Does /vote still work?

[Satans-Rotweiler 45]

Nice way to go off topic. 

 

1. This is a business above all else. Every decision made is about the potential of making a profit.
2. Chat mods are not responsible for come to "yellow" battles. See the post by @GhostRider750
3. This is about /vote. Not reporting chat violators.
4. Violators do not directly impact profit, in fact they may actually increase it. So, in my opinion, Tanki may never do anything big about the issue of mults, hacker, and saboteurs.

I'm only offering up an option for those that want to use /vote an easier and more effective way, but I will not make it public if no one is interested in using it. Now if the devs see my demo and decide to add their own version that is great too. All I know is we need something better. This along side KICK2 would be a huge improvement in player satisfaction.

Apologies it just really frustrates me that Tanki don't take it more seriously. Tanki is a great game and has a lot to offer, which is why people go to the bother of making suggestions like this one or the kick2 system rather then just quit playing.

 

Yeah I think your idea would be a good addition to cleaning up tanki.

[killingwiththunder 0]

Wait wait, am I getting this wrong? Is your system is about reporting offending players or kicking them?

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

English must be an epic barrier to breach for you... Or you're suggesting insults? Please remind yourself that this is a respectful place not a street for you to insult in.

Define productive? He was wondering about the system I made him understand how the system works.

 

Observations like what? You made a topic it was useless hasn't got implemented now this is a business? Seriously?

 

 

 

And you know? Please give me solid evidence that lightshot is a third party?

Better to be a troll than to be a kid.

 

 

 According to you, he started talking about Tanki being a business, not to talk about the /vote system in which I obviously cleared it out but NO you had to stick with your software.

 

They are allowed to* 

 

But, /vote is about reporting chat violators.

 

 

For the love of the God, how? OK lets say I am a developer, I saw a violator, banned him, YAY I am rich?

 

 

I mean... Yea... They didn't improve anti-hack systems, they didn't implement anti-flood system, they didn't sign up chat mods, they didn't do anything. Did they?

 

Puuuuhlease... The current system is working glitchless and effective way.... You're saying your system will make the operation easier, like the current one is hard... Please tell what is hard with typing /vote offender's nickname and pressing enter? Or you just want your system to overcome the current one?

 

Look, all I am saying, stop complaining about this and start showing some gratitude... They work hard for you to enjoy, and you re-pay them with this?

You really have no idea what /vote is for do you? LOL  It is for reporting all the game violations not just chat violations. The problem with the current system is that you need to press "tab", copy the name of the player, then paste it into the chat, and if you don't get it right you need to do it again. My system only takes 4 clicks, no spelling mistakes, and also tells everyone else why you sent a /vote.

 

Did you seriously say prove lightshot is 3rd party? I don't even know how to respond to that without insulting your intelligence.

 

As for cheaters making Tanki money, how many extra supplies do players use before they give up fighting these worthless people? Many people will spend real money to replace those supplies. Additionally some players will do micro upgrades just to combat these types of people.

 

As for complaining. If no one ever complained the game would be at the same state it was back in 2009.  Developers use our complaints to make improvements based off of what we complain about. So you run along and go play before someone thinks you are a developers alternate account or a Tanki fan boy.

[lordmostafa 3,821]

So your system is to make using the vote system easier?

I totally do not agree with that. It's quite easy to use at the moment and it's not complicated whatsoever.

It's easy, really. You don't need to press tab and copy the name, you can copy it from the chat, or from the notification list (the place where it says "Player destroyed player", you can also "Ctrl+click" the name you want and it will copy it directly, then you can "Ctrl+v" to paste it, is that so hard to do? I don't believe it is, quite easy if you ask me.

What spelling mistakes are you speaking of? Miss-spelling the word "vote" perhaps? Or you mean the name? The name, maybe, but if it doesn't work, it takes 5 seconds to write it again, or to copy it. That being said, your program is quite useless to be honest. No offense intended tho.

[LeIouch_Vi_Britannia 6,163]

So your system is to make using the vote system easier?

I totally do not agree with that. It's quite easy to use at the moment and it's not complicated whatsoever.

