Reduce power of garage supplies

[KrystenHunt16 128]

well i came back after long time, and started doing drugs, after buying what ever kits i needed, and even with my prem account, non druggers are in profit, end of day, see here is a simple math to back my point, how druggers are doing doing it to gain xp, i brought 1000 drugs kit with 105k crys, which i earned by playing with out drugging in weak or so, now i got 1000 drugs, i use average 50 repair, 50 double power on every 1 hour cp battle in polygon so , every 100 of them should ger me 10k crys, just to keep up my upkeep, but thats hard, coz even with drugs you don't win every battle, polygon 1hour first place gives 3k avergely for first place, with prem its 6k, so i get 12k crys, for every 100 repair kit and double power, that's even if i win both of those battle , if i lose i make 3k with prem account which is good amount considering amount of drugs spent and crystal gain i am in lose, to get 105k crys are really hard out of 1k drugs kit, profit is down the drain, its harder for a drugger to keep up the drug upkeep, earning big profit is way to hard, now imagine all those wars i play without drugs, as non drugger i will earn less per battle ,but what i earned is pure profit, so by the end of month i will save more crystal, playing as non drugger then as , so as a drugger , i have to depend on real money for buying kits, and turrets, hulls, road for free player is frustrating , but trust medrugger you don't want to know what kinda money it takes to keep up drug upkeep.

Alright, so after picking through your horribly-written wall of text, here's what I got from it:

 

You drug a lot, and it costs a lot to keep drugging. Yeah, I know how it goes. Believe it or not, I used to be a hardcore drugger, but then the price tag hit me hard.

 

But then I decided to try and get some skill. Now look at me (well, look at my alternate account... AlphaNinjaGirl. K/D of over 1.30, and probably could beat your arse in a 1v1 on Sandbox with no drugs. You know what you should do?

 

GET. SOME. FREAKING. SKILL.

 

Crawl out of your pampered little cubbyhole of drugs and start playing like a real man. Instead of swiping your mom's Visa for advantages, try improving your driving. Play like a tanker, don't be a wanker.

 

(And while you're at it, look up "How to Improve Your Grammar" on WikiHow. It's a good read.)

[deadmanrising 715]

well i came back after long time, and started doing drugs, after buying what ever kits i needed, and even with my prem account, non druggers are in profit, end of day, see here is a simple math to back my point, how druggers are doing doing it to gain xp, i brought 1000 drugs kit with 105k crys, which i earned by playing with out drugging in weak or so, now i got 1000 drugs, i use average 50 repair, 50 double power on every 1 hour cp battle in polygon so , every 100 of them should ger me 10k crys, just to keep up my upkeep, but thats hard, coz even with drugs you don't win every battle, polygon 1hour first place gives 3k avergely for first place, with prem its 6k, so i get 12k crys, for every 100 repair kit and double power, that's even if i win both of those battle , if i lose i make 3k with prem account which is good amount considering amount of drugs spent and crystal gain i am in lose, to get 105k crys are really hard out of 1k drugs kit, profit is down the drain, its harder for a drugger to keep up the drug upkeep, earning big profit is way to hard, now imagine all those wars i play without drugs, as non drugger i will earn less per battle ,but what i earned is pure profit, so by the end of month i will save more crystal, playing as non drugger then as drugger, so as a drugger , i have to depend on real money for buying kits, and turrets, hulls, road for free player is frustrating , but trust me you don't want to know what kinda money it takes to keep up drug upkeep.

It doesn't matter to them anyways because they can always buy crystals to cover those expenses

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Op, believe it or not, Shaft.  Pull up, straight to scope, relax, breath, let them rattle you, and turn the turret just past the opposite direction of the drift they are pushing you in, and let them line up the shot for you, it's beautiful thing, I eat Vulcans for breakfast, no sweat.  Only up close with DD are they real monsters.

True, it's the rate of fire that makes them seem so beastlike.

Up close a Vulcan is at it's apex, the damage is highest, the impact force is higher, and you can be pushed backwards.

However, add to that about fifty extra damage and there's a reason I get insulted when I do use supplies.

