Your Theory Of the "beginning of the universe"

[pizzaslad 471]

Time travel....... not a fan in it. Too many paradoxes for it to be real

[doughnut2100 763]

God said 'Let there be light' and then the universe poofed into existence through the big bang. I mean, to our natural logic, something can't come from nothing right? Now you may be asking' Where did God come from?' Well, the same could be said for the big bang couldn't it? But anyway, God is not 'natural' but supernatural, meaning we cannot see/comprehend/fully understand Him. It's just beyond us so using our natural understandings wouldn't make much sense when applied to the spiritual world. With that being said, I couldn't tell you where God came from, and neither can you. That's just my take on things :)

Exactly my thoughts. Also the proofs from St. Thomas Aquinas obviously, which I believe Pause_unpause posted. Religious or nonreligious, we must use the reasoning that we have to think that way. We all have a beginning and an end (finite minds) so we cannot comprehend how God works.

 

I think this topic might steer or already steered into a forbidden discussion, therefore I say it gets closed before it gets worse.

Edited May 16, 2015 by doughnut2100

[doughnut2100 763]

Uh, its basically what you said. ._.

[Yisroel.Rabin 16,224]

God created us and all that is around us.

Sorry to those who don't believe in Him.

I always think "Well, for how long was God around? How did God become to be?" But I know He's always here, weather we know how/why or not.

But what I'm sure lots can agree on, is that this topic will lead to racism. Big time.

Edited May 17, 2015 by Yisroel.Rabin

[Yisroel.Rabin 16,224]

A single question I have always asked has silenced hundreds tongues. 'If God created everything, Why?'

People say the stupidest thing "Cuz He was bored." But in Judaism (don't mean to start a whole discussion on religion) we have a whole large 'section' on why God created us the way he did and why. Why he couldn't send us all straight to "heaven" after creating us, rather than to put us on earth with a chance of going to hell. Whole big thing, and hard to understand.

Edited May 17, 2015 by Yisroel.Rabin

[CRIME_GUY 72]

I believe humans or any other living being on this universe aren't meant to know how the universe was created. We shouldn't even try to look for a reason. 

You gotta be really stupid if you believe that you "know" how this universe was created.

this topic is for entertainment purposes only, be a geek for a day name your thoey K?

[dilsharox 2,395]

according to:

science-big bang

religon-god

 

i have no idea           

[Yisroel.Rabin 16,224]

God exists and cannot be explained. It's beyond a human's knowledge. All we know is that He's the creator of us.

 

I think the big bang story makes no sense for obvious reasons? Who created the big bang in the first place?

[5AJ5 0]

It hasn't been been proven that god created everything, nor has it been proven that the big bang happened so I won't believe either of these theories. 

 

You can't say that god does exist when there's no evidence. 

[trombone_ftw 734]

There is absolutely no reason to hate on believers of God and there is absolutely no reason to hate on people with different varying opinions. So that said... let's return to the topic this thread was created for aight? :)

 

I don't have a theory, I'm a teenager who questions everything but doesn't know the answers :)

Edited May 18, 2015 by trombone_ftw

[genak138 950]

I don't have a theory, I'm a teenager who questions everything but doesn't know the answers :)

Me too! :D

We must be twins :ph34r:

Edited May 18, 2015 by genak138

[tony990_Superstar 68]

My theory is that one day some giant living far off in another galaxy, one much bigger than ours but to him is the size of a house, woke up and said, "I'm going to create a new world today!" Then ZAP he created one and said, "hopefully this one lasts longer than the previous one..." then he went to work in the galaxy next to his. But every day when he came home from his workplace he would help this world, kind of like some days we get home from work/school and play Tanki. One day when he got things going he got bored so he let the world defend for themselves and created a new world.

 

Hate on this if you want, your theories are just as much proven as mine (unless you go by the theory of evolution, then there's proof to that sorta.)

Edited May 19, 2015 by falcosenna1

[Yisroel.Rabin 16,224]

I know all because of...

 

 

 

 

[duck100101 965]

My question is if the big bang started every thing, what was before the big bang, was there just nothing? But how there has to be something? 

 

 

Also if there was nothing there would be noting at all, or is that even possible, because there has to be something...

 

 

I could write another 5 pages of my rants but I am to tired right now..

[Pathfinder 1,690]

About a year ago I was pretty much in the same boat :) I saw religion as just a people's way of trying to explain things that couldn't be explained, and yeah I was pretty sceptical about a lot of the things that supposedly happened.

 

I'm only relatively new Christian, but I think this is a good chance for me, you and everyone else to learn more. I want to try and answer your question on the fact that the bible is full of stories that were made up:

 

 

Just food for thought:

 

The Bible is the most unique work ever recorded by humanity. It’s a collection of 66 books, written by 40

or more different men over a period of 2,000 years—yet it remains one book with unity and consistency throughout. Each book, letter, poem, and prophecy fits perfectly into place and brings unity to the entire work.

