Reduce power of garage supplies

[TG159 734]

Whelp, no more non-turret-turning druggers for me at least. :3

Gratz on rank.

[TG159 734]

LOL You "think" ... not with your brains... Here is a serious discussion, don't drop too many funny things.. Try to comprehend something about drugging and in order to do so, you have to practice both sides and watch objectively.

Drugging for all makes no point. Drugging is effective only if there are some that drug and others that don't. Else we 're back in square 1, everybody equal to each other.

But while using a supply is good for the gameplay, using constantly supplies is not.

So please, stop repeating options that simply are not valid. :)

But then all can drug :3 and if u still decide not to, you cannot claim it's unfair, because it's cheap as ass

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

Using drugs to get a flag isn't considered drugging right?  :ph34r:  As long as it's not done 24/7

[TG159 734]

Using drugs to get a flag isn't considered drugging right?  :ph34r:  As long as it's not done 24/7

According to what I read here, drugging is fine unless it gives you an advantage. In this case it's giving you an advantage.

This topic says no

I say keep doing it and enjoy :3

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

Technically you wouldn't be drugging unless you needed that boost. When I'm playing normal non-pro CTF, I usually use Wasp and be a flag runner. Wasp vs three Titan-Twins-Vulcan and Viking-Isidas, I think it would be safe to say I'm not gaining any advantages. :)

 

-Check my profile and you'll see that my most used hull is Wasp and most used supply is DA. Keep in mind that I parkour a lot as well-

[TG159 734]

Technically you wouldn't be drugging unless you needed that boost. When I'm playing normal non-pro CTF, I usually use Wasp and be a flag runner. Wasp vs three Titan-Twins-Vulcan and Viking-Isidas, I think it would be safe to say I'm not gaining any advantages. :)

 

-Check my profile and you'll see that my most used hull is Wasp and most used supply is DA. Keep in mind that I parkour a lot as well-

Mine is DD, simply because that seems to be the drug I get in missions more.

I also cap flags with hornet (soon wasp m3) and yes, vs. an m3 Vulcan even da and repair kit it's very hard to cap.

[generalpotato_PRO 1,076]

You get knocked around soooo much and it's soo hard to steer; they're sooo annoying  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:

[BSG-62 512]

Solution found. Removal of drugs is worst way out.

Make drugs 5 crystals.

Done.

What's the point of having them then? Supplies were put in to give an advantage. Making them available to all gets partially gets rid of the advantage. Everyone would be using repair kits for everything. Sure, different drug combinations can change things a bit but making with everyone using repair kits, what would really be the point of even shooting?

[BSG-62 512]

That was so extremely, brilliantly, well-put. I wish I had bots to spam that Like button.

Tanks but think about this: how do you think Gangnam Style and Anaconda got all those likes? 

[AlphaNinjaGirl 537]

And drug poster-boy of the day (night) is xXPaulWalkerXx!

 

Well, looking at his profile might not reveal a lot of drugs (only about 20 per hour), but if you've ever played with this kid, you'll realize that he's clearly got more money off of Mom's Visa than kills off of his drugs. Yeah, did I mention that even with Preemie, having a lot of M2's, and constantly drugging, he still can't maintain a 1.00 K/D ratio? For shame, kiddo... for shame.

 

I'd usually ignore jerks like this, but he was such an asswipe that I have to give him credit. No really -- no sarcasm -- kudos to you for being the biggest jerk-off I've met so far. Not only did he drug incessantly and brag about his "skills", but when I told him that drugging is inferior to actual skill, he said that I was stupid and a "noob to Tanki" (I've been playing for about 2 years now, on multiple accounts). When I told him that I thought druggers sucked, he decided that was enough and screenshotted me for a ban.

 

Now while I doubt admins will take him seriously, I'm a bit nervous since I've been banned for less. But y'know what? If Tanki bans me for saying that druggers suck, that's because they're asswipes. In other news, grass grows, birds fly, the sun shines, and the Scout hurts people. It's natural.

 

If you ever meet him, feel free to give him a "Bro" gift saying "I'mma brofist your face for being such an immature twat."

