Reduce power of garage supplies

[kayitsiz 621]

If you guys think drugs are no fair, play a no-drug game :)

or i think to easy? :wacko:

 

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[genak138 950]

I find that hard to accept. For two reasons.

First, the way usual battles go today, one needs at least 1-2 supplies per minute of battle, without counting drops. (you refer to counter drugging, so that means using at least one or two supplies all the time). That means, how much drugging time per day? Half an hour, ok, One hour, ok too. But what about players that spend 3-4 hours per day in battles? Definitely not enough supplies.

Second, say - for the sake of argument - that daily supplies are enough. Enough in number, that is. But not in kind. Why? Because daily bonus includes only one or two kinds os supplies, never all three. So, what do you do, you say to yourself "today I play with nitro and health only and tommorrow I will play with mines and DD"?

 

No, this possibility doesn't exist for players that spend a couple of hours (or more) daily. Even mods accept it, i.e. MAFIOZA121 that proposed a few weeks ago "growing" alt accounts just for every day logging in so that all accumulate the daily bonuses but use only one of them so that enough supplies are gathered for the others.

 

I am afraid that is is a standard argument that daily bonus is definitely not enough for counter drugging. (let along that I personally don't believe in counter drugging because it spoils the game as much as regular drugging).

Well, in my case, usually the amount of druggers on the teams are equal. I did say that already. If they're equal, don't drug. Simple. And then you'll find your drug count increasing in no time. You just have to only use a couple a day, which would be more than enough in the cases that I have been in. I understand that the battles are different at your rank, and my opinion may change by the time I get there, but right now I am fine with supplies.

[RustyNail 1,538]

If you guys think drugs are no fair, play a no-drug game :)

or i think to easy? :wacko:

It's not the first time I find you open your mouth before reading the already spoken opinions.... How about doing some reading first? :)

[RustyNail 1,538]

Well, in my case, usually the amount of druggers on the teams are equal. I did say that already. If they're equal, don't drug. Simple. And then you'll find your drug count increasing in no time. You just have to only use a couple a day, which would be more than enough in the cases that I have been in. I understand that the battles are different at your rank, and my opinion may change by the time I get there, but right now I am fine with supplies.

Ok, you can trust me that soon it will become really an issue, or just give it a couple of ranks... Either way.

[lazer1786 44]

It's not the first time I find you open your mouth before reading the already spoken opinions.... How about doing some reading first? :)

i dont like reading, if you like reading 64 page, be my guest

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That gets an up vote, and it tells me their is hope between the cultures of the world.  Carry on.

[Brubook 1,161]

If you guys think drugs are no fair, play a no-drug game :)

or i think to easy? :wacko:

The never ending series ....

 

"God gave you 2 ears and 1 mouth, so that you more listen than talk"

Bernardino da Siena (1380 – 1444)

 

Note that 6 centuries have not been enough to learn a concept :)

[Brubook 1,161]

i dont like reading, if you like reading 64 page, be my guest

It is a long discussion, I know ... but 1 or 2 pages would be enough!

And if you don't want to read that much, read at least post #1

 

And if you don't want to read even that .... why are you here?

[Brubook 1,161]

Well, in my case, usually the amount of druggers on the teams are equal. I did say that already. If they're equal, don't drug. Simple. And then you'll find your drug count increasing in no time. You just have to only use a couple a day, which would be more than enough in the cases that I have been in. I understand that the battles are different at your rank, and my opinion may change by the time I get there, but right now I am fine with supplies.

If you think that using 2-3 drugs a day is what we define as "drugger" or "overdrugging", you got it completely wrong!

With the supply usage you describe noone of us would even think to complain ... SCD system wouldn't be needed either!

 

But as there are buyers (adding purchases to daily amount), you can easily see that the situation you describe is not really the most common! Noone would need to buy with that usage!

 

Even if the discussion is also about drugs overpower, with that usage even a +100% drugs overpowering (as it is now) would be accepted because it wouldn't sensibly alter the battle balance.

[RustyNail 1,538]

i dont like reading, if you like reading 64 page, be my guest

If you don't like reading you should use some practice in school. You can't go far without reading.

[WowYouSuckSoMuch 0]

I think that druggers are just people who have no life and don't know how to play. I'm actually ok with druggers as long as they have hunter or less 'cause i use isida :ph34r: Also, isida is the best and friend me!!!!!

[RustyNail 1,538]

Today is indeed noobs' day.... :angry:

 

 

 

 

I guess I should go for a walk instead of playing this lame game... -_-

[kayitsiz 621]

That gets an up vote, and it tells me their is hope between the cultures of the world.  Carry on.

aa thanks!  :)

[Brubook 1,161]

Another "balanced" battle. I was in and the blue side was mostly a bounch of running xmas trees on the first 5 score positions!!

