Reduce power of garage supplies

[Brubook 1,161]

It's been months I say the same thing, but most of the druggers just can't think. All they know is they can afford all those drugs and that because of them they win. That's how far their mind goes. They don't hink if they deserve to win all the time, or if it is reasobable to be always on top and the other players on the bottom...

 

 

 

Let's not forget that whoever has bought the bilion drugs kit has bought as well the best combos and paints and has MUed the said combos. So it's not just supplies you face but all elements of power in one magical cocktail.

In fact, even when not in battle, I wouldn't want to keep contact with such people... They only think of themselves. Should an anti-friends list existed, these druggers would all be in.

Correct!!

 

I was thinking about a "black list" or "avoid-this-one list" too, just as the friend list. It would be useful as a personal reference to remember the players you prefer not to play with or against!

[RustyNail 1,538]

I can think of three reasons why they do it, but, one of those reasons isn't exactly PG.

 

One reason is because of the ridiculous amounts of XP needed to rank. Drugging is the only way to cheat this process. That is what they do earn by spending more than they earn in crystals - a shortcut to ranking.

 

Did you know? It costs the equivalent of $1,700 USD to reach gismo in terms of tanks and supplies to reach 1,400,000 XP. That's what you will spend in "drugs" and "tanks" by the time you reach the top rank and have done MU on a full M3 hull and turret combo. A full blown drugger will actually spend that much money in the course of ranking.

 

Insane, isn't it? Now you understand why we likely won't ever see changes?

 

I wish there was an anti-friends list - you see a drugger, click on the name, add to list. Whenever you see said drugger again in a battle list it shows up in red instead of green. This way you know to avoid playing that battle.

I 'm not sure I follow.

What relation is there between uprank, xp and crystals?

I never wished to find a way to uprank faster, on the contrary. Whatever I do, every one and a half month or so I uprank. In my eyes uprank happens very fast and it's not wellcomed because uprank means that new combos / paints are available (but not affortable due to high cost). Even in my present rank (that will last for a couple of weeks only) there is a more to one million crystal cost for all usefull combos / paints. Good Lord, it's an expensive rank ladder LOL

[Brubook 1,161]

I can think of three reasons why they do it, but, one of those reasons isn't exactly PG.

 

One reason is because of the ridiculous amounts of XP needed to rank. Drugging is the only way to cheat this process. That is what they do earn by spending more than they earn in crystals - a shortcut to ranking.

 

Did you know? It costs the equivalent of $1,700 USD to reach gismo in terms of tanks and supplies to reach 1,400,000 XP. That's what you will spend in "drugs" and "tanks" by the time you reach the top rank and have done MU on a full M3 hull and turret combo. A full blown drugger will actually spend that much money in the course of ranking.

 

Insane, isn't it? Now you understand why we likely won't ever see changes?

 

I wish there was an anti-friends list - you see a drugger, click on the name, add to list. Whenever you see said drugger again in a battle list it shows up in red instead of green. This way you know to avoid playing that battle.

Red instead of green .... the exact way I was thinking about it!! :)

 

On XP for ranking maybe there is some thought to do. You have to consider that ranking has also to be "inviting" (at least at the very beginning) ... if it is too long to rank, people could get bored. But yes, I still agree with you, just excluding let's say the first 4 or 5 ranks.

It gets different on higher ranks. From marshal on, it takes ages to rank (at least for me). Yet it is the right thing!

 

Overall a lenghtening of the whole career may be a good thing!

[RustyNail 1,538]

Correct!!

 

I was thinking about a "black list" or "avoid-this-one list" too, just as the friend list. It would be useful as a personal reference to remember the players you prefer not to play with or against!

I - more or less - have this list, based on my encounters. But it's useless. Too many names, always new ones to enter, one can't spend that much time following it... Maybe one day I will publish in Forum all druggers I have faced and even a_holes, that's another list I keep LOL  :D

[asghar-1 15]

S what exactly is problem here? :mellow:

[beaku 2,656]

S what exactly is problem here? :mellow:

It is supposed to be on drugs. But discussions regarding other features and imbalances do occur.

Not sure why, but RustyNail seems to imagine that all druggers are sadistic inhuman creatures. Let me tell you one thing. I have met some 'high rankers' who are not aware of forum and other intricacies of the community. These players usually do not participate in teamwork and just play to blow up some tanks. They don't know how it feels to be drugged against. Not really their fault.

[creeperskelly 1,281]

I 'm not sure I follow.

What relation is there between uprank, xp and crystals?

I never wished to find a way to uprank faster, on the contrary. Whatever I do, every one and a half month or so I uprank. In my eyes uprank happens very fast and it's not wellcomed because uprank means that new combos / paints are available (but not affortable due to high cost). Even in my present rank (that will last for a couple of weeks only) there is a more to one million crystal cost for all usefull combos / paints. Good Lord, it's an expensive rank ladder LOL

Well, there are two choices really.

 

Play like normal people getting 10 points per kill and 100 for a flag. People have told me it takes 1-2 years of playing to reach gismo this way depending on how many hours a person plays each day.

