Reduce power of garage supplies

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

My purpose in Tanki is for as many as possible players feel fun and satisfaction.

 

I believe in sharing.

when my team wins by 10-0 I am completely unhappy.

 

Thus, no final score 10-0 would exist.

 

because I do want everybody to have fun in the game, not just the winners)

 

Well you must be in like 1% of the population. Tanki online is a competitive game.

Next you'll be handing out ice-creams while running a t-shirt campaign with "Druggers Out!" on them. 

 

You have your way and others have theirs but I'm sure the vast majority don't want every battle to be a draw.

[FRITZECAT2014 33]

A few hours ago, I spot a Rio CTF battle. 10 reds vs 7 (or 8) blues.

The blue team, winch includes several lower ranks, lost at this time 0/2.

"What an interesting challenge !" I said to myself. So I went into this battle.

Wow.... The majority of reds were decorated with the 2 or 3 light of supplies. (and generous with RK, believe me). They destroyed systematically all their opponents (who they were not on drugs). Even in 10 vs 6 they continued extravagantly to drug. My team obviously lost 0/10....

 

At the end, I looked the names of these unscrupulous players.

What a surprise ! Many of them had (beh....  probably a coincidence :huh:) the sames names of Ladies and Gentlemen who often come here give lessons of intelligence, and give a few days ago, lessons of sportmanship to a player who have a close relationship with this topic ;).

 

Personnaly my opinion is made on fair-play and commitment to mutual fun of these players.

 

This was however not a full drug battle...! But maybe they have a nice video of this sweet battle to share on Youtube

[RustyNail 1,538]

Well you must be in like 1% of the population. Tanki online is a competitive game.

Next you'll be handing out ice-creams while running a t-shirt campaign with "Druggers Out!" on them. 

 

You have your way and others have theirs but I'm sure the vast majority don't want every battle to be a draw.

Not all of the players should feel the way I do, neither should all act like I do. But if they changed a little bit their attitude towards fair play, Tanki would improve very much. Just a little bit. No overkills. No 10-0. What' wrong with 7-3, is this that bad? Even a losing person can feel satisfaction if they only get something out of it.

But my arguments are not meant to turn all players into Mother Teresa figures, but to agree on less drugging. Say, a 30% less than now.

Anyway, I think I 've made my point clear.

[A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N 503]

I haven't seen many battles which aren't one-sided. Even if the game ends in a tie, it's mostly that one team dominated the first half of the battle and then a heavy drugger joined the losing team an tied the score

Im hardly in one sided battles..... even if you saw me in a 3-0 ctf.... its probably because one of the strong players went afk for a few moments or 2 players left.

[RustyNail 1,538]

Im hardly in one sided battles..... even if you saw me in a 3-0 ctf.... its probably because one of the strong players went afk for a few moments or 2 players left. this leaves dejected proven right....... though you justify this "unfairness" - as you called it earlier- instead of unjustify like usuall

I suggest you think better than that.

There was no battle really, just an incident of a couple of minutes. Somebody else threw a flag before me and suggested to take it and take a couple more so that I finish my mission.

300 xp you know it's a quick job for a gssimo. Calculate the xp from first battle, not much was left.

But he shaw it as it happened and he presented it differently. Implying that I am a hypocrite. So not like it was really happened.

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

For the people who are all "hurr durr people don't use drugs at lower raankz", here's another gem for you: zGROBOVSCHIKz

 

Now I know I'm not allowed to "degrade" players, since our resident mod will be swift to bring down the silencer, but I will state my opinion. In my opinion, if you've used over 500 drugs, and you haven't even been playing the game for 20 hours, you have serious issues.

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

Im hardly in one sided battles..... even if you saw me in a 3-0 ctf.... its probably because one of the strong players went afk for a few moments or 2 players left. this leaves dejected proven right....... though you justify this "unfairness" - as you called it earlier- instead of unjustify like usuall

C'mon, serious?

 

Getting accused on a one sided battle when it was EXPRESSLY set up for mission completion, and that, only after the fact that opportunity showed it self?  Did you see the final score and point values?  It was a joke. 

 

Dominate would entail ACTUALLY DOING A LOT OF KILLING.

 

C'mon A_R_A_K_E_L_Y_E_N  you know this is not just hearsay, this man documented all of it, hell, he could have earned twice the monies he made in that one fight just playing instead of copying and organizing all that junk in the first place.

 

So yeah, no man, you can't go there with any credibility, at all.  This man did everything right, and he certainly didn't drug to do it either.