 

God used a wide variety of broken, imperfect people to communicate his redemptive story. The people who wrote the books that were collected as the Bible went through a process of recording, transmitting, and even translating the divine text—and as you look at it, you see that it is all so normal and human. Authors even recorded parts that might be embarrassing (history of Jesus’ lineage, women at Jesus’ empty tomb, acts of disobedience and sin by prominent people, and so on).

 

A striking piece of evidence of divine inspiration is found in the fact that many elements of modern science were acknowledged in the Bible long before scientists confirmed them experimentally. Here are some examples:

• Roundness of the earth (Isaiah 40:22)

• Almost infinite extent of the sidereal universe (Isaiah 55:9)

• Law of conservation of mass and energy (2 Peter 3:7)

• Hydrologic cycle (Ecclesiastes 1:7)

• Vast number of stars (Jeremiah 33:22)

• Law of increasing entropy (Psalm 102:25-27)

• Paramount importance of blood in life processes (Leviticus 17:11) • Atmospheric circulation (Ecclesiastes 1:6)

• Gravitational field (Job 26:7)

 

These are not stated in technical language that non-scientists cannot understand. They are plainly written so that any person can experience the vast complexity of God in simple, everyday ways.

 

Some of the things in the bible can seem pretty ridiculous, like as you say people rising from the dead. But even you acknowledge the limits of human understanding, so how can you say they are definitely false?

My theory is that one day some giant living far off in another galaxy, one much bigger than ours but to him is the size of a house, woke up and said, "I'm going to create a new world today!" Then ZAP he created one and said, "hopefully this one lasts longer than the previous one..." then he went to work in the galaxy next to his. But every day when he came home from his workplace he would help this world, kind of like some days we get home from work/school and play Tanki. One day when he got things going he got bored so he let the world defend for themselves and created a new world.

 

Hate on this if you want, your theories are just as much proven as mine (unless you go by the theory of evolution, then there's proof to that sorta.)

 

The issue isn't proof, it's evidence :P

Edited May 19, 2015 by falcosenna1

[Darky01 326]

Let us imagine ourselves standing in a laboratory stocked with beakers and test tubes containing all sorts of chemical compounds. Then suppose an earthquake has just occurred upsetting the shelved vessels, sending their contents spilling onto the laboratory floor. It would be a very strange coincidence indeed to find new life forms generating themselves where none had existed before.

 

You might say, 'Your analogy didn't account for time - these organisms need time to evolve.' We ask, 'How much time should we have allowed? Was there enough time since the beginning of the universe to allow for their self-induced formation?'

 

Let's hear from Swiss mathematician Charles Eugene Jai. In an experiment aimed at answering this very question, Jai set out to calculate the probability of the random formation of a single protein molecule. Jai 'helped' the situation by assuming the existence of formative elements, and by selecting a protein consisting of only 2,000 atoms (An average protein might consist of 32,000 atoms or more). Jai also assumed that the protein would consist of only 2 unique formative atoms.

 

He determined the value of probability by considering the size of the material and the time necessary for the random formation to occur. He calculated that the probability of forming even a simplified protein molecule was approximately 1 in 5 x 10 e+320 !

 

The size of the material necessary to produce that almost zero probability would have been a sphere with a diameter of approximately 6 x 10 e+176 miles - about 10 e+63 times bigger than the imagined size of the universe. Finally, the time necessary for the molecule to form was 10 e+243 billion years. This was far greater than the supposed age of the universe - only about 2 billion years.

 

He concluded that the universe was neither old enough, nor big enough to allow for the random formation of even a simple protein molecule. It was impossible for the universe to have created itself, and for life to randomly form. We must then consider another course. There is a Creator who created the universe.

 

Most deny or ignore the existence of The Creator because they cannot see Him. However, there are many things which we do not see, but yet we believe in their existence. Further, most of us believe in creatures which exist yet undiscovered and undocumented. Many reject the existence of The Creator, believing only in science and data gathered and confirmed by its canonical methods. But, on any given day, the same person might find himself in love, deep remorse or sadness. And while contriving the most complex and personal thoughts, he does not, at the time, suppose that his feelings are a random product of firing neurons. How can he then believe that the only distinction between a corpse and a living person is the absence of organ functionality. That we need only revive his physical body to restore him to normality.

 

Ps. I can discuss it on religious way aswell , but i won't cuz it will only bring fights :)

Edited May 18, 2015 by Darky01

[beaku 2,656]

Darky01, probability in a real life circumstance can never be calculated. Never. This is because of unpredictable events like asteroid crash, gravitational waves, aliens coming and experimenting on earth, etc.

[Hero_No_1_unbeatable 19]

big bang.

 

good topic :)

[Night-Sisters 2,139]

Just food for thought:

 

The Bible is the most unique work ever recorded by humanity. It’s a collection of 66 books, written by 40

or more different men over a period of 2,000 years—yet it remains one book with unity and consistency throughout. Each book, letter, poem, and prophecy fits perfectly into place and brings unity to the entire work.

 

God used a wide variety of broken, imperfect people to communicate his redemptive story. The people who wrote the books that were collected as the Bible went through a process of recording, transmitting, and even translating the divine text—and as you look at it, you see that it is all so normal and human. Authors even recorded parts that might be embarrassing (history of Jesus’ lineage, women at Jesus’ empty tomb, acts of disobedience and sin by prominent people, and so on).