 

Or drug like there's no tomorrow and accomplish the same thing but faster. This requires spending all your earn in battle along with real money to keep buying so you can rank faster. It also requires being a jerk by doing things such as spawn camping with the flag as well.

 

To get a fully upgraded M3 combo requires about 2,000,000 crystals. Add to this the amount of drugs needed to drug all the time and the effective cost of reaching gismo essentially doubles (assuming a drugger uses all of his earnings + real money + daily supplies).

 

One could say people drug because it is encouraged. It also appeals to people who wish to win at any cost and cannot stand to lose or play fairly. It could also appeal to people who are lacking in a certain area of their body (if you catch my meaning).

[RustyNail 1,538]

It is supposed to be on drugs. But discussions regarding other features and imbalances do occur.

Not sure why, but RustyNail seems to imagine that all druggers are sadistic inhuman creatures. Let me tell you one thing. I have met some 'high rankers' who are not aware of forum and other intricacies of the community. These players usually do not participate in teamwork and just play to blow up some tanks. They don't know how it feels to be drugged against. Not really their fault.

I made clear that I maily blame Tanki balance for this monstrocity. Opportunity exists, top buyers just grab it. I seldom blame small kids for settings that others (seniors) have provited. Specific players that seem to enjoy bullying other players with their drugging hammers are few and filed  ;)

[Papaya14 481]

I think, instead of upgrading my dictator or ricochet and spending ~400,000 crystals on the next modification, I'll just buy 400,000 crystals worth of drugs and achieve a similar effect. In fact, even better, since drugs make your tank TWO modifications stronger! How could this plan ever go wrong?!

[Meowmix56 174]

I think, instead of upgrading my dictator or ricochet and spending ~400,000 crystals on the next modification, I'll just buy 400,000 crystals worth of drugs and achieve a similar effect. In fact, even better, since drugs make your tank TWO modifications stronger! How could this plan ever go wrong?!

Because drugs multiply the base, so a person with 2x m4 damage and armor will outperform a person with m0 using the same drugs more than the same pairing without drugs.

[Brubook 1,161]

I think, instead of upgrading my dictator or ricochet and spending ~400,000 crystals on the next modification, I'll just buy 400,000 crystals worth of drugs and achieve a similar effect. In fact, even better, since drugs make your tank TWO modifications stronger! How could this plan ever go wrong?!

This is exactly what is wrong in it! Your "TWO modifications stronger" equipment is supposed to face normal tanks for your rank! Like a giant facing a dwarf ... do you really think it is fair?

Of course it is not against the rules (and that is the main problem), but do you feel ok with yourself?

[Brubook 1,161]

S what exactly is problem here? :mellow:

Double series here again:

 

"The mother of geniuses is always pregnant" and "God gave you 2 ears and 1 mouth, so that you listen more than talk"

[RustyNail 1,538]

This is exactly what is wrong in it! Your "TWO modifications stronger" equipment is supposed to face normal tanks for your rank! Like a giant facing a dwarf ... do you really think it is fair?

Of course it is not against the rules (and that is the main problem), but do you feel ok with yourself?

This is a major element for creating the drugging issue. Many players don't accept the fair play principle or are too indifferent for their co-players.

That's hard to beat. How can one make them evaluate others? Not easily.

 

I mean, it requires a certain level of IQ for one to be noble and honourable. If one is not that clever one thinks it's better for him to beat everybody up because one can afford the means to do so.

[Meowmix56 174]

Many players don't accept the fair play principle or are too indifferent for their co-players.

That's hard to beat.

I believe that most people are generally good.  However most of them are on hair triggers because of all the drugging and do not want to be at a disadvantage.  So it only takes one to set them off.  Consider the following, red player A drugs or even manages to pick up three drops so he is perceived as drugging when he kills blue player B.  Blue Player B gets outraged and drugs.  Or he doesn't pay attention to drop zones and gets chain killed by someone camping on a double damage drop and decides to drug back.  In player B's mind he is only trying to even the odds against player A.  Blue player B goes on to kill player A but he still has active drugs so he goes on to slaughter half the red team who would not even realize if player A on their team was drugging.  In a few people on red team start to drug.  Happens all the time.  In this scenario one one person may or may not have wanted an advantage while everyone else just wanted a fair game, yet it leads to constant drugging.

[RustyNail 1,538]

I believe that most people are generally good.  However most of them are on hair triggers because of all the drugging and do not want to be at a disadvantage.  So it only takes one to set them off.  Consider the following, red player A drugs or even manages to pick up three drops so he is perceived as drugging when he kills blue player B.  Blue Player B gets outraged and drugs.  Or he doesn't pay attention to drop zones and gets chain killed by someone camping on a double damage drop and decides to drug back.  In player B's mind he is only trying to even the odds against player A.  Blue player B goes on to kill player A but he still has active drugs so he goes on to slaughter half the red team who would not even realize if player A on their team was drugging.  In a few people on red team start to drug.  Happens all the time.  In this scenario one one person may or may not have wanted an advantage while everyone else just wanted a fair game, yet it leads to constant drugging.