[The-Operator219 1,929]

well i came back after long time, and started doing drugs, after buying what ever kits i needed, and even with my prem account, non druggers are in profit, end of day, see here is a simple math to back my point, how druggers are doing doing it to gain xp, i brought 1000 drugs kit with 105k crys, which i earned by playing with out drugging in weak or so, now i got 1000 drugs, i use average 50 repair, 50 double power on every 1 hour cp battle in polygon so , every 100 of them should ger me 10k crys, just to keep up my upkeep, but thats hard, coz even with drugs you don't win every battle, polygon 1hour first place gives 3k avergely for first place, with prem its 6k, so i get 12k crys, for every 100 repair kit and double power, that's even if i win both of those battle , if i lose i make 3k with prem account which is good amount considering amount of drugs spent and crystal gain i am in lose, to get 105k crys are really hard out of 1k drugs kit, profit is down the drain, its harder for a drugger to keep up the drug upkeep, earning big profit is way to hard, now imagine all those wars i play without drugs, as non drugger i will earn less per battle ,but what i earned is pure profit, so by the end of month i will save more crystal, playing as non drugger then as drugger, so as a drugger , i have to depend on real money for buying kits, and turrets, hulls, road for free player is frustrating , but trust me you don't want to know what kinda money it takes to keep up drug upkeep.

Can I get a translation please?

I really don't like the current education system, I'm lucky enough I can punctuate and speak in English...

Anyways, from what Alpha said you seem to have the same attitude that most people of your kind have. The "I'm skilled and drugging is fun, so I have to decline your offer to actually play the game like a human being." one.

But here's the thing, your K/D is worse than mine, and I get massacred all the time.

So I'll just tell you now that you're wasting the money your mother and father had to work for by supporting the supply use you have currently.

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

well i came back after long time, and started doing drugs, after buying what ever kits i needed, and even with my prem account, non druggers are in profit, end of day, see here is a simple math to back my point, how druggers are doing doing it to gain xp, i brought 1000 drugs kit with 105k crys, which i earned by playing with out drugging in weak or so, now i got 1000 drugs, i use average 50 repair, 50 double power on every 1 hour cp battle in polygon so , every 100 of them should ger me 10k crys, just to keep up my upkeep, but thats hard, coz even with drugs you don't win every battle, polygon 1hour first place gives 3k avergely for first place, with prem its 6k, so i get 12k crys, for every 100 repair kit and double power, that's even if i win both of those battle , if i lose i make 3k with prem account which is good amount considering amount of drugs spent and crystal gain i am in lose, to get 105k crys are really hard out of 1k drugs kit, profit is down the drain, its harder for a drugger to keep up the drug upkeep, earning big profit is way to hard, now imagine all those wars i play without drugs, as non drugger i will earn less per battle ,but what i earned is pure profit, so by the end of month i will save more crystal, playing as non drugger then as drugger, so as a drugger , i have to depend on real money for buying kits, and turrets, hulls, road for free player is frustrating , but trust me you don't want to know what kinda money it takes to keep up drug upkeep.

 

Alright, so after picking through your horribly-written wall of text, here's what I got from it:

 

You drug a lot, and it costs a lot to keep drugging. Yeah, I know how it goes. Believe it or not, I used to be a hardcore drugger, but then the price tag hit me hard.

 

But then I decided to try and get some skill. Now look at me (well, look at my alternate account... AlphaNinjaGirl. K/D of over 1.30, and probably could beat your arse in a 1v1 on Sandbox with no drugs. You know what you should do?

 

GET. SOME. FREAKING. SKILL.

 

Crawl out of your pampered little cubbyhole of drugs and start playing like a real man. Instead of swiping your mom's Visa for advantages, try improving your driving. Play like a tanker, don't be a wanker.

 

(And while you're at it, look up "How to Improve Your Grammar" on WikiHow. It's a good read.)

 

Can I get a translation please?

I really don't like the current education system, I'm lucky enough I can punctuate and speak in English...

Anyways, from what Alpha said you seem to have the same attitude that most people of your kind have. The "I'm skilled and drugging is fun, so I have to decline your offer to actually play the game like a human being." one.

But here's the thing, your K/D is worse than mine, and I get massacred all the time.

So I'll just tell you now that you're wasting the money your mother and father had to work for by supporting the supply use you have currently.