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

For the people who are all "hurr durr people don't use drugs at lower raankz", here's another gem for you: zGROBOVSCHIKz

 

Now I know I'm not allowed to "degrade" players, since our resident mod will be swift to bring down the silencer, but I will state my opinion. In my opinion, if you've used over 500 drugs, and you haven't even been playing the game for 20 hours, you have serious issues.

OMG, I compared their drug usage count to my own.  That's off the HOOK!  Either they are mentally challenged and cannot play hardly at all without the crutch, or yeah, they play every game they ever had with cheat codes and ponied up for all the extras.  Sheesh, that count was absolutely mind boggling.

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

Oh, on my way out to day, some "winner" yesterday or the day before, Patriot***####yadayaa, can't recall the name right, just the patriot part, was all up in my biznatch over my game play the other night.

 

Could stand I camp, could stand that I didn'ttake orders from him, couldn't stand that I didn't drug, could stand to exist apparently, breathing must bother him.

 

Anyways, speaking of bullies and incapable, when I finally decided to stop playing and take him up on his whining, he proceded to promptly say he had nothing to sayto me and put me on his ignore list, and for the record:

 

COMPLETE PAGEANT CIRCUIT REGULAR

 

Probably sleeps with a tiara when NOT playing Tanki, just because he is so used to wearing one.

 

Anyways, my dig of day.  Poor players with poor character and poor life skills (never mind actual game play skills).

[Benefactor 6,888]

Crap. I may have a drug problem....

[TG159 734]

My cousin has never ever bought crystals or drugs, and he has over 1k of each but not repair kit. He's WO3.

please do not cry that u dont have drugs.

[The-Operator219 1,929]

My cousin has never ever bought crystals or drugs, and he has over 1k of each but not repair kit. He's WO3.

please do not cry that u dont have drugs.

Your cousin from a tab over? I'd love to meet him.

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

This thread has become very petulant and pointless.

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

Who wouldn't want that reward? I would want it... I need those for parkour... :(

[Fresh 2,390]

This is why i play pro battles then i buy drugs so i own when pro pass finishes

[WoShiNewbie 55]

Sportsmanship is in people's mind and heart. Everybody can play fair, as long as everybody understands what's the situation in battle. For example, one of the pettiest things Tanki allows is spawn killing. Totally unsportsmanlike. There is no excuse for doing this, and every time I see it - no matter what side am I - I feel bad for the losing team.

On the opposite side of sportsmanship is "win by all means necessary". That's war. No need to simulate the hardness of war here. There is not anything more barbaric than war. In war anything can go in order to stay alive. In a game nobody's going to kill you, so you don't have to be so cruel and devoted to win. I know some people - friends even - are so devoted to winning, but I believe that a good game, a satisfying game comes through empathy and friendship and not through sheer victory.

I guess our view on sportsman differ. To me, sportsmanship is about everyone contributing to winning. If 50% to 70% of the people in your team drugs & you don't, then that's just poor play, honestly. That's just betraying your own team mates. I'm glad drugs exist somewhat because it helps to make the battlefield fairer against mults and noobs who do nothing!

 

[but I like drug free battles too. At my rank there's none, so...]

 

[Edit: But what do I know? I'm just a Major and you're the final rank guy. Maybe you're right and I'm inexperienced. IDK.]

[TankerTesters 13]

Hi

 

I thought I would share the point of view I have on the drugs in the game as a low ranked player.

I for one do/can not buy crystals. Because of this I am always having to continue to save up my crystals so I can have gear enough to compete with buyers. And because I save up I do not have a good enough reason to buy drugs. Despite this I can still use drugs once in a while (eg. gold box or really close to flag capture etc.) just not on a regular basis because the amount of supplies I can get from supplies is very limited.

Yet at my rank there are less druggers and I can usually pick up a box and be able to compete in regular battles with a drugger or two. I am rarely first in battle but I can still enjoy tanki and if I am careful with crystals, get good gear. I think it is fair for buyers to have an advantage in the game but I also think that this advantage should not be stretched to extreme proportions. This is a very interesting topic and I am glad many people take game balance seriously.

 

Note: For other none buyers or experienced people, how many crystals should I have by WO2? I have all hulls except viking and mammoth and all turrets except hammer.

 

- TankerTesters - 

[viratno2 146]

To all the arguments happening against players like RustyNail and Brubrook- please solve your issues via PM, please do not post off topic here.