 

Peace! ;)

[BSG-62 512]

And drug poster-boy of the day (night) is xXPaulWalkerXx!

 

Well, looking at his profile might not reveal a lot of drugs (only about 20 per hour), but if you've ever played with this kid, you'll realize that he's clearly got more money off of Mom's Visa than kills off of his drugs. Yeah, did I mention that even with Preemie, having a lot of M2's, and constantly drugging, he still can't maintain a 1.00 K/D ratio? For shame, kiddo... for shame.

 

I'd usually ignore jerks like this, but he was such an asswipe that I have to give him credit. No really -- no sarcasm -- kudos to you for being the biggest jerk-off I've met so far. Not only did he drug incessantly and brag about his "skills", but when I told him that drugging is inferior to actual skill, he said that I was stupid and a "noob to Tanki" (I've been playing for about 2 years now, on multiple accounts). When I told him that I thought druggers sucked, he decided that was enough and screenshotted me for a ban.

 

Now while I doubt admins will take him seriously, I'm a bit nervous since I've been banned for less. But y'know what? If Tanki bans me for saying that druggers suck, that's because they're asswipes. In other news, grass grows, birds fly, the sun shines, and the Scout hurts people. It's natural.

 

If you ever meet him, feel free to give him a "Bro" gift saying "I'mma brofist your face for being such an immature twat."

 

Peace! ;)

Sounds like a real brat. I'd be surprised if he were over 8. Someone's failed at their job of teaching him/her manners and common logical reasoning. If i ever meet him i'll say to him this: 'You are a classic example of the inverse ratio between the size of the mouth, and the size of the brain.' That shuts up the brats i know. 

[deadmanrising 715]

Its not difficult to see why world of tanks is miles ahead, they make smart business decisions  ^_^

[stawp_thundertime 275]

I have been stating that there are a lot of differences among gssimos.

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=277626&hl=

From recruit to Gssimo there are 1.400.000 xp points. In which time for one to acquire the points, one gets many crystals, buys combos & paints and acquires real experience too.

When a new Gssimo plays against a veteran Gssimo of 3.000.000 xp, the difference in xp is the same as  between a recruit and a Gssimo.

That is, wow...

My point being, in what you call Gssimo battles, there are the newbies and the veterans. And veterans have completed the garage, full M4 combos, perhaps fully MUed paints too. If you add unlimited supplies, you can see that it can be as savage (or one-sided) a battle as any other.

 

So, to answer your question, I think that yes, every player should be able to enjoy their level of power, but on a balanced basis. Playing with other players of the same "category". Not when a fully MUed combo on drugs is facing a half MUed combo without drugs... :)

I read that topic before  ;) 

I appreciate you anserwing, it got my thoughts back together.

 

Im not about overpowering, unless i really am pissed of by the behaviour of someone.

I think it's utterly stupid to drug as much as you can, not all battles demand that.

I would be willing to lose every poly cp, if the teams were equal.

I mostly use drugs to make the battles enjoyable, if i don't drug at all my team often lose hope and flees, leaving me with a game that has ended on the 1st 5 minutes, and is completely useless for anyones entertainment.

However a few are willing to win equally, and just crush their enemy completely. (every noise battle ever)

Against these kinds of players i need drugs, and that is why i think i will start to buy drug kits every now and then after generalissimo.

Ofc i could try to avoid those players, but they are really common, and often come to my battles.

[RustyNail 1,538]

Using drugs to get a flag isn't considered drugging right?  :ph34r:  As long as it's not done 24/7

I could go with that, provided you define what 24/7 means. If, however, it means that one spawns and drives the first 1/3 of the battlefield undrugged and then he drugs to go for the flag, in my book this is also drugging, and it is proven by the supplies per hour ratio.

Drugging is a certain percentage of real battle time. If one is more or less mostly on supplies (using garage supplies when drops are not handy) then this one is drugging. Not using supplies when you 're hiding in a corner and chatting, will not make you a non drugger. Facing opponents without supplies does.

[r_IMT-5390 150]

I could go with that, provided you define what 24/7 means. If, however, it means that one spawns and drives the first 1/3 of the battlefield undrugged and then he drugs to go for the flag, in my book this is also drugging, and it is proven by the supplies per hour ratio.