See, da problem wit folkz dez dayz is dey ain't be learnin' how new people be speaking aein sheit.  You two need tah get on dat urban dic tip, feel me?  Hell, we all be knwin' what snipah be gettin' at.  Boi be saying be dewing drug so he can be buyin' sum drug, leik a circle (jerk), just, different, got it?  See, he be playin' leik he be livin', you need tah show sum curtsey aein feel fo' ah' brotha who be livin' hard.  Ain't nobody got no time fo' learnin' sum bullsheit SKILLZ aein what nawt.  You light up, you be winning, aein AWWWW YEEAHHH baby, wit premium paint we be . . .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So stop hatin' snipah aein show da luv snipah be deservin' fo' livin' da flow aein doing as little as possible to be gettin' ahead yall.  Dis is to awl my homies in da 9th ward, 3rd gen welfare in da house baby!

[MrsTankBuster2 141]

 

GET. SOME. FREAKING. SKILL.

 

Crawl out of your pampered little cubbyhole of drugs and start playing like a real man. Instead of swiping your mom's Visa for advantages, try improving your driving. Play like a tanker, don't be a wanker.

 

(And while you're at it, look up "How to Improve Your Grammar" on WikiHow. It's a good read.)

 

I don't think this attitude helps the non-drugging cause at all - seems rude and unnecessary to me.

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

I don't think this attitude helps the non-drugging cause at all - seems rude and unnecessary to me.

Well, first glance knee jerk reaction would be to say you are a couth drugger that is seeking to undermine the argument by attacking the delivery of the content.  Fortunately for me, I WAY TOO smart for that, and as such, I checked your profile (all this linking and interwebz stuffs, it's amazing what they do with computers nowadays).  I'm VERY impressed, that drug count is nearly non existent.  It's better than mine, and I'm DEFINITELY on the light side at best.  You are amazingly capable of NOT hitting the "one" key by accident while playing (hence why I don't ever have any heal ups, I'll be playing, barely scratched, and boom, next thing I know I see the wrench and I start cursing).

 

In all likelihood Krysten is suffering the same indignity I am, simply she is later in expressing it than I was.  I did exactly the same thing until I felt it fell on deaf ears.  I cannot preach to you of course, you are clearly one of the good guys, but some of us like to use some harshness and humor in life to get the point across to people.  It's frustrating, you should know I imagine, and after while, the more people care, the more they get pissed off.  Passion goes both ways.  I still care, I just have less passion, it's a game, and it's just more of the same of the world around us.

 

That said, people should learn how to write appropriately, and it is infinitely frustrating when folks don't.  They should at least make an effort at simple punctuation.

[RustyNail 1,538]

Did you know that even now with the "smart cooldowns" update, you can use a Double Armor AND a Repair Kit (in that order) with no cooldown? So if I were a Mammoth/Twins capturing a point, and I used DA, had the whole team come at me, and then used an RK (the DARK combo), you'd think that was unfair, right?

 

My point is this -- smart cooldowns didn't do squat. Drug addicts didn't go away, they just adapted and found new ways to be drug addicts.

 

Actually, at the end of the day (for most druggers), it's about winning and having a cool K/D ratio. Unfortunately, since a lot of them didn't bother to learn the game and as a result don't have a lot of actual skill, they resort to the "easy way", drugs, and thus become addicted.

 

Besides that, since they win a LOT more battles than non-druggers, don't you think druggers get more crystals?

 

Well, I'm glad you backed up this argument with extensive research and presented your points in a manner that reflects the large amount of time dedicated to coming to this conclusion.

 

Seriously though, you can't just pull arguments out of your butt. Show me proof of this statement being true.

 

Like Operator said, this brings up a few problems, since "payed" players get a ton of overpowered benefits:

 

1) If you pay to buy a kit, you get gear that's way overpowered for your rank. You can get Hornet/Rail M2 with the "Tornado" kit at Warrant Officer 5. That's imbalanced.

 

2) If you pay to buy drugs, then you'll never really run out of drugs until you or your mom go bankrupt. That's unfair to the people who buy drugs using the crystals that they earned.

 

3) If you pay for a Premium Account, you get double crystals at every battle. So yeah, boom goes your argument.

 

-

 

I understand this situation entirely. You're simply a drug addict who's trying to defend drug addicts using logic. Commendable, but futile -- drug addicts are overpowered, plain and simple. If they weren't, this topic would have died out long ago, not so many players would be complaining about it, and not so many druggers would be so open about it.