BTW, whats up with this arguing, ethic talk, proving that he/she is not a hypocrite  etc..? Lets go back to the topic (even though its unlikely that Tanki will listen to us, after all they have not listened for 270 pages, why will they listen now? ) . Right now the issue being discussed is that even in low ranks there are druggers. We probably also need a second summary or something.

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

Hi

 

I thought I would share the point of view I have on the drugs in the game as a low ranked player.

Hi! Welcome to the topic! I'm honestly glad to see a lower-ranked player here, it makes me feel less nooby. Just keep your head down, there's a lot of flames going back and forth.

 

I for one do/can not buy crystals. Because of this I am always having to continue to save up my crystals so I can have gear enough to compete with buyers. And because I save up I do not have a good enough reason to buy drugs.

I know how that feels. Heck, to this day I don't think I've actually bought more than 10 drugs from the garage. I think I bought a few mines a while back, but that's beside the point.

 

Unless you're a buyer, you probably won't have enough crystals to buy drugs anyway, thereby furthering the # of drugs gap between buyers and non-buyers. Since it's VERY hard to get a lot of drugs without buying, most people assume all hardcore druggers are buyers, and I think that's a safe assumption considering most hardcore druggers I know have expensive kits. But I'm getting off topic again.

 

Yet at my rank there are less druggers and I can usually pick up a box and be able to compete in regular battles with a drugger or two. I am rarely first in battle but I can still enjoy tanki and if I am careful with crystals, get good gear.

I'm glad you've been so lucky with your Tanki career. I've run into druggers as low as Sergeant before, and I'm sure you've seen the infamous "Diamond Tiara" players (all 3 supplies active) we all dislike, and the even more lethal DARK (Double Armor/Repair Kit) combo used incessantly. I for one am against the constant abuse of these drugs, mainly because I think they cause a massive imbalance in the game that's based on money rather than skill, but that's just me.

 

I think it is fair for buyers to have an advantage in the game but I also think that this advantage should not be stretched to extreme proportions. This is a very interesting topic and I am glad many people take game balance seriously.

Glad to see you think the same way a lot of us non-buying, non-drugging tankers do. I really don't have anything to say here, you said it pretty darn well. ;)

 

Note: For other none buyers or experienced people, how many crystals should I have by WO2? I have all hulls except viking and mammoth and all turrets except hammer.

It really depends on what M1 combo you're after. I bought M1 Firebird and M1 Wasp because I like the combo, and since both M1's fairly cheap, I had about 20K spare crystals at WO2. If you bought something like Viking M1 or Smoky M1, you'd probably have less. And if you spent money on all the M0 hulls and turrets, tons of micro-upgrades, and all the lower-tier paints, you'd... probably be better off just starting over. ;)

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

OMG, I compared their drug usage count to my own.  That's off the HOOK!  Either they are mentally challenged and cannot play hardly at all without the crutch, or yeah, they play every game they ever had with cheat codes and ponied up for all the extras.  Sheesh, that count was absolutely mind boggling.

When players find themselves being the lone attackers in small/medium hulls against a camping, drugging enemy, you have to use supplies AND those supplies do not last the full course of the smart cooldown because typically you are destroyed very quickly after respawning. This means an attacker can go through much more than a defender or midfield player. It's not mind boggling.

 

I'll also add that usually, these players nearly always join battles from 2 to 10 flags down. Added incentive for the enemy to defend, drug and resist attack.

 

Mind boggling - hardly!

[Mr.Ace 1,116]

At my rank I'd rather save my crystals for m2s instead of wasting them on a 5,000 crystal pass (this is a lot of money for us low rankers). Even if I did buy a pro pass, there are only 2 games and both are in Sandbox + they are always full. For your idea of the whole non-drugging community to create no-drugs battle, most non druggers aren't on the forum and don't even know there is a no-drugs community.

