, so maybe it can prove its worth somewhere where I can't really attack. Else it'll be a waste but that account has large amounts of waste anyway :lol: so many m2s without a purpose.