 

So how about instead of trying to defend your clearly-overpowered drugger brethren, how about you work on developing some skills, hmm? You're consistently using 43.2 drugs per hour, and your K/D is less than 1.00? For shame, man, for shame.

 

You know, it's a pity you young people don't like to read. However, true that might be, I would strongly suggest you visit AT LEAST page 71 of this topic where the summary of all points (up to that point, so it's rather most of the points) made against drugging are.

There, you could see that what you say has been said already and is stated as a think tank for future reference for devs. Which is a fortunate thing that shows that all people evidently come to the same conclusions.

 

p.s. I - and many others - would really appreciate it if you tried to stay focused on the topic and also used a more polite language, fitter for a young lady like you :)

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

You know, it's a pity you young people don't like to read. However, true that might be, I would strongly suggest you visit AT LEAST page 71 of this topic where the summary of all points (up to that point, so it's rather most of the points) made against drugging are.

There, you could see that what you say has been said already and is stated as a think tank for future reference for devs. Which is a fortunate thing that shows that all people evidently come to the same conclusions.

 

p.s. I - and many others - would really appreciate it if you tried to stay focused on the topic and also used a more polite language, fitter for a young lady like you :)

Uh oh . . . . did you just, oh wow, you do realize that "fitter for a young lady like you" is going to read like "you should speak politely and courteously, like a good young lady should, something more fitting if you are to be wed one day and become a successful homemaker like all good women should" to a woman like her right?  Yeouch!  Prepare yourself, I fear the written lashing that might be impending will rival anything I have ever let loose in the forums (and God knows, I have had my moments)

 

That said, well, yeah, maybe a touch less often, but while I'm on your side, we want real change, gotta give her credit, she says it like it is and is right most of the time.

 

Seriously though, that took a pair.

[RustyNail 1,538]

Uh oh . . . . did you just, oh wow, you do realize that "fitter for a young lady like you" is going to read like "you should speak politely and courteously, like a good young lady should, something more fitting if you are to be wed one day and become a successful homemaker like all good women should" to a woman like her right?  Yeouch!  Prepare yourself, I fear the written lashing that might be impending will rival anything I have ever let loose in the forums (and God knows, I have had my moments)

 

That said, well, yeah, maybe a touch less often, but while I'm on your side, we want real change, gotta give her credit, she says it like it is and is right most of the time.

 

Seriously though, that took a pair.

You've got a real active imagination.

I try - obviously - to be polite and inspire the same behavior. All the rest about homemakers and "all women" staff, exist only in your mind :)

[KrystenHunt16 128]

p.s. I - and many others - would really appreciate it if you tried to stay focused on the topic and also used a more polite language, fitter for a young lady like you

You know, I could've given you the written lashing that you probably expected. But I honestly can't argue with you here. Yeah, I get overbearing sometimes, I ramble a lot, and I get way off topic. It's because I can't stay focused on one thing for too long -- I start going in all different directions and such, and the longer I ramble the more vulgar I get.

 

So while I'd normally give a verbal beatdown for anyone who's not a mod telling me to watch my language, I'mma just say, "Yeah, you're right."

 

I'm still young, fiery, and hot-tempered. At least that's what a lot of people say. And I can't do much about that, but I'll make an effort to keep off-topic things out of here.

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Drugger of the day goes to: http://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/steel_panzer/

"i didn't use more drugs..." "can u send someone to r team to make things more fair?" The game was 0-5, I have no clue what this guy was thinking.

And I'm not even mentioning his team's Shaft.

Nope, wait, I am: http://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/melcior/

It seems today we have a tie.

[RustyNail 1,538]

You know, I could've given you the written lashing that you probably expected. But I honestly can't argue with you here. Yeah, I get overbearing sometimes, I ramble a lot, and I get way off topic. It's because I can't stay focused on one thing for too long -- I start going in all different directions and such, and the longer I ramble the more vulgar I get.

 

So while I'd normally give a verbal beatdown for anyone who's not a mod telling me to watch my language, I'mma just say, "Yeah, you're right."

 

I'm still young, fiery, and hot-tempered. At least that's what a lot of people say. And I can't do much about that, but I'll make an effort to keep off-topic things out of here.

I am 50 yo, you could have been my daughter, and my language regarding suggestion is a well meant. Apparently you sensed it and thus your response.

I am always proud of young people that know how to behave, how to express themselves in a cultural manner and show a kind of nobleness.

