Let's Discuss Hammer!

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

1 minute ago, Thomas11239 said:

Really? Hammer is my main weapon on my alt and it feels much stronger now

Yeah. For example, I consider slugger as a bad choice for hammer (even though it's really cheap). It may make more pellet hit the target, but at the expense of losing the vertical auto aim (which is really useful in hitting targets on higher or lower ground) and the horizontal spread (which helps in in hitting targets that are circling you).

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

I tested dragons breath. Performance wise, it feels the same as before the so called "buff".

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

29 minutes ago, At_Shin said:

hey slugger is a good alteration... the slower-speed of turret is not that bad it is excellent for newbie hammer players and those who like to play at small-mid range and i am able to manage with it at close range too.

I haven't even mentioned the slower rotation speed. What I meant was that if you're using slugger, you would have to be a lot more precise than you would with stock hammer.

28 minutes ago, At_Shin said:

then i guess you must still like it since you like it's large pellet spread...

but if you say it feels the same before you are probably not aiming your turret right.

Has nothing to do with me "liking larger pellet spread". I just see an advantage in larger pellet spread while others either fail or are too ignorant to see it.

[Thomas11239 366]

7 hours ago, DieselPlatinum said:

while others either fail or are too ignorant to see it.

Or we just don't like it

[Benefactor 6,888]

Is Duplet back to the way it was before it was nerfed?

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

1 hour ago, Thomas11239 said:

Or we just don't like it

And I just don't see why.

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

4 minutes ago, Benefactor said:

Is Duplet back to the way it was before it was nerfed?

What nerf are you referring to?

[Benefactor 6,888]

Just now, DieselPlatinum said:

What nerf are you referring to?

There was some sort of penalty added. I think it was an increased time in reload.

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

3 minutes ago, Benefactor said:

There was some sort of penalty added. I think it was an increased time in reload.

Last weeks update removed any penalty on the reload time.

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

1 hour ago, Benefactor said:

Is Duplet back to the way it was before it was nerfed?

Duplet when it was first implemented had a 20% reduction in clip reload time, so while Stock Hammer reloaded in 5 seconds, Duplet would reload in 4 seconds. That clip reload time deduction was removed at the end of January. 

 

Right now, it has no change to its clip reload time compared to Stock, so it's at 5 seconds for fully reloading. The increased pellet spread means you have to get up closer to deal your full damage consistently. Can't believe all of these changes to try to balance this thing. At least they're trying. 

[Potdindy 866]

So, is hammer weaker than average turrets or stronger...i cant tell. It seems about as balanced as other turrets

[Initiate 1,306]

On 12/4/2019 at 11:35 AM, DieselPlatinum said:

at the expense of losing the vertical auto aim (which is really useful in hitting targets on higher or lower ground)

Wait, that's why you use Hunter instead of Viking, to hit people higher than you.

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

2 minutes ago, Initiate said:

Wait, that's why you use Hunter instead of Viking, to hit people higher than you.

You know what hammers can hit players on higher elevations? Basically any hammer that's not using slugger.

[Initiate 1,306]

2 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

You know what hammers can hit players on higher elevations? Basically any hammer that's not using slugger.

But slugger still comes with the range benefit which is SO useful. Sure, Stock has the advantage with auto-aim, but I still think Slugger is better particularly when paired with a hull that can rock (i.e. literally anything but Viking )

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

1 hour ago, Initiate said:

But slugger still comes with the range benefit which is SO useful. Sure, Stock has the advantage with auto-aim, but I still think Slugger is better particularly when paired with a hull that can rock (i.e. literally anything but Viking )

You got a point there.

[123tim456back 195]

Is hammer m2 good at third or second lieutenant(for alt)? What about with hornet or hunter m2? Also, which alteration?(ones I have unlocked)

[Tidebreaker 1,669]

1 hour ago, At_Shin said:

i had it at second lieutenant form pitbull kit.

hammer's good with both hornet and hunter.

as for alterations i would suggest you to go for slugger and dragon's breath both.

slugger because with it you can aim more easily ( if you are beginner with this turret then this alteration will help you understand how hammer works.) you may note that even after buying 3 alterations of hammer- sluuger, dragon breath and HCAC ( 5-clip) .. i still use slugger many times... it is not a bad alteration.

and go for dragon breath too coz it will allow you to get more damage done ( i believe upto 300 fire damage for 2 seconds.)