 

A striking piece of evidence of divine inspiration is found in the fact that many elements of modern science were acknowledged in the Bible long before scientists confirmed them experimentally. Here are some examples:

• Roundness of the earth (Isaiah 40:22)

• Almost infinite extent of the sidereal universe (Isaiah 55:9)

• Law of conservation of mass and energy (2 Peter 3:7)

• Hydrologic cycle (Ecclesiastes 1:7)

• Vast number of stars (Jeremiah 33:22)

• Law of increasing entropy (Psalm 102:25-27)

• Paramount importance of blood in life processes (Leviticus 17:11) • Atmospheric circulation (Ecclesiastes 1:6)

• Gravitational field (Job 26:7)

 

These are not stated in technical language that non-scientists cannot understand. They are plainly written so that any person can experience the vast complexity of God in simple, everyday ways.

 

Some of the things in the bible can seem pretty ridiculous, like as you say people rising from the dead. But even you acknowledge the limits of human understanding, so how can you say they are definitely false?

well said :)  

[HichigoShiiro 4,378]

god was like yolo imma create this universe

 

 

nah idk

 

the big bang theory is still being researched so..

[tony990_Superstar 68]

The issue isn't proof, it's evidence :P

True.

[beaku 2,656]

Just food for thought:

 

The Bible is the most unique work ever recorded by humanity. It’s a collection of 66 books, written by 40

or more different men over a period of 2,000 years—yet it remains one book with unity and consistency throughout. Each book, letter, poem, and prophecy fits perfectly into place and brings unity to the entire work.

 

God used a wide variety of broken, imperfect people to communicate his redemptive story. The people who wrote the books that were collected as the Bible went through a process of recording, transmitting, and even translating the divine text—and as you look at it, you see that it is all so normal and human. Authors even recorded parts that might be embarrassing (history of Jesus’ lineage, women at Jesus’ empty tomb, acts of disobedience and sin by prominent people, and so on).

 

A striking piece of evidence of divine inspiration is found in the fact that many elements of modern science were acknowledged in the Bible long before scientists confirmed them experimentally. Here are some examples:

• Roundness of the earth (Isaiah 40:22)

• Almost infinite extent of the sidereal universe (Isaiah 55:9)

• Law of conservation of mass and energy (2 Peter 3:7)

• Hydrologic cycle (Ecclesiastes 1:7)

• Vast number of stars (Jeremiah 33:22)

• Law of increasing entropy (Psalm 102:25-27)

• Paramount importance of blood in life processes (Leviticus 17:11) • Atmospheric circulation (Ecclesiastes 1:6)

• Gravitational field (Job 26:7)

 

These are not stated in technical language that non-scientists cannot understand. They are plainly written so that any person can experience the vast complexity of God in simple, everyday ways.

 

Some of the things in the bible can seem pretty ridiculous, like as you say people rising from the dead. But even you acknowledge the limits of human understanding, so how can you say they are definitely false?

I agree, my friend. Facts like those and even much more technical facts are stated in Vedas which were written thousands of years before Bible. Scientific advancements can be seen in Mahabharat wherein war technology is descripted.

However, since all these facts are scientific, how do we know that God told us these facts? God (apparently) created the universe and I think he'd probably have gazillions of more civilizations to attend to. No, just no. I don't think that am omnipotent creator will do that. The Gods which are mentioned in ancient texts were either aliens or humans from future.

[Promissory 569]

Some of the things in the bible can seem pretty ridiculous, like as you say people rising from the dead. But even you acknowledge the limits of human understanding, so how can you say they are definitely false?

We are just humans, I doubt that a dead human has anything to do with the creation of the universe. Simple thoughts...

[thunderousrailgunner 1,934]

My Theory is When i Am Born and Universe starts :D

Edited May 19, 2015 by thunderousrailgunner

[Ilia.ArchangeI 6,785]

Some of the things in the bible can seem pretty ridiculous, like as you say people rising from the dead. But even you acknowledge the limits of human understanding, so how can you say they are definitely false?

It's true there are some seemingly far-fetched activities recorded in the book, like walking on the surface of water or walking through walls, but interestingly scientists have proven that those things aren't outside the realm of possibility, and might even become part of our every day lives in the near future.

 

Our minds are so underdeveloped with however many percent of efficiency. Most of our brain remains inactive, and if we were to learn how to utilize it, who knows what is possible? If we were able to control the movement of molecules in our body, we would easily be able to walk through walls or on the surface of water. All of a sudden all these far-fetched stories are simply the scientific wonders of a being that is millenias ahead of us in knowledge.

 

There are several theories I find plausible, even hybrids of them that could make sense, but I don't bother cross-examining them much, because it always comes down to the same thing. We don't know, it's only a theory, what's the point?

 

I'd much rather spend my time on expanding my knowledge, honing my skills, or give my time doing something useful for humanity, I don't see how analyzing, dissecting and debating our "prehistoric" past helps anyone or achieves any positive purpose.