Let's Discuss Hammer!

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

4 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

I can't say anything about Vulcan but for Hammer, it sounds like you're doing ~1% of your damage. My best guess would be that that player you encountered was a mutant Snowman with ?? protection against you. 

So the snowmen have protections against your turrets too?

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

1 minute ago, DieselPlatinum said:

So the snowmen have protections against your turrets too?

It's protection against all turrets. 

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

1 minute ago, TheCongoSpider said:

It's protection against all turrets. 

OOF, I didn't know about that. I guess I didn't read the announcements thoroughly enough. (Even though i don't normally read contest ones thoroughly.)

[F41TH 483]

Is it me or is Hammer OP rn?

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

1 hour ago, F41TH said:

Is it me or is Hammer OP rn?

Hammer itself or an alteration?

[F41TH 483]

29 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

Hammer itself or an alteration?

Alteration+Hammer is OP.

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

1 hour ago, F41TH said:

Alteration+Hammer is OP.

So it's an alteration. Which one?

Edited April 18, 2020 by TheCongoSpider

[F41TH 483]

53 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

So it's an alteration. Which one?

At my ranks we mostly have Dragon's Breath and Slugger. But even Duplet is OP.

[KillerDiesel 188]

On 4/18/2020 at 1:26 AM, F41TH said:

At my ranks we mostly have Dragon's Breath and Slugger. But even Duplet is OP.

Dragons Breath is essentially better than stock because of the burn damage. Slugger should get a range increase before I think better of it than i do now.

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

32 minutes ago, KillerDiesel said:

Slugger should get a range increase before I think better of it than i do now.

I still don't see why you consider Slugger a downgrade from Stock. After the buff to the rotation speed, it feels much less painful to use, and I've been seeing many many Sluggers lately. 

[KillerDiesel 188]

2 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

I still don't see why you consider Slugger a downgrade from Stock. After the buff to the rotation speed, it feels much less painful to use, and I've been seeing many many Sluggers lately. 

Because the hit rate goes way down. You have to be a lot more precise. 

 

Sure the extra damage is nice, but if it's harder to hit the enemy, then it's gonna be quite disappointing. Similar situation with strikers uranium alteration but at a much longer range. Again the extra damage is nice but if it's much harder to hit the enemy, that'll be very discouraging.

 

You've been many sluggers mainly because it's cheap and they want to test it out. Just about every hammer user has the alt because of how inexpensive it is.

 

If the price of slugger got increased to at least 100k, would you buy it then?

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

2 minutes ago, KillerDiesel said:

Because the hit rate goes way down. You have to be a lot more precise. 

Sure the extra damage is nice, but if it's harder to hit the enemy, then it's gonna be quite disappointing. Similar situation with strikers uranium alteration but at a much longer range. Again the extra damage is nice but if it's much harder to hit the enemy, that'll be very discouraging.

You've been many sluggers mainly because it's cheap and they want to test it out. Just about every hammer user has the alt because of how inexpensive it is.

If the price of slugger got increased to at least 100k, would you buy it then?

It doesn't seem like much more precision to me. As long as your muzzle is pointing towards a part of the enemy tank, it will deal almost if not full damage to them because of the decreased pellet density. 

 

I bet they're long past "testing it out" and know that it works. I rathered it over Stock even before the buff. It works very well. You have tried it out, right? Or are you going off what's on paper? 

[KillerDiesel 188]

1 hour ago, TheCongoSpider said:

It doesn't seem like much more precision to me. As long as your muzzle is pointing towards a part of the enemy tank, it will deal almost if not full damage to them because of the decreased pellet density. 

 

I bet they're long past "testing it out" and know that it works. I rathered it over Stock even before the buff. It works very well. You have tried it out, right? Or are you going off what's on paper? 

I actually tested it last time like Idk many months ago. It underperformed that of even stock. But maybe that test is now outdated, maybe slugger secretly got buffed. Only one way to find out, to test it again.

[KillerDiesel 188]

So I went on my WO5 account and tested all the variations of hammer using Viking as my hull and here's what I got.

 

Stock:  17 kills and 3 deaths in Osa CTF.

Details: what can I say? When I reached the time to use my OD, I completely decimated more than half the enemy team, and I was able to hit more than one enemy at a time.

 

Slugger:  13 kills and 7 deaths in Sandal TDM.

Details: smokies kept knocking my aim off. But I will admit that it utilized the bouncing ability better.

 

Dragons Breath:  28 kills and 6 deaths in forest CTF.

Details: I straight up slaughtered the opposition. One shot and the burn mostly finished them off. The reload nerf wasn't even noticeable, neither was the damage at a range.