Drugging is a certain percentage of real battle time. If one is more or less mostly on supplies (using garage supplies when drops are not handy) then this one is drugging. Not using supplies when you 're hiding in a corner and chatting, will not make you a non drugger. Facing opponents without supplies does.

if I may ask,what is urs S/H limit which devides "drugger" from average player? :)

[The-Operator219 1,929]

if I may ask,what is urs S/H limit which devides "drugger" from average player? :)

9999999/an hour, or any excessive number.

Y'know, an addiction.

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

So, in light of some reads today, I felt like pointing to something that isn't necessarily completely drugs related, and please folks, lets not remind ME that THIS is a DRUGGING forum, trust me, I know, I'm memorialized in the Summary Document somewhere in the archive depths of this thread.

 

There is an interesting marker to be looked at here.  I find (and this IS A FINE LINE, the majority is not by that much, BUT) the majority of druggers with low K/Ds are close combat players.  They Use Hammers, Firebirds, and Izzies.  They buy heavy hulls, saunter over to the enemy base, fire up their stash, and just start shooting.  Many can't turn their turrets and really are surprisingly INCAPABLE of game play.

 

What's your point FOW?  This is a good thing right?  Clueless wonders, wandering the barrens of Tanki maps, easy pickings for skilled players, only a nuisance and an annoyance.  WELL, I'm glad ALL YOU asked that question, I'LL GLADLY TELL YOU why I think this is important since YOU ALL are asking.

 

You see, the power of negative impact is like those de-motivational posters out their, !diocy, never underestimate the power of fools in large numbers.  You see, I have theory after watching some of these players, and I find it interesting that very often they are on teams that seem to be able to capitalize on the brainless hulk-smash cavalier nature of the moron player of their team.  I firmly believe now that skilled druggers and teams actively monitor battles in which these mindless strung out players join and use them as useful noise.  Timing the movements of that teammate and allowing them to become the target practice and general wrecking ball for order on their own team, the better players then take advantage of the nit wits incursion to drug up themselves and take off with the flag.  I have noticed this now in a couple of battles.  I'm terrible at remembering who is who unless I'm dealing with them in the moment, and even then, I'm not keen on names and past play history, and yet this HAS stuck with me.  I have seen names posted here in the shame announcements, and I know these names, I have cursed these names, and on some occasions, noted that their game plays was SO terrible compared to the rest of the teams, that they were not "one of the gang" who had other wise joined, AND, note, the "not poor playing" team members arrived later in the battle, while the roving village !diot had been there since the game start.

 

This dynamic of being a mindless zombie 'tard drugger is actually like some sort of buffet option for better druggers and clans to prey upon, allowing them to save precious amounts of crystals, while the deaf, dumb, and blind leviathan stomps around like some wounded Godzilla in its death throes.  I'm wondering if anyone else has ever discerned this thread of clan and team "useful !diot" identification?  It's really eye opening to see how far some groups will go to get and maintain a competitive edge by all means, minus hands on game play, including this kind of behavior.  I did the process in my head and I imagine it must go like this . . .

 

1.  Team enters a battle

2.  Team notices fool with lots of drugs all the time that really can't impact the game directly

3.  Team bolsters fools impact by supporting them from distance, eliminating enemies, while sending a runner or two for a flag

4.  Team sees that the consistency of the fools ability to both simply drive onto target and drug and RK is incessant and flag captures are coming easily

5.  Team chats up fool, increases ego

6.  Team sends friend request to said fool

7.  Said fool, being said, well, fool, gladly accepts, feeling pretty "leet" now.

8.  Team now searches for fool every time they enter Tanki and simply join his battles when funds are high or the win is already on fools team's side.

 

Take away for team?

 

A. Better K/D as the opposing force is always preoccupied with trying to kill King Kong

B. Less need to burn their own drugs

C. Less peripheral noise from opposing team mates giving chase as the effects of the DD Hammer on DA Viking, both M2, take hold, RK'd too many times to even mention.

 

Someone spoke of rebalance.  If the stupidity of others, which is also an abject insult to game play, can be wholesale capitalized on by filthy and disgusting opportunists, then there is inherently a lot left in this game to rebalance, and drugs are clearly insidious and create situations never envisioned I imagine even by developers.