That is what were trying to tell you save my crystals for m2s youre profile says that you have desert , twins m1 and wasp m1 well to be clear wasp m2 unlocks at and twins m2 on so you have a lot of ranks and if u buy a Pro Pass you will only get a decrease of 5000 crystals. or i suggest buying a supply kit for 17500 and deal with druggers with drugs and save em when u see no one is drugging and btw many people at your rank (unlike you) have a whole dump of m1s some have 8 m1s some have 5 and some even have all m1 turrets in their garages will if they focus on 1 or 2 or max 3 turrets m1 in their garage and 1,2,3 hulls in their garages they will automatically be able to buy m2 versions much easily in fact they will be able to save up more crystals and those extra crystals can be used to buy supplies instead of complaining about druggers.  at higher ranks you wont see many people complaining about druggers as every one buyer or not just knows that he needs to have spare crystals to buy drugs or have some drugs in their pocket and i suggest you buy a 1000 supply kit or 900 supply or what ever is available at your rank bcz they give a lot of discount then once you have bought a 1000 supply kit use ure drugs wisely were needed and you can even use that kit for 4 - 5 ranks and in those 4-5 ranks i assure you (if you're a good skilled player and you use those drugs in ure pocket wisely) that you will get more than 150% value back .

[omrot 2,327]

Disregarding the other bs you said; based upon what you've seen you make a consensus? Please. Just stop it. I understand you're with the anti-drugging party, but you fantasizing about the mass majority of battles being one-sided is crap, I'm sorry.

I really do not care about battles I have not played in. My information is based on the battles I have seen and played because that's what bothers me. The process I have explained earlier:

 

It usually goes this way:

 

It is 0-0 and the teams are pretty equal in power. Then, a heavy drugger joins one of the teams. He captures a flag a two without even sweating. 4 of his teammates see how easy it is with drugs so they start drugging with him. 10 minutes later, it is already 21-0 but from their point of view why should they stop drugging? And so they keep heavily drugging (even when it gets to the 34-0 part) and keep showing they have no sportsmanship at all. They never stop, it seems like once they start drugging, it is too late for them to turn back (even when its 10v4)

When I said "usually goes this way" I meant on most battle I have played in, this is how it goes. You haven't played the battles I have played simply because your rank is too high for me and therefore I don't think you can counter it

[Mr.Ace 1,116]

When players find themselves being the lone attackers in small/medium hulls against a camping, drugging enemy, you have to use supplies AND those supplies do not last the full course of the smart cooldown because typically you are destroyed very quickly after respawning. This means an attacker can go through much more than a defender or midfield player. It's not mind boggling.

 

I'll also add that usually, these players nearly always join battles from 2 to 10 flags down. Added incentive for the enemy to defend, drug and resist attack.

 

Mind boggling - hardly!

excatly , 100% agreed

[Mr.Ace 1,116]

omrot:

It is 0-0 and the teams are pretty equal in power. Then, a heavy drugger joins one of the teams. He captures a flag a two without even sweating. 4 of his teammates see how easy it is with drugs so they start drugging with him. 10 minutes later, it is already 21-0 but from their point of view why should they stop drugging? And so they keep heavily drugging (even when it gets to the 34-0 part) and keep showing they have no sportsmanship at all. They never stop, it seems like once they start drugging, it is too late for them to turn back (even when its 10v4)

 

my reply

 

So the enemy team when sees that the heavy drugger has joined its better for the enemy to start drugging before its too late 

[omrot 2,327]

That is what were trying to tell you save my crystals for m2s youre profile says that you have desert , twins m1 and wasp m1 well to be clear wasp m2 unlocks at and twins m2 on so you have a lot of ranks and if u buy a Pro Pass you will only get a decrease of 5000 crystals. or i suggest buying a supply kit for 17500 and deal with druggers with drugs and save em when u see no one is drugging and btw many people at your rank (unlike you) have a whole dump of m1s some have 8 m1s some have 5 and some even have all m1 turrets in their garages will if they focus on 1 or 2 or max 3 turrets m1 in their garage and 1,2,3 hulls in their garages they will automatically be able to buy m2 versions much easily in fact they will be able to save up more crystals and those extra crystals can be used to buy supplies instead of complaining about druggers.  at higher ranks you wont see many people complaining about druggers as every one buyer or not just knows that he needs to have spare crystals to buy drugs or have some drugs in their pocket and i suggest you buy a 1000 supply kit or 900 supply or what ever is available at your rank bcz they give a lot of discount then once you have bought a 1000 supply kit use ure drugs wisely were needed and you can even use that kit for 4 - 5 ranks and in those 4-5 ranks i assure you (if you're a good skilled player and you use those drugs in ure pocket wisely) that you will get more than 150% value back .

I will not use drugs, simply because I think its unethical. I know that if I use drugs to kill druggers, they'll also be used to kill their non-drugging teammates. Any way, wasp m2 locks at and twins m2 at . Right now I'm saving for digital and I actually have a PRO pass (but only because I'm addicted to parkour) and I can tell you that there are no simple battles