 

The one and only common thing these three battles had was that I was the top player in my team.

[F41TH 483]

So Hammer is OP. Nice.

[KillerDiesel 188]

13 hours ago, F41TH said:

So Hammer is OP. Nice.

I don't know about that in general. It was just in the low ranks and I was using mk4 hammer.

[sharifsahaf 656]

On 12/14/2019 at 10:42 AM, Tidebreaker said:

Slugger is good, but you'll find that most of your engagements are up close. Plus, since Slugger tightens up the spread, running into someone by surprise can cause you to miss your shot partially or even entirely, while you'll have a much better chance of coming back with the regular spread.

Dragon's Breath is alright - nothing special, nothing bad. I don't have any complaints towards it. It's cheap and gets the job done, but it's not amazing.

Now HCAC - that is one hell of an alteration. You can go up against Duplet players on equal footing and still humiliate them. It pairs extremely well with Hunter and can stop an entire wave of attackers coming into your base to spawntrap you. Winning against people with M3+ protections is actually not even that hard, too. You just keep blasting and they'll go down. This alt is also great for wiping out the JGR, or at least heavily injuring it. Probably the best alteration right now in today's meta.

how do u use HCAC properly?

[coconuttree 519]

Anybody has played with adaptive reload? I'm considering buying it if alterations ever go on sale.

I already have HCAC and play with hunter exclusively. Will it be better?

Also, when you get a kill, is there a shot reload delay before the next shot or is it instant?

[sharifsahaf 656]

17 minutes ago, coconuttree said:

Anybody has played with adaptive reload? I'm considering buying it if alterations ever go on sale.

I already have HCAC and play with hunter exclusively. Will it be better?

Also, when you get a kill, is there a shot reload delay before the next shot or is it instant?

ive heard that adaptive reload was the best one for it .reload should be instant if we look at death herald compulsator and berserk and etc alts 

[coconuttree 519]

On 5/3/2020 at 8:59 PM, sharifsahaf said:

how do u use HCAC properly?

There isn't much extra to do compared to using a normal hammer. One thing I can think of you'll have to change the way you reload. I reload when there are 2 rounds left in the clip and nobody is around. You can be more liberal with your shots in a 1 on 1 engagement becuase you have 2 extra shots in case the first 3 dont take them down (and the enemy will never expect the 4th shot)

[sharifsahaf 656]

1 minute ago, coconuttree said:

There isn't much extra to do compared to using a normal hammer. One thing I can think of you'll have to change the way you reload. I reload when there are 2 rounds left in the clip and nobody is around. You can be more liberal with your shots in a 1 on 1 engagement becuase you have 2 extra shots in case the first 3 dont take them down (and the enemy will never expect the 4th shot)

i have HCAC and after the buff it has received im pretty sure its way better than adaptive reload .same reload time as stock just 5 shots .so i think i wont buy  any new hammer alts for a while

[coconuttree 519]

37 minutes ago, sharifsahaf said:

i have HCAC and after the buff it has received im pretty sure its way better than adaptive reload .same reload time as stock just 5 shots .so i think i wont buy  any new hammer alts for a while

HCAC is a safer alternative to adaptive reload. In case you can't 3 shot the enemy, HCAC has your back. But with enough skill and drugs, i think adaptive reload can be unstoppable. The only way we can know for sure is if a person who has actually used both tells us. Thats why i posted initially. 

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

32 minutes ago, coconuttree said:

HCAC is a safer alternative to adaptive reload. In case you can't 3 shot the enemy, HCAC has your back. But with enough skill and drugs, i think adaptive reload can be unstoppable. The only way we can know for sure is if a person who has actually used both tells us. Thats why i posted initially. 

I have both but I haven't used HCAC after the buff yet. I would say that HCAC is a safer alternative when there are many protection modules. Many encounters with Adaptive Reload made me lose because some pellets missed, which HCAC can make up for with 2 more shots. 

[sharifsahaf 656]

6 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

I have both but I haven't used HCAC after the buff yet. I would say that HCAC is a safer alternative when there are many protection modules. Many encounters with Adaptive Reload made me lose because some pellets missed, which HCAC can make up for with 2 more shots. 

really hate it when pellets miss .i hated the change in hammer regarding the pellets when it was done .previously a shot dealt constant damage .then they went into the pellet system .the ricocheting pellets come in handy tho sometimes but i think the previous hammer was way better

[DaringDeer 656]

Adaptive reload success depends on being able to kill opponents consistently within 3 shots.  If the opposing team is mainly heavy hulls, lots of protections, or defender, you will struggle.  If you have Booster or especially hornet overdrive it is fantastic.