Ah, by the way we (reds) started with 4-2 score before the typhoon!

 

 

Dam sad!!

[HellfireCommando 179]

Rusty nail. We understand how it's annoying how druggers destroy everything easily, and I agree with you. However, by doing these sort of rant posts, it puts the ideas that many players have offered further down in the topic, and makes them hard to find. Not to mention, posts such as yours don't contribute to the topic. There are a lot of good ideas here, but they're just so difficult to find because of all the posts you and many others have posted. I think this topic should be treated more like a Ideas and suggestions about how to fix drugs topic, and not a conversational one with multiple posts just made as rants. If that's what it's meant for, a mod might as well move it out of the ideas and suggestions forum. I think this topic should just be made as an area where players can post their ideas, give feedback on them and there could possible be another topic where completed ideas are posted by someone. Do note, this isn't just directed at @RustyNail , but to all the users posting those sort of rants.

[RustyNail 1,538]

Rusty nail. We understand how it's annoying how druggers destroy everything easily, and I agree with you. However, by doing these sort of rant posts, it puts the ideas that many players have offered further down in the topic, and makes them hard to find. Not to mention, posts such as yours don't contribute to the topic. There are a lot of good ideas here, but they're just so difficult to find because of all the posts you and many others have posted. I think this topic should be treated more like a Ideas and suggestions about how to fix drugs topic, and not a conversational one with multiple posts just made as rants. If that's what it's meant for, a mod might as well move it out of the ideas and suggestions forum. I think this topic should just be made as an area where players can post their ideas, give feedback on them and there could possible be another topic where completed ideas are posted by someone. Do note, this isn't just directed at @RustyNail , but to all the users posting those sort of rants.

I understand your point of view.

However, I have to make clear that there is a reason for these "rants" you mention. And there is a structure into this topic, that is self-supporting and ends to a proposition.

Furthermore, these pics are not meant to insult players for using supplies. They are meant to expose the unbalanced conditions of many many battles of these days, as well as the emotions roused by this unbalance. Misuse of supplies is Tanki's rensonsibility, not players'. (I didn't give a second thought to these opponents that appear in the pics. I have no personal issue with them, I hold no grunge. The pics are just footage for an issue)

 

This topic addresses both to Devs and players. My random collection of over-using supplies players images are heading towards players. Players have to understand what really means for a battle if even 1-2 players use supplies constantly while most just don't. Especially low rank players should know for sure that drugging issue only gets worse up the rank ladder. These images are proofs of that.

So, please bear with me for a couple of days more and this topic will be complete, as a revising of data that support certain aspects / ideas.

[Brubook 1,161]

Rusty nail. We understand how it's annoying how druggers destroy everything easily, and I agree with you. However, by doing these sort of rant posts, it puts the ideas that many players have offered further down in the topic, and makes them hard to find. Not to mention, posts such as yours don't contribute to the topic. There are a lot of good ideas here, but they're just so difficult to find because of all the posts you and many others have posted. I think this topic should be treated more like a Ideas and suggestions about how to fix drugs topic, and not a conversational one with multiple posts just made as rants. If that's what it's meant for, a mod might as well move it out of the ideas and suggestions forum. I think this topic should just be made as an area where players can post their ideas, give feedback on them and there could possible be another topic where completed ideas are posted by someone. Do note, this isn't just directed at @RustyNail , but to all the users posting those sort of rants.

Thank you for comment, HellfireCommando

 

Even if some "rants" may seem useless, the give a very useful figure ... that is the sentiment, the actual mood of players who more and more often have to face with overpowered typhoons cancelling off any concept of "nice playing", "sportmanship" or "pleasure to play".

 

Many posts also show these awful situations and they are useful to make clear ideas (because sometimes what we say seem "unbelievable" for some players). Also, as you say, there are many and many ideas and suggestion on how the problem can be reduced or solved (we may agree with them or not), promoted by RustyNail and many others.

 

It is not possible (and not right and democratic) to control all the contributions here. Things have to be taken as players post them! And that is the way we want them!

 

You are right on the difficulty to find the actual technical ideas and suggestions. We are working on a "sum-up", which will make reading easier.

 

B.

[Chameleos 157]

Well, I'm playing with my WO1 account with this smoky as main gun (m1+mu):

 

 

sometimes it isn't enough to defeat druggers (yes, sometimes they drug even more than brigadiers) so i have to counter...

having a gun this MUed at wo1 with m2 unlock at colonel should be strong enough, no? Only for hornets...

my years of experience+mu are barely enough to defeat the Xmas tanks.

I never expected so many WO ranks to use them honestly, the battle list is exactly like you describe here, 5-0,12-1, etc...

