GROWING NUMBER OF MULTS

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

I posted this in another topic similar to this one. 
 
 
Do I think "multing" is the main problem?
My short answer is yes, but it is bigger then that.
 
Multing is a result of a poorly set up in game economic system. Tanki is not a cheap game to play. It takes very large amounts of crystals to purchase the equipment and supplies to stay competitive. Tanki may be free to play but is most definitely pay to win.
 
So what options are there for getting crystals?

1. We all know that you can buy them for real money, but this is not possible for all players. This option has also created a real imbalance at all levels.
2. You can get them as a gift. This has never been a real source of crystals. I think I have only gotten free crystals a dozen times in 2 years.
3. You can earn them, which unless you are real good or have real good equipment is very slow.

We all know that you can't do much in this game without crystals. We can also see it is very hard to get them. So if the first 3 options are not working you will need to resort to something a little more dishonest or unethical.This is where multing, sabotage, and raiding come in.
 
I think that the economic system needs to be re-worked. It needs to set up in such a way to allow players more ways to earn the crystals in an honest way. As I already mentioned, earning crystals in battle is not easy or fast. It requires you to be in the top few places on the winning team.I have seen mults on the winning team earn more crystals them hard fighting players on the losing team. That is not right or fair and needs to be fixed.
So how do you insure that you will be the in top few spots on the winning team? If you're a "buyer" with the best equipment money can buy, you stand a good chance, but it is far from a guaranty. You still need to part of something bigger. For non buyers it is even harder. Both buyers and non buyers have now resorted to using mults and saboteurs and/or joining a group who's whole propose is to insure it's members always win. These groups have become very creative at raiding honest players of crystals. 
 
Raiders come in 2 forms.

 

1. This 1st group shouldn't really be called raiders.They are groups of players that move from battle to battle as a group, looking for battles with enough free space so all members can join the same team. Sometimes they take over a battle and effectively "raid" it, but they do not resort to dishonest and unethical tactics to win. They do not use mults or sabotage. Many, in fact, will play with honor and except a lose when it comes, with dignity. I don't really have a problem with this group. Many of these are Clans and this is what clans do. It may seem like raiding but it is just team play.
2. The dishonest group. These guys and gals travel in packs, like scavengers, looking for any battles that they can load up the teams in order to gain the advantage. They resort to using mults, sabotage and even cheats. They almost always are using some form of external communication. I have seen groups that will have members on both sides of a battle and take turns being on the winning team. They are "raiding" the random players that join both sides. Members will usually not kill each other, only the random players. They work together to make sure their members are in the top spots on both teams. There are even groups that share accounts. They have a large pool of accounts and members know the passwords to any of these accounts. They can use them as mults, sabotage or use them for free kills in order to increase the battle fund. They try to build all the accounts up with good equipment so the "members" don't really care what account they are using or whether they are winners this battle or next. They also don't need to worry about bans either because members will just switch to another account.

So in summary, the problem is that it is nearly impossible to police a problem like this. So to me the solutions is to remove the need to steel the crystals and give players a better chance of earning them honestly. Reworking the economic system is the best solution.
 
Here is a link to a topic I started some time ago about this issue. Campaign against Mults and Saboteurs  You can have a read if you like, there is some more interesting discussion in it as well.

Edited June 15, 2015 by Canadian_Eh

[Zakintosh 39]

They don't even need to be inactive, but sometimes i see people with higher ranks than mine running around with m0-m1 stuff.

I mean c'mon.

[Zakintosh 39]

I posted this in another topic similar to this one. 

 

 

Do I think "multing" is the main problem?

My short answer is yes, but it is bigger then that.

 

Multing is a result of a poorly set up in game economic system. Tanki is not a cheap game to play. It takes very large amounts of crystals to purchase the equipment and supplies to stay competitive. Tanki may be free to play but is most definitely pay to win.

 

So what options are there for getting crystals?

•  

• We all know that you can buy them for real money, but this is not possible for all players. This option has also created a real imbalance at all levels.

• You can get them as a gift. This has never been a real source of crystals. I think I have only gotten free crystals a dozen times in 2 years.

• You can earn them, which unless you are real good or have real good equipment is very slow.

We all know that you can't do much in this game without crystals. We can also see it is very hard to get them. So if the first 3 options are not working you will need to resort to something a little more dishonest or unethical.This is where multing, sabotage, and raiding come in.