It's easy, really. You don't need to press tab and copy the name, you can copy it from the chat, or from the notification list (the place where it says "Player destroyed player", you can also "Ctrl+click" the name you want and it will copy it directly, then you can "Ctrl+v" to paste it, is that so hard to do? I don't believe it is, quite easy if you ask me.

What spelling mistakes are you speaking of? Miss-spelling the word "vote" perhaps? Or you mean the name? The name, maybe, but if it doesn't work, it takes 5 seconds to write it again, or to copy it. That being said, your program is quite useless to be honest. No offense intended tho.

Most likely Names :p

like if someone wants to report me and doesnt copy it,

they will Report  :lol:

[Satans-Rotweiler 45]

So your system is to make using the vote system easier?

obviously plus it provides the reason, votes plus saves any messages to team asking them to flag the persons behavior assuming everyone speaks the same language on the team. As per canadian_eh's post just above your question  "My system only takes 4 clicks, no spelling mistakes, and also tells everyone else why you sent a /vote".

I totally do not agree with that. It's quite easy to use at the moment and it's not complicated whatsoever.

Your opinion is wonderful and it is good you find it easy to use but other people play the game also and it should be as inclusive as possible, I see it in games where people are still asking how to vote. Please keep in mind the different age groups who play and also people who may not be familiar with the system. eg:

Take two new people, show one the current option and the other canadian_eh's option, in a week or a month during a battle ask them how to report it, i believe people will remember canadians more readily. Isn't that what tanki wants? to capture people who are violating their games rules, to try and capture as many as possible.

It's easy, really. You don't need to press tab and copy the name, you can copy it from the chat, or from the notification list (the place where it says "Player destroyed player", you can also "Ctrl+click" the name you want and it will copy it directly, then you can "Ctrl+v" to paste it, is that so hard to do? I don't believe it is, quite easy if you ask me.

the idea of a good user friendly system is that anybody can pick it up and easily use it.

keep in mind many different players with different names from around the world, pure random names like sduybfkengfkenk  also variations in spelling, see Slightly_psychotic's post above. Different age players, different computer abilities, you may be surprised the amount of people who don't know keyboard shortcuts, everybody in this conversation may think ctrl click or ctrl v is obvious but  not everyone who plays does.

What spelling mistakes are you speaking of? Miss-spelling the word "vote" perhaps?

you have a bit of an attitude here, why would you think people would have a problem spelling the word "vote" ?  Plus i thought it was /vote but thank you for clarifying. See, if i was in a battle now my vote would not report because i was doing it wrong.

Or you mean the name? The name, maybe, but if it doesn't work, it takes 5 seconds to write it again, or to copy it. That being said, your program is quite useless to be honest. No offense intended tho.

The guy has a poll running on his post, he wants feedback, I doubt he would be offended by your opinion. That being said, Tanki does implement "useless" options eg: stay in battle while you visit garage, so this idea may not be ruled out from what you have said.

 

[Mickey_Nickz 589]

When i type /vote nickname. the press enter , it's GIVE to me "The complaint has been sent" So i always do it , and no any mods come to the rescue.

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[c-o-n-q-u-e-s-t 1,918]

Okay fine, I admit it. Tanki online is a business, why are you annoyed? They're working, they're getting paid, their living. Or you don't even want that?

As for those buyers, certain kinds of people don't like to gain crystals the hard way so they pay real money for it. As for other players, they can simply leave the battle and join another one. Or just take it like men.

And as for lightshot to be a 3rd party software, fine. But what's the problem tho? As an enormous variety of players and mods use that software.

And can I know how can you misspell the word "vote" is it really that hard? As for the names, you don't really have to press on the player's nickname to copy his nickname him, you can simply press "ctrl" and click on him, not necessarily from tab as lordmostafa cleared in his post above.