[HellfireCommando 179]

I would like to say also, health really needs a nerf. It's basically something that gives you full health, AND makes you invulnerable for 5 secs, along with taking away all negative effects. It basically just gives a player the ability to not have to shoot back and just drive around. Honestly, DA users, use health a lot too because of how it gives them now with DA, the equivalent of 500 hp, instead of 250 hp. Perhaps health could only heal up to the tank's base health amount (so half heal when using DA), doesn't last, just does an insta-heal perhaps, and can take off effects.

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Lol.

 

 

I just loved the idea Rusty and Rohrmeister(On another thread) said,side effects for drugs.Its probably the best idea given in this thread.

Here's my variant:1) If you use double armour,then repair kits heal only 50%.

2) Double power increases the damage you receive by 20%(could be changed)

3) Nitro,well it isnt OP,so there's no problem with it

4) I couldn't think of nerfing repair kits in anyway other than increasing cool-down.

 

Well,what do you think of these?(I think Rusty or Rohrmeister said some of these before)

 

 

It seems none of the mods are here,posting.Looks like our problems aren't "important".

[kayitsiz 621]

Lol.

 

 

I just loved the idea Rusty and Rohrmeister(On another thread) said,side effects for drugs.Its probably the best idea given in this thread.

Here's my variant:1) If you use double armour,then repair kits heal only 50%.

2) Double power increases the damage you receive by 20%(could be changed)

3) Nitro,well it isnt OP,so there's no problem with it

4) I couldn't think of nerfing repair kits in anyway other than increasing cool-down.

 

Well,what do you think of these?(I think Rusty or Rohrmeister said some of these before)

 

 

It seems none of the mods are here,posting.Looks like our problems aren't "important".

With this, still druggers should have great power, but just not " a lot".

I don't know where is the limit of this " a lot", but side effects...

[L.E.P.A.Z.U 5]

Only problem in tanki is drugs

Game work lot better if drugs arent so owerpowered and the ground drops supllies less usually

In tanki turrets are little bit too owerpowered too

Like a ricoshet, firebird, hammer, vulcan, thunder

[fufususumumu1 240]

Rusty nail. We understand how it's annoying how druggers destroy everything easily, and I agree with you. However, by doing these sort of rant posts, it puts the ideas that many players have offered further down in the topic, and makes them hard to find. Not to mention, posts such as yours don't contribute to the topic. There are a lot of good ideas here, but they're just so difficult to find because of all the posts you and many others have posted. I think this topic should be treated more like a Ideas and suggestions about how to fix drugs topic, and not a conversational one with multiple posts just made as rants. If that's what it's meant for, a mod might as well move it out of the ideas and suggestions forum. I think this topic should just be made as an area where players can post their ideas, give feedback on them and there could possible be another topic where completed ideas are posted by someone. Do note, this isn't just directed at @RustyNail , but to all the users posting those sort of rants.

agreed!

 

I understand your point of view.

However, I have to make clear that there is a reason for these "rants" you mention. And there is a structure into this topic, that is self-supporting and ends to a proposition.

Furthermore, these pics are not meant to insult players for using supplies. They are meant to expose the unbalanced conditions of many many battles of these days, as well as the emotions roused by this unbalance. Misuse of supplies is Tanki's rensonsibility, not players'. (I didn't give a second thought to these opponents that appear in the pics. I have no personal issue with them, I hold no grunge. The pics are just footage for an issue)

 

This topic addresses both to Devs and players. My random collection of over-using supplies players images are heading towards players. Players have to understand what really means for a battle if even 1-2 players use supplies constantly while most just don't. Especially low rank players should know for sure that drugging issue only gets worse up the rank ladder. These images are proofs of that.

So, please bear with me for a couple of days more and this topic will be complete, as a revising of data that support certain aspects / ideas.

it  might be used to expose the druggers and the terrible current situation of the game, but as a result it drowns out the valuable ideas and suggestions being proposed in this topic.

dunno how to stop this, maybe you should be the only person to post these pictures (and only taking up one post per page approx.) and others with these pics can pass it to you and you can display it on the page...

this is getting so bad that i can't even find my previous post on this page which i posted yesterday! 

this is so that more focus can be put on both the situation and the ways to solve it.

[beaku 2,656]

agreed!

 

it might be used to expose the druggers and the terrible current situation of the game, but as a result it drowns out the valuable ideas and suggestions being proposed in this topic.

dunno how to stop this, maybe you should be the only person to post these pictures (and only taking up one post per page approx.) and others with these pics can pass it to you and you can display it on the page...

this is getting so bad that i can't even find my previous post on this page which i posted yesterday!

this is so that more focus can be put on both the situation and the ways to solve it.

You know you can use search function to search for posts, right?

[fufususumumu1 240]

You know you can use search function to search for posts, right?

wow, really?i thought search in tanki was pretty crappy to even do that (half the time i dont even find this page when i search for it)