 

I think that the economic system needs to be re-worked. It needs to set up in such a way to allow players more ways to earn the crystals in an honest way. As I already mentioned, earning crystals in battle is not easy or fast. It requires you to be in the top few places on the winning team.I have seen mults on the winning team earn more crystals them hard fighting players on the losing team. That is not right or fair and needs to be fixed.

So how do you insure that you will be the in top few spots on the winning team? If you're a "buyer" with the best equipment money can buy, you stand a good chance, but it is far from a guaranty. You still need to part of something bigger. For non buyers it is even harder. Both buyers and non buyers have now resorted to using mults and saboteurs and/or joining a group who's whole propose is to insure it's members always win. These groups have become very creative at raiding honest players of crystals. 

 

Raiders come in 2 forms.

•  

• This 1st group shouldn't really be called raiders.They are groups of players that move from battle to battle as a group, looking for battles with enough free space so all members can join the same team. Sometimes they take over a battle and effectively "raid" it, but they do not resort to dishonest and unethical tactics to win. They do not use mults or sabotage. Many, in fact, will play with honor and except a lose when it comes, with dignity. I don't really have a problem with this group. Many of these are Clans and this is what clans do. It may seem like raiding but it is just team play.

• The dishonest group. These guys and gals travel in packs, like scavengers, looking for any battles that they can load up the teams in order to gain the advantage. They resort to using mults, sabotage and even cheats. They almost always are using some form of external communication. I have seen groups that will have members on both sides of a battle and take turns being on the winning team. They are "raiding" the random players that join both sides. Members will usually not kill each other, only the random players. They work together to make sure their members are in the top spots on both teams. There are even groups that share accounts. They have a large pool of accounts and members know the passwords to any of these accounts. They can use them as mults, sabotage or use them for free kills in order to increase the battle fund. They try to build all the accounts up with good equipment so the "members" don't really care what account they are using or whether they are winners this battle or next. They also don't need to worry about bans either because members will just switch to another account.

So in summary, the problem is that it is nearly impossible to police a problem like this. So to me the solutions is to remove the need to steel the crystals and give players a better chance of earning them honestly. Reworking the economic system is the best solution.

 

Here is a link to a topic I started some time ago about this issue. Campaign against Mults and Saboteurs  You can have a read if you like, there is some more interesting discussion in it as well.

 

It would be nice to earn some crystals when you leave a battle while it is still going on. For example, you battle for hours but cannot finish the battle for whatever reason, you would still get the amount that you put effort into.

[WhosYourBuddy 56]

I'd like to report the following gamers for MULTing during games which occurred on June 16th, 2015 (1258 - 1322 EST) (1858 - 1922UTC) 

 

ortiga.com & deadmanrising.com

 

[WhosYourBuddy 56]

I'd also like to report DanielPol.dc for MULTing during the game on June 16th, 2015 @ (1811 EST or 0024 UDT)

[BuriedSky 1,319]

 

I'd like to report the following gamers for MULTing during games which occurred on June 16th, 2015 (1258 - 1322 EST) (1858 - 1922UTC)

 

ortiga.com & deadmanrising.com

 

 

1) the middle pic is too unclear..

2) u can also report this in "game violators" section to be replied quickly..

[Zakintosh 39]

WhosYourBuddy:

I don't get the 2 first pics. maybe he was lagging.

The third one about deadmanrising; he did nothing, no kills , no deaths. does not make anyone a mult.

He could have just joined.

[ireland_tanker 375]

you need video proof .. pics are not sufficient.  also you report them in the violators section 

[WhosYourBuddy 56]

I guess I really need to also capture the chat log too. The photos are larger if you click on them.

 

In the 1st 2 images ortega.com was not joining the entire game and we were 6 minutes in to the game. He left just after I took the 1st screen shot.

 

In the 3rd image, I was not the only requesting that deadmanrising.com be voted in the chat log and you can see that in the last few lines. I was just the only on the blue team to take a screen shot.

 

The 4th image has DanielPol.dc a 4 star with a D/L of 0.26, he was just waiting for the gold box to drop the entire game without actually playing.

 

Having the video recording slows my FPS down considerably but will try to make further attempts in the future.