Let us please end this unproductive argument, as it is leading nowhere good. Some players may like this program, others may don't. I personally dislike this, no offense. But I find no hard in this current system we have. Also, in your system, you type a message saying you reported the offending player, that may not be a good idea, because if the troller/mult is in your team, they may stop trolling and when the mod comes they may not get punished due no evidence on his trolling, you'd have to take a video then, and from your point the video capturing software is 3rd party. Sorry for any misunderstanding caused, just letting you know I mean no harm with that aggressive posts above, won't happen again :)

Edited April 30, 2015 by c-o-n-q-u-e-s-t

[samlauncher 106]

its a free world :rolleyes:

[NedFighter 408]

/vote system doesn't work. Spectator enters the battle in 1 of 100 cases.

 

As i see, many players are complaining about the mults and fly hackers. There is already an idea about a kick system (Player's Moderation: Kick2)

Mults are ruining CP battles every day, fly hackers are stealing gold boxes and taking places in battles. TO has become unplayable.

 

It is better to implement a new system which would protect battles from mults and fly hackers (like Kick2), but devs are always saying: We are improving the anti-cheat system. But, mouse controls and daily missions are more important than the problem that is ruining the game.

 

Many players are leaving the game due to this problem (and i will leave it soon). 5000 - 9000 gold boxes and unlimited supplies (May Holidays) are only a measure to bring them back - also, mults and fly hackers will be more active on this holiday. The only answer from Tanki to this issue is "You can report a violator in battle by /vote nickname" - but the irony is that they are filling our heads by using a command that doesn't work!

Also, some forum and chat moderators are not doing their work properly, some are just using the moderator position to get more popular or have special paints.

 

When players are complaining about the game (mouse controls), the only answer from the staff is to respect developers because they are doing the best to improve the game (ofcourse that they give so much time for implemeting new updates).

But, when we ask them about this problem, they can be very rude with answers like "NO!" and other. There are cases when they leave the conversation without answering.

[c-o-n-q-u-e-s-t 1,918]

its a free world :rolleyes:

Lol yea.... Most of it is xD

Not all you know....

We're living in a dungeon :ccc

 

Why randomness though? Lol I mean, you totally smacked us with off topic, why?

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

I must agree with these complaints.

 

Mults, Sabs, all of them, ridiculous.  Yesterday I was playing Serpuhov and Red base, outside ledge on the left corner of the left building over looking the battlefield, two of us shafting from up there and really giving the opposing team hell.  Next thing you know there is a Thunder in a Viking ramming the guy to my left clear off and into the ditch below.  I sport a hornet so I'm not gonna be able to push him around.  He is very clever too, he fires on enemies when the base is under attack, but every other 3 or 4 shots, the rest of the time he "misses" and not's teammates shots off aim.  Tried to knock him over the edge once, couldn't.  Point is, it's impossible to have someone come in later after voting because they are hard to spot when they mix it up.  I think the vote system based upon number of players frustrated should be probabtionary at first, like chat warnings, and if the player gets three, a mod hovers in game and watches over them secretly.  If they start F'ing up, BOOM, BAN.  This keeps teams from booting people they just don't like, but it tracks the votes faster of offenders.

 

If not that, something akin to that, but we need a realtime method to get rid of slime like that, they ruin games.

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

I should clarify a few things.

1. My program only simulates what you can already do. However it automates the steps so someone can issue a /vote in as little as 4 clicks and a max of 6 clicks. Adding a reason and whether you are recording are optional. 
2. If Tanki where to add this directly to the game it would be  3 - 5 clicks.
3. /vote can be misspelled by accident. They are called typos. Also some players don't even know how to copy and paste into the chat remembering to add the space. But I'm pretty sure if they saw a "report" button, they could figure out how to use it.
4. "The reason" is posted as a deterrent. If the player leaves or stops doing whatever it was you reported them for, then great. Problem solved. Seeing as mods rarely come, a deterrent that stops the behaviour is the next best thing. If the offender doesn't stop and gets caught, well thats just a bonus. Additionally, if a mod does come he/she will already know why he/she is there and what he/she is looking for. It would make their job easier.
5. I am not offering this out of disrespect for developers. I'm offering it to help the players that feel like they could use something a little simpler and more effective. If the developers like it and want to add it themselves, that would be fine with me. I'm not looking for credit or recognition.

Edited April 30, 2015 by Canadian_Eh

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

I have had a few people comments that typing is just as easy or easier, so I will do a comparison. You can easily see that "EZ Slash Vote" is much easier to use and much faster to use.
 