 

Slugger is good, but you'll find that most of your engagements are up close. Plus, since Slugger tightens up the spread, running into someone by surprise can cause you to miss your shot partially or even entirely, while you'll have a much better chance of coming back with the regular spread.

Dragon's Breath is alright - nothing special, nothing bad. I don't have any complaints towards it. It's cheap and gets the job done, but it's not amazing.

Now HCAC - that is one hell of an alteration. You can go up against Duplet players on equal footing and still humiliate them. It pairs extremely well with Hunter and can stop an entire wave of attackers coming into your base to spawntrap you. Winning against people with M3+ protections is actually not even that hard, too. You just keep blasting and they'll go down. This alt is also great for wiping out the JGR, or at least heavily injuring it. Probably the best alteration right now in today's meta.

[123tim456back 195]

9 minutes ago, Tidebreaker said:

 

 

2 hours ago, At_Shin said:

 

 

Thanks for both of your opinions. I think my first choice will be HCAC, as I like the idea of longer sustained damage.  

 

I feel like it will be terrible on hornet though, so I’ll get dragons breath/slugger if I have the crystals to spare.

 

A question I have is whether 5 clips is still too much for a medium hull(hunter).  Will I die before using it to its full potential?

Edited December 14, 2019 by 123tim456back

[123tim456back 195]

1 minute ago, At_Shin said:

Btw i did not know you could get HCAC too ... Hence i didn't say anything about it in my previous post.

Np. I’ll unlock it next rank with fireworks.

[Thomas11239 366]

Edit: answered somewhere else

Edited December 27, 2019 by Thomas11239

[Matt_Black 203]

Any legend hammer players here?

If so can you explain to me how a point blank DD hammer shot can only score 49 damage points? If he had 50 hammer protection and DA equipped I should still have done a minimum of 150 points per shot. It was on only one player and never scored more than mid double digits on him. 

 

Is somebody cheating?

[wolverine848 13,097]

42 minutes ago, Matt_Black said:

Any legend hammer players here?

If so can you explain to me how a point blank DD hammer shot can only score 49 damage points? If he had 50 hammer protection and DA equipped I should still have done a minimum of 150 points per shot. It was on only one player and never scored more than mid double digits on him. 

 

Is somebody cheating?

Defender drone?

Sitting in a Titan Dome with 95% damage reduction?

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

3 hours ago, Matt_Black said:

Any legend hammer players here?

If so can you explain to me how a point blank DD hammer shot can only score 49 damage points? If he had 50 hammer protection and DA equipped I should still have done a minimum of 150 points per shot. It was on only one player and never scored more than mid double digits on him. 

 

Is somebody cheating?

Could this have been a mutant snowman with ?? protection against all turrets? 

[Matt_Black 203]

Not in a dome and not any different looking to any other tanker. I came across him a couple of times and just guessed it was a bad shots. Then he dropped from a bridge right on top of me and lay on his side with the bottom of his Hunter/firebird at point blank so I gave it both barrels and scored 49 on each hit. 

 

Maybe it's just me. I've been getting some really weird numbers lately. Vulcan M3 20/20 on DD scoring 20's and low 30's. That's 1/10th of what I would score against a totally unprotected tank. Is there a module/drug/drone combo that can do that?

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

16 minutes ago, Matt_Black said:

Not in a dome and not any different looking to any other tanker. I came across him a couple of times and just guessed it was a bad shots. Then he dropped from a bridge right on top of me and lay on his side with the bottom of his Hunter/firebird at point blank so I gave it both barrels and scored 49 on each hit. 

Maybe it's just me. I've been getting some really weird numbers lately. Vulcan M3 20/20 on DD scoring 20's and low 30's. That's 1/10th of what I would score against a totally unprotected tank. Is there a module/drug/drone combo that can do that?

I can't say anything about Vulcan but for Hammer, it sounds like you're doing ~1% of your damage. My best guess would be that that player you encountered was a mutant Snowman with ?? protection against you.