Edited June 18, 2015 by WhosYourBuddy

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

 

The 4th image has DanielPol.dc a 4 star with a D/L of 0.26, he was just waiting for the gold box to drop the entire game without actually playing.

 

Maybe we have to change the way the gold box works. If the devs were brave enough to remove crystal boxes then I'm sure they can do something for golds too.

 

Think. Are there any suggestions we can make for gold drops that stop players waiting for them. Criteria: Need excitement and not open to abuse.

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

I guess I really need to also capture the chat log too. The photos are larger if you click on them.

 

In the 1st 2 images ortega.com was not joining the entire game and we were 6 minutes in to the game. He left just after I took the 1st screen shot.

 

In the 3rd image, I was not the only requesting that deadmanrising.com be voted in the chat log and you can see that in the last few lines. I was just the only on the blue team to take a screen shot.

 

The 4th image has DanielPol.dc a 4 star with a D/L of 0.26, he was just waiting for the gold box to drop the entire game without actually playing.

 

Having the video recording slows my FPS down considerably but will try to make further attempts in the future.

Sometimes a succession of screenshots that show a passage of time and evidence of inactivity are good enough. I have successfully reported players that way. I would suggest 3 or 4 screenshots over a period of more than 5 minutes. It must be over 5 minutes due to the fact that Tanki allows players to be on pause for 5 mins. Which in and of itself is stupid but that is just my opinion.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

The 4th image has DanielPol.dc a 4 star with a D/L of 0.26, he was just waiting for the gold box to drop the entire game without actually playing.

 

Just suggested this to suggestions:

 

"Currently when a gold box falls, everyone is eligible to take it.

This includes those who join battles who do nothing except ask the question, "Gold yet?"

 

Let's make a change so that only those who are contributing can take the box.

It's quite simple and it works in a similar way to the Kick2 suggestion. (The most liked suggestion in tanki)

 

Get the Mean score for the players on your side.

Get the Mean work rate for the players on your side.

Only players who have achieved 55% or more of either Mean are allowed to take the Gold.

 

Those who don't meet the required score or work rate are exhibiting mult-like behaviour and therefore not allowed to get the box.

 

This will only encourage players to participate and contribute."

[SatansRotweiler 44]

in a battle, going well, we had mult mixalis41 , sabotaging the whole time and doing nothing.

asked him what he was doing,  he said "sex man", warrant officer on the team was able to kill people, yet milaxis couldnt do anything, said i would report him but he didn't care. and his friend on other team sabashuba100 telling him not to leave.

games a joke now, if i reported he probably get a day or a week ban at most. in fourth image 0 kills 29 deaths, fifth image 0 kills 32 deaths, finished up 2 kills, 36 deaths. lowest rank on team could manage 53 kills 87 deaths. this game has become a total joke. i voted him but he was still there right to the end. i will report in violators section and report back if he was given any token ban.

 

IT IS THE PLAYERS THAT ARE VIOLATING NOT THE ACCOUNT, NEED TO BAN THE PLAYER AND ANY ACCOUNT ASSSOCIATED WITH THEM TO MAKE A BAN WORTH GIVING.

 

 

http://postimg.org/image/we0sd4f91/

 

http://postimg.org/image/b5n3vp0s5/

 

http://postimg.org/image/g5kk3n6et/

 

http://postimg.org/image/dpiqpsoc5/

 

http://postimg.org/image/wvvxsz4tx/

 

http://postimg.org/image/npdn5ozlh/

Edited June 19, 2015 by SatansRotweiler

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

in a battle, going well, we had mult mixalis41 , sabotaging the whole time and doing nothing.

asked him what he was doing,  he said "sex man", warrant officer on the team was able to kill people, yet milaxis couldnt do anything, said i would report him but he didn't care. and his friend on other team sabashuba100 telling him not to leave.

games a joke now, if i reported he probably get a day or a week ban at most. in fourth image 0 kills 29 deaths, fifth image 0 kills 32 deaths, finished up 2 kills, 36 deaths. lowest rank on team could manage 53 kills 87 deaths. this game has become a total joke. i voted him but he was still there right to the end. i will report in violators section and report back if he was given any token ban.

 

IT IS THE PLAYERS THAT ARE VIOLATING NOT THE ACCOUNT, NEED TO BAN THE PLAYER AND ANY ACCOUNT ASSSOCIATED WITH THEM TO MAKE A BAN WORTH GIVING.