I will use the same fictional character  " I_LOve_to Mult ". From his name we can see he is a mult, also he is hiding in the garage. I will add the optional steps in yellow. I personally like to tell everyone that I have sent a /vote and the reason why. 
 
Current method: { 4 keystrokes, 2 clicks plus typing} { 6 keystrokes, 2 clicks plus a lot more typing}

• push tab
• while holding tab, click the name ( I_LOve_to Mult )
• click "copy name"
• press enter
• type "/vote "
• press ctrl-v (don't forget the space in between /vote and the name or it will fail)
• press enter
• press enter again
• type " A /vote report against player (crtl-v) for being a mult. Additionally a video is being captured and will be reported in the violators section." 
• press enter

Using "EZ Slash Vote":  { 4 clicks, no keystrokes, and no typing}

• click the "/vote" button
• click the name (I_LOve_to Mult)
• click "copy name" 
• click the "Report" button

Using "EZ Slash Vote" with the optional message: { 6 clicks, no keystrokes, and no typing}

• click the "/vote" button
• click the name (I_LOve_to Mult)
• click "copy name"
• click to select the reason "mult or inactive"
• click to select " A video and screenshot is being captured" 
• click the "Report" button

The resulting output will be: 
 A /vote report against player > I_LOve_to Mult < was sent for being a mult. Additionally a video or screenshot is being taken and will be reported in the violators section.

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

Now if anyone would like to try it for them selves, PM me and I can provide you with a copy.

[Satans-Rotweiler 45]

Your idea is an improvement on the current system, it is user friendly and efficient but unfortunately it is still depending on tanki responding.

 

It doesn't matter what kind of a system they have in place if there is no one monitoring it.

 

That seems to be the main response i have heard from discussing this with people. (it has been one of those days mults everywhere)

 

Good work though Canadian_Eh.

Edited May 3, 2015 by Satans-Rotweiler

[Pathfinder 1,690]

Nice poll, and I agree that this is somewhere which needs a lot of improvement. From my personal experience, I have never received any help at all from /vote, although sometimes the player stops, I guess in the fear that a moderator might come :p

 

I like your system, seems like it kinda coordinates the game violator forum section with the vote option, might make things smoother, and you have my support if it means anything anyway :p

 

Would you be up for a kinda joint interview with a chat moderator about the topic?

[r_stdin0 11]

Currently there is a nice bash shell script on imgur that allows automatic upload. Mix this with some unix shell scripting to post the link to the violator section. That is a very simplified overview.

 

On winblows, it requires a win32 implementation. Even if we assume that is completed, the violator section will be the bottleneck. The current process is handled manually, so there are fewer spams and less stress, also ensuring the quality of reports is a big plus of the manual approach.

Edited May 6, 2015 by r_stdin0

[SnafuBE 9]

I have used the /vote command but mainly for players who are doing nothing or for the hackers.  I cannot tell if it works...that is I cannot tell if a mod actually saw what was happening and did something about it.  So I cannot say it works or does not.

 

Some misuse the /vote command.  By example, I had players ask me to vote a particular player just because they were using powerups too often.  I refuse to use the /vote command for something so trivial and explain it to those players.

 

I can say that I very much doubt that there are enough mods on-line to monitor every single /vote or even a couple of vote for the same player in a particular battle.  This highlights the importance of a more automated system that does not require intervention by a mod.  By example if a player receives a certain number of votes then the player is kicked.  Someone can review the situation later to determine if it was appropriate and compensate or punish accordingly (there should be punishment for player abusing the /vote command).

 

The voting system should reset to allow voting of the same player once the battle starts again.  This is an important feature to address mults that simply take up space in battles and should be automatically kicked out.

 

Another improvement to the /vote command is to allow for tags.  These tags would highlight the importance of a violation or the type of violation.  By example a hack tag would be used for those players who are using a hack.  The command line could appear as  /vote Nickname_of_offender -hack.  Another tag could be -mult and so on.

 

I think the /vote command can work but tanki actually needs to commit itself to improving the game play and work on it.  So far little has been said on how tanki is improving game play

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

The OP (original post) has been updated with some new info. Please have a look. 