I know all these don't mean much for your age, but I know one day they will. I would be very proud of young people that behave better than I behave. It's a warm feeling to know that the next generation is better than you. So, be that better than mine generation. I know you can ;)

[sniper.raxcave 27]

Alright, so after picking through your horribly-written wall of text, here's what I got from it:

 

You drug a lot, and it costs a lot to keep drugging. Yeah, I know how it goes. Believe it or not, I used to be a hardcore drugger, but then the price tag hit me hard.

 

But then I decided to try and get some skill. Now look at me (well, look at my alternate account... AlphaNinjaGirl. K/D of over 1.30, and probably could beat your arse in a 1v1 on Sandbox with no drugs. You know what you should do?

 

GET. SOME. FREAKING. SKILL.

 

Crawl out of your pampered little cubbyhole of drugs and start playing like a real man. Instead of swiping your mom's Visa for advantages, try improving your driving. Play like a tanker, don't be a wanker.

 

(And while you're at it, look up "How to Improve Your Grammar" on WikiHow. It's a good read.)

1st english is not my native language, so thank be for ever trying to speak it, to make you guys understandable, while you can do worse while trying to speak my language, 2nd i use to play isida alot back in days, so my kd speaks of that time more then now, but i will get is fine tunned soon, 2nd, i am not a pro with rail gun, but i am average with is, since i am already member of a xp/bp clan, and playing this since 2013. 3rd drugging is way of enjoying the game, my point is its not to gain crystal , its just to have fun, trust me all those crying on drugger, will be hardcore druggers if they can, since i played my most of time as non drugger then drugger, , 3rd i am 27 years old have my own job, own house , own car, and everything i got is earned by my self, since that how i afford my crystals intake, so try to keep your fact straight before going all out insulting someone you don't even gotta clue about.

[KrystenHunt16 128]

1st english is not my native language, so thank be for ever trying to speak it, to make you guys understandable, while you can do worse while trying to speak my language,

Hey, English isn't my first language either, but I can still talk normally, and I'm younger than you are. At least make an effort at punctuation...

 

2nd i use to play isida alot back in days, so my kd speaks of that time more then now, but i will get is fine tunned soon,

I play Isida all the time on my alt, and I still keep a KD higher than 1.00. And even if I didn't, I wouldn't go making excuses for it.

 

2nd, i am not a pro with rail gun, but i am average with is, since i am already member of a xp/bp clan, and playing this since 2013.

I didn't insult your skills. I insulted your lack of skills. I'm saying you need to learn how to play without relying on drugs to get all your kills. Playing without drugs is called playing fairly, and I suggest you learn how to do so.

 

And hey, if you need a few pointers, I can give you some tips. :P

 

3rd drugging is way of enjoying the game, my point is its not to gain crystal , its just to have fun, trust me all those crying on drugger, will be hardcore druggers if they can, since i played my most of time as non drugger then drugger,

The game is supposed to be fun for everyone. Constantly dominating non-druggers by using your bottomless pit of drugs takes away a lot of the fun for other players. Just ask any non-drugger, they'll tell you that being blasted by a DARK combo is annoying and not fun at all.

 

Yeah, you can have fun, but make sure you're not hurting other people while you're doing it.

 

3rd i am 27 years old have my own job, own house , own car, and everything i got is earned by my self, since that how i afford my crystals intake, so try to keep your fact straight before going all out insulting someone you don't even gotta clue about.

"Swiping your mom's Visa" is a figure of speech for buying crystals incessantly. I obviously didn't mean it literally.

[RustyNail 1,538]

Today it's a bad day. Noob druggers everywhere. 1-2-3-victory. Lame. Not going to play anymore today.

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Well I hope It'll be good on Friday, I got the whole day off.

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

I had a question about the drug rate per hour.  To be certain, when it is mentioned here, the value that is being referenced is total game time played vs total count of used RK, DD, DA, DS, correct? (I left out mines simply because it seems to be generally understood that though they fall into this category, they are not turret or hull force multipliers, and as such, do not really count for the purposes of platform imbalance).

 

Thus my current standing is 134 hrs played divided into:

 

284 DS +

23 DD +

91 RK +

95 DA

 

= 493 drugs used in period.

 

Thus we get 493D / 134H, which equals 3.6 DPH (drugs per hour)

 

 

Below is a personal observation and is not related to the above question and only relates to my thoughts on what we should consider in this equation in my opinion.