 

 

http://postimg.org/image/we0sd4f91/

 

http://postimg.org/image/b5n3vp0s5/

 

http://postimg.org/image/g5kk3n6et/

 

http://postimg.org/image/dpiqpsoc5/

 

http://postimg.org/image/wvvxsz4tx/

 

http://postimg.org/image/npdn5ozlh/

He didn't care because if that account gets banned he will just use another one. He was there for cannon fodder for his friends on the other side. Next battle he will be on the winning side. Tanki has lost complete control of the situation.Tanki needs to figure out a way to only make it profitable if you actually play and fine the ones who are sabotaging the game.

[SatansRotweiler 44]

Had a look to see update but nothing, complaints from 19 jun 2015 02:29am jumps straight to 20 jun 2015 20:20pm.

looks like whoever was handling these just deleted their workload.

sums it up for me really, you take screenshots, you report and you get a brick wall.

[SatansRotweiler 44]

Had a look to see update but nothing, complaints from 19 jun 2015 02:29am jumps straight to 20 jun 2015 20:20pm.

looks like whoever was handling these just deleted their workload.

sums it up for me really, you take screenshots, you report and you get a brick wall.

ok it has since appeared, must have been back logged.

 

nope, it was insufficient proof for a ban, use of video suggested , not happening, i lag as it is.

 

only thing you can do is leave battle, keep your battles to 15 mins max to minimise your losses.

 

cheaters 1, players 0.

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

Mults are now being used at very low ranks as well. I was in a battle that had a max rank of  and there was 4 mults on my team and at 1 point 6. I assume they belonged to the 2 top players on the opposite side as they were the ones that were laughing about it. It is really sad that Tanki are to blind to see the problem.

 

 

Oh look, a picture of the peak server load and the owners.

[Xenophobia 457]

This is too good not to post. 

 

 

M1 combo in a generalissimo battle where everyone uses M3+..... And as always nothing happened, even though I used /vote  :)

[canadarules 1,938]

This is too good not to post. 

 

 

M1 combo in a generalissimo battle where everyone uses M3+..... And as always nothing happened, even though I used /vote  :)

 

and sucks to  be you a mod must have not been on

[wild001 786]

This is too good not to post. 

 

 

M1 combo in a generalissimo battle where everyone uses M3+..... And as always nothing happened, even though I used /vote  :)

 

 

have seen that happens a lot, if they score well, it is hard to put a ban as well,

 

since I have seens tons of kids keep microupgrade m1, and have no saving habbit to have enough crystal m2s. ;)

most of them under 10 years old, what you expect.

 

unless you want to waste time reporting them and as well as lost a battle,

 

just leave and join a winning side battle,

Edited June 24, 2015 by wild001

[Xenophobia 457]

have seen that happens a lot, if they score well, it is hard to put a ban as well,

 

since I have seens tons of kids keep microupgrade m1, and have no saving habbit to have enough crystal m2s. ;)

most of them under 10 years old, what you expect.

 

unless you want to waste time reporting them and as well as lost a battle,

 

just leave and join a winning side battle,

That guy was at the bottom of the score board. At such rank he really should be playing with M3s. I waited for a few mins but nothing happened and I left.

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

There are so many ways Tanki could fight this problem but they choose to do nothing. 

[canadarules 1,938]

Play better and the mult won't matter... eventually the noob will get bored and leave or a mod will come

[wild001 786]

Play better and the mult won't matter... eventually the noob will get bored and leave or a mod will come

 

noob mult is fine, but what if the mult is from a raid team with all generalismo drugging fill up all the empty slot, and hopelessly drive all your teammate to leave,

 

and they keep put into weak mult in your side.

 

I have seen too many times these happens, the only hope to win is fight together with friends that can drug and dont leave when they come.

Edited June 25, 2015 by wild001

[Perfect_Skillsz 78]

have seen that happens a lot, if they score well, it is hard to put a ban as well,

 

since I have seens tons of kids keep microupgrade m1, and have no saving habbit to have enough crystal m2s. ;)

most of them under 10 years old, what you expect.

 

unless you want to waste time reporting them and as well as lost a battle,

 

just leave and join a winning side battle,

what if it was full?