[swede1 1,726]

It would be great to have the video taken from the offending players perspective showing the players actions just like a black box on a plane, it would then be totally undeniable proof of players actions. Ie: letting opponents get away when shot is available, blocking teammates, pretending to be lagged out, continuous pausing, and inaction, self distructiion and other/new technics used by saboteurs.

[SnafuBE 9]

Love all the hard work you are putting towards this but I do hope TO actually incorporates the results.  I find that some players in a battle are apathetic about mults/hacks or have no clue that these are in the game (some cannot even read the language in the chat to know when a team needs to vote out a mult).

 

It might also help if the player receiving a vote actually sees a notification on their screen.  Basically to receive a warning to behave or leave the battle.  Yes this might forewarn mults and hacks but at least it lets them know that they are drawing attention and should correct their ways before they are kicked or banned from a battle.

 

If a player is kicked from a battle they should not be allowed back in until it is over...excluding those refreshing the battle or accidentally kicked by server errors

[lukey0 27,543]

I save my energy now, it doesn't work. 

[milkbottle123 9]

 

How /vote is supposed to work

 

/vote is a command that you are supposed to type in chat. Example:  /vote canadian_eh   If enough players issue a /vote the battles title, in the battle list, will turn yellow. This is only visible to moderators that are currently logged into the game servers. A moderator that sees that "yellow battle" is supposed to go into that battle and determine why players have issued a /vote.

The problem is, it doesn't work very well because it requires too many players to issue the /vote. Also there are not enough mods to take care of all the battles.The other problem is that the mods do not know why they are even going into a "yellow battle". It could be for some chat violation or it could be for a game play violation. Chat mods look after chat violations but are not required to take care of game violations. Game violator mods are responsible for game play violations like mults, hackers and saboteurs.

This sounds easy but it is very time consuming for the mods. Plus there is the added confusion of "Who is taking care of what and why?" So many times mods will simply ignore these "yellow battles" if they are busy with other things. Meanwhile game play is being ruined for many players. So much so that some have just given up and left Tanki all together.

The developers started out with a good idea but never finished it. Even the moderator administration has been after the developers to fix it but nothing has ever happened. Kinda makes me wonder why. I think that sometimes the devs get so caught up in adding new supposed cool things they forget to fix and finish the important but less exciting stuff. Everyone wants to have the party but no one ever wants to clean up the mess the next day.

 

 

 

The Poll

 

I'm taking a poll to see player's opinion of the current /vote system.  

 

If you want to add a comment about your experience with using /vote, that will help. Tell me if and why it works for you. If it does not work, tell me why it failed.

 

 

Any negative comments towards me or this poll will be reported to a mod, so if you have nothing constructive to say then don't say anything at all. I'm simply offering an option.

 

My Option

 

Here is how it could work. It is a program I wrote called EZ Slash Vote. It work alongside your game and makes it easier to issue a /vote. There are no tricks or hacks, it simply simulates what you can already do with your mouse and keyboard.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVnF1QhTkkc

 

Yes I know the word "player" was missing out of the first pop-up. It has been fixed and now reads 

"Click on the name of the player you want to report"

I just didn't feel like re-shooting the video.

 

Sometimes, simple use of this is enough to chase them off. Something like this makes it so much easier and maybe we could actually get players to use it.

I have given a more detailed explanation of what EZ Slash Vote is in this post.

If you would like to see a direct comparison between /vote and EZ Slash Vote, read this post I've made further down in this topic.

If anyone would like a copy of this program to use PM me and I can give you a link. 

 

Also there is another option. Players Moderation - KICK 2.0  It is a system that would allow players to kick mults. etc. from battles. It is based off of scores and your ability to accumulate and maintain a score. In other words "you play you stay" you don't your out. It was designed by @AbsoluteZero with assistance from me.

 

You can read my interview for Issue 35 of the Tanki Newspaper.  [issue 35] [interview] Is Voting still Effective?

 

EZ Slash Vote whats the download for mac????

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

EZ Slash Vote whats the download for mac????

There is not a version for mac.  Sorry.