 

 

 

 

(3.6, this is shameful, except that I should point something out, and I'm going to).

 

This value thus assumes any multiplier that we use is a imbalance.  Now, and I will state this clearly,

 

I realize that DS is in fact a hull modifier, and yes, this is subjective and purely my opinion, and maybe a bias that is self serving on some level, but, I do hold it up as an opinion that I think all should be allowed to share, and that is that SPEED is important, but it does not directly affect the viability of engagement outcomes in terms of strikes, damage dealt, and damage absorbed, and as such, does not create an imbalance in platform force multiplication (ie, the example mentioned a few pages back where a DD,DA, and a RK essentially makes a tank 8 times more powerful).

 

If we take only the force multiplication of damage related power ups, my DPH drops to 1.55(6, round up if you must).

 

 

 

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

 

 

I had a question about the drug rate per hour.  To be certain, when it is mentioned here, the value that is being referenced is total game time played vs total count of used RK, DD, DA, DS, correct? (I left out mines simply because it seems to be generally understood that though they fall into this category, they are not turret or hull force multipliers, and as such, do not really count for the purposes of platform imbalance).

When calculating DPH, I do count Nitros and Mines. The purpose of calculating DPH isn't to make some sort of statement on imbalance, it just shows exactly how often the tanker reaches for the 1-5 keys and how liberal he is about using his supplies. I've a DPH of about 22, but if you take out nitros and mines, it drops to about 8 (mostly due to my "auto-drug" problem.

 

 

 

 

And the drugger of the day is diamond.dog!

 

If ever there was an advert for buying crystals incessantly, this guy would be the poster boy. With an unreal K/D ratio of 5.72, and an even more ridiculous drug rate of 163.04 per hour, which pans out to around 2.67 drugs per minute, it's clear to see that this kid's strategy is "Drug, Hit Spacebar, Repair". Not to mention that he's got four M2's at WO5. Clearly he needs to learn to stop swiping Mom's Visa and learn how to play the game properly.

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

 

 

When calculating DPH, I do count Nitros and Mines. The purpose of calculating DPH isn't to make some sort of statement on imbalance, it just shows exactly how often the tanker reaches for the 1-5 keys and how liberal he is about using his supplies. I've a DPH of about 22, but if you take out nitros and mines, it drops to about 8 (mostly due to my "auto-drug" problem.

 

 

 

 

And the drugger of the day is diamond.dog!

 

If ever there was an advert for buying crystals incessantly, this guy would be the poster boy. With an unreal K/D ratio of 5.72, and an even more ridiculous drug rate of 163.04 per hour, which pans out to around 2.67 drugs per minute, it's clear to see that this kid's strategy is "Drug, Hit Spacebar, Repair". Not to mention that he's got four M2's at WO5. Clearly he needs to learn to stop swiping Mom's Visa and learn how to play the game properly.

"Welcome back 'ALPHANINJAGIRL', you were missed, I hope you learned your very valuable lesson during your period banned from Tanki."

 

Anyways, I go to a 6.46 per hour, thus this is interesting.  I mine not a lot, but liberally enough that I was worried I'd be well beyond the ranges of players such as yourself or Rusty.  While I am gloating mind you, I do like having the less drug rate, though that award squarely lies in the hands of MrsTankiBuster (or what ever her name is, go look at her profile specs, incredible), even with the mining, I'm far far away from the rest of the druggers, amazing.

 

You're example of diamond.dog (who I think I have faced at some point as well, and if I recall, that was beauty a pageant player winner if I ever saw one (tiara's, for those not following along)), of 163 per hour means 2.71 drugs per minute means that is nearly a full time monitoring of smart cool down and immediately invoking another drug whenever cool down is NOT in effect.  this is an ingrained part of the game play in this player.  they have conditioned themselves to the timing and the monitoring of the cool down status and managing which drug is currently due to expire and selecting that one to invoke again.  This goes back to your premise that players REALLY DO learn to play tanki with drugs, and probably could not, at all, without.  Now, the K/D speaks to someone that can shoot at least, but who knows how much of that is skill vs just NEVER dying.

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

..Speed Boost..

Speed Boost makes a big difference in CTF.

