Tanki Online Debating Society

[beaku 2,656]

I need more popcorn...

Sorry, I finished it all :ph34r:

[r_davinson46463a0 147]

Damnit >.<

[T.O.T.A.L.W.A.R 581]

beaku Am glad that you are still here since we can elaborate more on our points.

 

I seriously don't care how many scientists like him deny facts. 

Let me introduce to you noam chomsky since he is not just any scientist infact he helped in pioneering

The A.I field. he is the author of the book syntactic structures where he single handedly invented context-free

Grammars .. now what is context free grammars ? they are structures where one of there uses is describing

the structure of modern high level programming language (backus naur form as an example)  because back

in the 40's people were actually writing programs with 0's and 1's it was a tedious and consuming task to write

Programs in 0's and 1's that required alot of training and time to write very primitive programs , then

came assemblers .. come Noam Chomsky with his theories, modern high level programming languages

(lisp ,fortan  , c , prolog ...etc) Were born.

 

His theories are fundamental to the theory of computation specially program correctness.

 

You said he denies facts yet you presented none.

 

Just go back 300 years and tell the most respected scientist of that time that you can talk to someone millions of miles away wireless. They'd probably chop your head off! If there is a concept it like singularity, it will be reached, no matter how many Noams try to deny it.

OK , i said earlier that the aircraft analogy is irrelevant here but it seems you didn't understand the hint. so

in repling to this childlish logic let me explain the following.

 

A.I in it current form was established out of a conference in Dartmouth college in 1956 

The gang of 5 herbert simon ,marvin minsky  john mccarthy , allen newell, arthur Samuel.

 

It was after ww2 when the us government had tons of money to spend and any scientist who could

Sell his ideas like a marketing pro was assured to get funding so they gave it this catchy name

A.I !!!!!!!!!!. by the way they thought they can make strong ai programs in a 3 month

Workshop back in 1956 :lol: . 

 

Now i made this intro because it's essential to the last claim you made and relevant to the topic of A.I

As a whole.

 

Herbert simon one of the  A.I founders made the following claim back in 1965 

"machines will be capable, within twenty years, of doing any work a man can do"  :lol: .

 

Marvin Minsky of the  A.I founders made the following claim back in 1967

"Within a generation ... the problem of creating 'artificial intelligence' will substantially be solved"  :lol: .

 

Marvin Minsky again in 1970 "In from three to eight years we will have a machine with the

general intelligence of an average human being"  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

 

Now what is the relation between Noam chomsky and those A.I founders??!!! they actually know 

each other and noam chomsky was one of those who gave them a reality check and exposed

There marketing tricks (past and present) to be nothing more than inflated hubris. not just that back

in the early days of A.I research Behaviorism was one of the likely paths to explore A.I .  chomsky 

Works in linguistics decimated the Behaviorism trend by explaining it's fallacies and saved A.i from this

useless path , he and other have showed time after time that the claims made by A.I scientists

Are unattainable backed by scientific evidence.

 

So in this case the ones that are making outlandish rogue claims are the founders of the field itself

Not Chomsky. now let us take a pause and look back why do respectable people like the founders

Of the A.I would make such claims ... well you will not find the answer in A.I itself ... you will find it

In the politics of funding research projects.

 

One last note the analogy of the aircraft as i recall was made by lord kelvin who said lighter than

Air vehicles are not possible .. is this what you are referring to ? if so i read about this long

Time ago he didn't provide any evidence to support his claim unlike noam chomsky and others

Who provided scientific evidence to refute many of the claim made by A.I pinheads! 

 

A side note i am a graduate of computer engineering i actually had to study A.I and was fascinated back

Then by A.I scientists claims only later to find out why they made such claims in the first place.

Singularity u say xaxaxaxa.

[pizzaslad 471]

Everything you can imagine will be achieved within next 80-100 years.

I am afraid this is untrue. Us pizzas always be  hunted then devoured by hungry humans until we become extinct. Then goes the burgers.....

Edited May 2, 2015 by pizzaslad

[beaku 2,656]

Noam is limited by current scientific evidence and theories while human progress is not. I don't know why you find the aircraft reference irrevelent because, IMO, it is more relevant than anything else. The human progress is geometrically increasing. That is, the progress achieved by human kind in whole of 19th century is equivalent to progress on first half of 20th century. People like Noam can use all their scientific evidences and theories to disprove my opinion while I, on the other hand have nothing at all except my big mouth. However, Noam is not omniscient and neither am I. There are many concepts and theories yet to be thought of and many evidenced yet to be discovered. What we have achieved in field of AI in last 100 years is practically nothing. One if the things I saw in video you have was that reverse engineering human brain is difficult atm because of social stigmas and unavailability to perform incisive surgeries on live humans. Will this really stop some human to actually do it? History says No. Brain slicing is a sound concept and will be performed at some time or other.

Tell me, do you actually believe that human progress will actually come to a dead end?

On thinking, the answer appears to be no. If so, then Singularity has to be reached. What Noam says is that it is not possible to create an AI as intelligent as us. But has he considered evolution? Didn't we humans evolve from unicellular organisms? Isn't it possible for Primitive AI to evolve into much smarter ones, except this time, the evolution will be much faster.

[Yisroel.Rabin 16,224]

Debates can get fun at times. :) I'm in

[HichigoShiiro 4,378]

I would love a good debate but eh..

[1stsuperwhitedragon 408]

I don't get what the heck is happening here and what do you mean by "controversial nature of some of this discussion"?

[sirogo 3,624]

I don't get what the heck is happening here and what do you mean by "controversial nature of some of this discussion"?

The motions to be debated can be anything, even things that may hurt people, that's why we warn you in advance. For this, you don't only need debating skills, you need a quite high level of maturity, (as said in @Remaine's post), as you will have to accept other people's opinion, even if they hurt you in any way (religions, etc.). In other words, you will have to be tolerant towards other people's opinions.

[LAGGER_KING 201]

Good Luck Debaters! But keep in mind:

 

[BlueDragon_tamki 3,204]

How interesting!

[BlueDragon_tamki 3,204]

Good Luck Debaters! But keep in mind:

 

exactly

[drazeruzumaki 5,021]

Good Luck Debaters! But keep in mind:

 

yea tell him

[Link_1119 183]

Will the winner get a reward?, yss im desp for cry :o?

[beaku 2,656]

Will the winner get a reward?, yss im desp for cry :o?

No. No one gets any crystals. We debate for the fun of it. :)

[sirogo 3,624]

Will the winner get a reward?, yss im desp for cry :o?

Nah, just the honor of having won. ;)

[TriNitroToIuene 4,765]

I want to join, pls. I don't want my PM count to go up :P

[Extant 154]

This still a thing? Inactive, deleted, or still going?

[sirogo 3,624]

This still a thing? Inactive, deleted, or still going?

Quite inactive, but never deleted.

[ShOwStOpPeR_online 324]

Such Potential. 1 last debate xD  

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