 

Yes, what you say is reasonable and is valid in some occasions. But I have noticed others that they drug on principle. They don't wait and see what opponents are doing but right away, they get loaded... There are many different attitudes I guess..

 

Even those that drug on principle are not "bad" people. It depents what you think this game is about and what they tell you is the "right" attitude....

[Chameleos 157]

I was in a battle, got piss off of drugs... Took my main (with isida m3.6), drugged my life on them...

Result:

 

 

I surely spent more than I gained, but the satisfaction of owning all those druggers was immense...

[RustyNail 1,538]

I understand the impulse to drug back and prove you're not just meat. However I don't find it the most clever thing to do. If you can't stand without drugging, best to leave, I think...

 

As for me, same old same old...

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Classic, spawn killing in  our base, yet they drug all the way...

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Even when it finished and the next round began, they started loaded...

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Make no mistake, this is due to the existense of supplies kits. If supplies where not for kit sale, then druggers would be less by far.

[RustyNail 1,538]

Even in RU4, it's an epidemic! :angry:

 

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Why waste my time with this idiotic situation? Best to watch a movie... <_<

[HaloScorpionV2 438]

How do you guys have so many drugs??? Did you buy drugs/buy a kit?

[Brubook 1,161]

How do you guys have so many drugs??? Did you buy drugs/buy a kit?

Did you read what this discussion is all about?

Apart that what made you think that we "have so many drugs"? And, if so, just "guessing" ... what do you think about that we don't insanely use them? Please read just 1 or 2 lines of these 50 pages!!!

[Brubook 1,161]

Another sad day in Tanki

 

Same old story ... 45 minutes to build a nice victory and 5 minutes to destroy it by a bounce of xmas trees on the opponents.

 

This is FRUSTRATING ... this means "I HAVE MORE MONEY, I WIN"

this means "go to hell every kind of strategy ... press numbers and win"

 

This is what overpowered drugged are all about! This will be the end of Tanki, if not corrected in time!

 

This is another sad day in Tanki

 

... maybe you can say that I am stupid to play 60 minutes battle ... stupid because I should know that bounces of xmas trees are always around the corner ... maybe I should fear them ... or maybe Tanki should give a BALANCE to that crap!

[genak138 950]

I wish there was an anti-friends list - you see a drugger, click on the name, add to list. Whenever you see said drugger again in a battle list it shows up in red instead of green. This way you know to avoid playing that battle.

Not a bad idea, I would use it for more than big druggers. I hope they don't have to agree in order to be on your anti-friends list? :rolleyes:

 

I was in a battle, got piss off of drugs... Took my main (with isida m3.6), drugged my life on them...

Result:

I surely spent more than I gained, but the satisfaction of owning all those druggers was immense...

I doubt that the whole blue team was drugging. And those who weren't probably got really mad at you being a drugger, which you pretty much were at the time. Which probably just made them want to go against druggers even more like you people have been doing in this topic so far.

Ironic, isn't it?

[Brubook 1,161]

Not a bad idea, I would use it for more than big druggers. I hope they don't have to agree in order to be on your anti-friends list? :rolleyes:

 

I doubt that the whole blue team was drugging. And those who weren't probably got really mad at you being a drugger, which you pretty much were at the time. Which probably just made them want to go against druggers even more like you people have been doing in this topic so far.

Ironic, isn't it?

Thank you for comment, genak138

 

Please do not generalize one comment with the whole discussion. Your point is arbitrary and your sentences hypotesis, and I personally don't agree with the "Took my main (with isida m3.6), drugged my life on them" part of the original post.

 

So, do not draw conclusions of a quite important and complex topic upon a part of a post that me and many others like me don't even agree with.

 

I also think that sentences like "you drug first" or "I drug to answer your drugging" are useless and just generate a childish useless endless loop, that brings up no ideas, no proposals, nothing useful to go forward. And again, this is not the main subject of the discussion.

 

Thank you

[genak138 950]

So, do not draw conclusions of a quite important and complex topic upon a part of a post that me and many others like me don't even agree with.

 

I also think that sentences like "you drug first" or "I drug to answer your drugging" are useless and just generate a childish useless endless loop, that brings up no ideas, no proposals, nothing useful to go forward. And again, this is not the main subject of the discussion.

I wasn't drawing conclusions. I was simply noting the irony of his actions.

 

That is very true, but I want you to understand that that sort of thinking is what causes a lot of people to drug.

[Brubook 1,161]

I wasn't drawing conclusions. I was simply noting the irony of his actions.

 

That is very true, but I want you to understand that that sort of thinking is what causes a lot of people to drug.

Yes, I just wanted to tell you that I do not support that kind of action! I don't like drugging in the first place or drugging back as reaction.

 

And you may be right on some extends. Drugging as a reaction is something that happens. But let's focus on the problem: drugging as reaction to what? To frustration caused by drugs excessive overpower (of the enemy of course)! And we are back to the point. We don't want to come to frustration. I think we have to reach satisfaction in playing the game as much as possible!

Balance gives satisfaction .... the possibility to play a battle (and not be a useless spectator of it) gives satisfaction ... feeling to be useful (or fundamental) in a battle result gives satisfaction ... just for example!