 

 

 

Often, when I have a flag on board of my Wasp, I expect to receive one shot by their rail or their thunder, while their close rangers are too slow to catch me. But guess what happens:

The rail shot comes and I continue my run.. until suddely their Hornet/Isida comes from behind (!?!?!?!).

Ah of course.. it activated a Nitro.

Most likely this Nitro helps them just for this one kill. But this one kill saved them from +1 Flag.

 

in CTF the flags count. And changing the odds from

- from "none in their team can catch me, they can only snipe me in the last part of my run and the flag is in my base"

- to "2..3 teammembers of them could catch up if they use a Nitro and hunt me down in well covered areas" 

does make a big difference in a teams effectivity

 

 

And if I would use Nitros for myself, I could get so many more flags..

[MrsTankBuster2 141]

 

, though that award squarely lies in the hands of MrsTankiBuster (or what ever her name is, go look at her profile specs, incredible),

 

 

 

:)

 

 

Actually, I am really starting to struggle at this rank now without using a few garage supplies - I of course pick up dropped boxes where possible.

 

The award for the least garage supply use (as far as I'm aware) should really go to Baby_Sam -  who made it to Gizmo without using a single one! 

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

Speed Boost makes a big difference in CTF.

 

 

 

Often, when I have a flag on board of my Wasp, I expect to receive one shot by their rail or their thunder, while their close rangers are too slow to catch me. But guess what happens:

The rail shot comes and I continue my run.. until suddely their Hornet/Isida comes from behind (!?!?!?!).

Ah of course.. it activated a Nitro.

Most likely this Nitro helps them just for this one kill. But this one kill saved them from +1 Flag.

 

in CTF the flags count. And changing the odds from

- from "none in their team can catch me, they can only snipe me in the last part of my run and the flag is in my base"

- to "2..3 teammembers of them could catch up if they use a Nitro and hunt me down in well covered areas" 

does make a big difference in a teams effectivity

 

 

And if I would use Nitros for myself, I could get so many more flags..

Point very much taken, and like I said, DS is a subjective point of contention because we are often dealing in disputes over survivability of a tank, and not drugs that turn the tide of the map play objective per say.

 

That said, ultimately all drugs turn the tide in terms of winning, and you point is very true, a drugged DS Wasp is blindingly fast, and the ability to chase it down with a flag is very hard indeed, and time on target and exposure to the enemy is time that could be used to target you, so again, you are right, it affects the game outcome.  I'm not averse to both sides having this available though and and it doesn't give you leg up WHEN you get hit, and it doesn't let you whip around corners and shoot people at twice your damage, so again, it's just biased of mine, but all ancillary function drugs that do not directly impact the survivability of exchanging blows with enemies makes it more interesting perhaps, but never something that leaves you outclassed if you face it.  You might get less opportunities for shots on the opponent, but the ones that do land, land as intended, and vice versa, if you have it, you might hurry up and get some more shots on a target, but they aren't any stronger than any other shot you have dealt otherwise.

 

This turns into splitting hairs I suppose but which definition of game changer you want to use.  Ultimately all drugs affect the outcome of a match, but I guess I just okay with people going fast, that's all.

 

Again, like I said before, it's an opinion, subjective, and just me saying it, not speaking for the rest of the players.

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

 

, though that award squarely lies in the hands of MrsTankiBuster (or what ever her name is, go look at her profile specs, incredible),

 

 

 

:)

 

 

Actually, I am really starting to struggle at this rank now without using a few garage supplies - I of course pick up dropped boxes where possible.

 

The award for the least garage supply use (as far as I'm aware) should really go to Baby_Sam -  who made it to Gizmo without using a single one! 

 

WOW, I have never heard of this.  Hell, even if I never used one, my finger hits the "1" on the number pad far too often while playing by accident, and I'd have drug use from that along.  That is AMAZING.  how long did it take them to do it?  Did they do all this on the free too?

 

Ouch, that K/D really reinforces the reality of playing without drugs all the way to Gizmo.

[The-Operator219 1,929]

I have a noob player from yesterday who was on a drugging team, but he doesn't reach the same criteria as a drugger, so I withheld what I assume to be a young child. (Don't argue, Twins-Wasp, never turned his turret, more kills than deaths, wasn't good at flag running, and he actually made an effort to avoid supply boxes.)

Now this guy is intriguing, here's his profile in case you're interested, but he's not a drugger: http://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/teufelhundotis/