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

9999999/an hour, or any excessive number.

Y'know, an addiction.

Lulz

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Well that's where the term "Drugs" is used, correct?

Just excessive and almost addictive use.

[KrystenHunt16 128]

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=308015

 

 

 

Well at least it's only for a day, but this is the second time I've spoken up against Tanki's injustices and received a ban. C'mon guys, saying "Drugs suck, and if you drug you suck too" isn't a direct insult, and isn't profane either, so the only reason I can see why I received a ban is because Tanki doesn't like anti-druggers. I suppose I should just shut my mouth then, because they clearly don't listen to players like me...

 

On the flip side, I received a TON of gifts (on my other profile) overnight, including 3 golden wrenches. Am I popular? :P

[KrystenHunt16 128]

Sounds like a real brat. I'd be surprised if he were over 8. Someone's failed at their job of teaching him/her manners and common logical reasoning. If i ever meet him i'll say to him this: 'You are a classic example of the inverse ratio between the size of the mouth, and the size of the brain.' That shuts up the brats i know. 

Rhett and Link reference.

 

+5 admiration points. :P

[KrystenHunt16 128]

if I may ask,what is urs S/H limit which devides "drugger" from average player?

It's generally hard to tell who's a drugger just by looking at their profiles, since people with outrageous DPH (drugs per hour) ratios are rather rare.

 

Most druggers have "eh" DPH ratios, because they only started drugging about halfway into their Tanki career. These players will have DPH's of about 20-40. That doesn't mean they don't drug incessantly, it probably means that they used to not drug, but because of the pressure of the game they decided to take the easy route instead of playing with actual skills.

 

The obvious druggers will have DPH's that are 40+, the highest I've seen was around 160 (which is stupidly high). These players are generally buyers who have way too much money on their hands and prefer using that money to get an advantage over ethical players (instead of... y'know, donating to charity or something).

 

My personal DPH is 12.28 (not on this profile, on my alt that I play on), and it's mostly due to my "nitro addiction", but I've been able to tone it back by playing a lot of drug-less PRO battles, so I'm good. ;)

 

Basically, you can't tell who's a drugger and who's not solely by their DPH ratios, but if they drug often enough to make an impact on their profile, then they're clearly not ashamed of it.

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=308015

 

 

Well at least it's only for a day, but this is the second time I've spoken up against Tanki's injustices and received a ban. C'mon guys, saying "Drugs suck, and if you drug you suck too" isn't a direct insult, and isn't profane either, so the only reason I can see why I received a ban is because Tanki doesn't like anti-druggers. I suppose I should just shut my mouth then, because they clearly don't listen to players like me...

 

On the flip side, I received a TON of gifts (on my other profile) overnight, including 3 golden wrenches. Am I popular? :P

So let me get this right, the ban came from the IN GAME commentary, and not the post with the reference to the female intimate parts in this forum?

 

You were banned because you told twinkie binkie (that's me not getting banned while referencing his weak male intimate part) in game:

 

"Drugs suck, and if you drug you suck too"

 

Seriously, mods, admins, she can be banned for this, and yet when I'm called an A HOLE and a plethora of other things for being an EXTREMELY effective camper that NEVER drugs hardly, there is never a mod to come around and ban the absolutely vile throngs of jerks out there that deride me and my game play?  So what, if I don't pay to play, I'm persona non-Grata when it comes to decency rules, but if I drop money for crystals, I can't be touched by so much as a rose petal?

 

Ridiculous, just ridiculous.

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Are you sure that you only called him out for drugging?

I know your temper, and I'm willing to believe you said other things. To say the least, that is.

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

Are you sure that you only called him out for drugging?

I know your temper, and I'm willing to believe you said other things. To say the least, that is.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH, the plot thickens, now I have to watch quietly.  I am NOT questioning ANG's post, but I will say I am VERY surprised that someone can get banned for that.  As I said above, I've been subject to a lot worse than that myself, for nothing nothing more than camping and Shafting, and nothing has ever come of it except on the rarest of occasions.