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I won't spend any more euro at this game , It will be pointless if half or more of the players  will stop and play the Unity version :(

Also i hope Unity version will be a whole different game else why change TO for UTO if there are so less changes. Just my opinion about this ^_^

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Pretty surprising this topic is not getting more attention...I guess most players will wake up when Unity comes out and they find that their nice TO accounts can all be trashed.

 

The mere fact that such a rumour is not repudiated says a lot. Weird that the devs seem to even consider such a radical option - nothing worse to offend your loyal, long-term customers..

 

And to keep Flash going with no support and new registrations disabled is another hilarious idea - will be dead within months, no point to play there..

 

With this kind of uncertainty, nobody in their right mind should even consider investing more time/money in this game...glad I haven't spent a single dime..

Imagine how hard this Unity version will hit the big buyers , Only big fun in the past is left and some battles with the remaining players.

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The way I see it, either it's a done deal and this path was decided months ago and they have been leading players on this whole time, or unity has been a figment of their imagination this whole time and it's nothing more than smoke and mirrors, since the project was announced and "started" more than a year ago and it's been nothing more than a concept this whole time, with a bunch of props.

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Imagine how hard this Unity version will hit the big buyers , Only big fun in the past is left and some battles with the remaining players.

If they transfer all the Crystals I had on my acc to my recryut unity acc... I will have over 5-6 million cry (Big Rofl) But I don't think they will do that since they just want..

 

 

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The way I see it, either it's a done deal and this path was decided months ago and they have been leading players on this whole time, or unity has been a figment of their imagination this whole time and it's nothing more than smoke and mirrors, since the project was announced and "started" more than a year ago and it's been nothing more than a concept this whole time, with a bunch of props.

I saw a video of a Unity Tanki demo and, imo, anyone could have made it in a few days

It's not even at a beta stage

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If you lose all of your garage where does this give an incentive for anyone to move an existing account? Stats such as time in game and gold boxes caught are quite frankly meaningless in comparison.

 

This would also be a huge slag in the  face for everyone who has spent real money in this game.

You lose nothing. You simply get an opportunity to try something new, while the old Tank and you old account still remains.

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You lose nothing. You simply get an opportunity to try something new, while the old Tank and you old account still remains.

Right, an account in a game full of mults, hackers,with no mods, or anti cheats updates and second rate servers.

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Well, if our garage gets wiped in Unity, and I 'm also completely dumbfounded they even consider that: I wipe Tanki Online.

Not even going to continue with Flash. That 's called being firm in one 's principle.

 

No need for any discussion, there are plenty of other games I like very much and I 'm definitely not going to spend

not one single euro on this game anymore till I have my accounts in a reasonable way secured on Tanki Online Unity.

Thanks for the warning @Bil.G.Old.

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Right, an account in a game full of mults, hackers,with no mods, or anti cheats updates and second rate servers.

Well, I did say that no final decision has been made yet and there is still a chance that your whole account progress will be transferred. However, the developers want you to experience the new game completely from start to finish, so they want you to have a new account.

 

(Besides, I'm not even sure if it's possible to completely transfer accounts because apparently the Unity version will have no ranks)

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You lose nothing. You simply get an opportunity to try something new, while the old Tank and you old account still remains.

 

Are you saying that Flash Tanki and Unity Tanki will in effect be 2 seperate games?

 

if so... With regards Flash Tanki can you confirm it will be fully supported in terms of programmers/developers maintaining the game/eradicating any new hacks etc and that it will also still receive all of the moderator/admin/technical support currently seen on all of the chatrooms and forums?

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lol You guys don't have enough players to run 2 different games. Flash or Unity Hazel, you'll eventually have to chose :)

I'm with flash :lol:

Just cause of over heats which will come with unity tho :/

 

Im playing TO right now cause any other single game makes my laptop go boom :p

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Flash will remain, but I'm sure that the Flash will get loss of support etc and nothing new/updates/moderators will be there in the Flash version. 

 

I believe if you switch from Flash (you can only do it once) you can never go back.  Personally, I've spent 1 year and $600 + or - a few $'s and if Tanki does this to their players who have kept their servers running, they can stuff it because I will pull spending and playing Tanki and will do so to all of my friends that play it and spend lots and lots of money.

 

This is ridiculous if this happens.

 

Conclusion:

 

1) You can remain in the Flash Version, but it likely will lose Support/Players/Moderators/General fun

2) You can move to Unity and lose everything, I think you can take somethings with you (or atleast it was discussed) but you can NEVER go back to Flash once you've moved to Unity from Flash.  If you start from scratch you will lose EVERYTHING.   And that is enough to make anyone that has spent lots of time and money want to leave (for some, it may want to make them punch someone in the face).

 

Tanki has been ripping off it's community everywhich way possible.  If you buy, you get ripped off for the amount of crystals per $, if you don't buy, the game really flat out sucks for you.  Everything is either Underpowered or Overpowered and Tanki releases stupid updates like this camera update right smack dab in the middle of the SL Season and wants us to deal with it for another week.  Tanki fixes things that weren't a problem or weren't broken, yet ignores the stuff that needs to be fixed. 

 

If this game wasn't relatively fun, there would be NO reason to play it.  Tanki seems like they couldn't give a you-know-what less about their community of EN or RU and expects us to pay through the nose to have fun at this game.  No, I'm sorry, that's just wrong.

 

Change the road you're going down Tanki, it's starting to get rough.  You think that experienced players don't notice the major decline in members online? 

Fix this part of Tanki before instead of shooting squirrels and fixing "camera" speed when you have a lot of other things to worry about.  Namely your greedy faces.

 

Take the time to listen and do exactly what your community wants.  I'm not asking you to be irrational and change a bunch of things, and let's all be mature and not act like fools here and be sarcastic to this.  There are many aspects of Tanki that need to be fixed.  Namely the fact that earning crystals is impossible.  Golds hardly fall for low ranks.  1,000 crystals isn't enough to do anything at ranks above Warrant Officer 1 and need to be increased for higher ranks proportionally.  Did I mention that earning crystals is useless for getting M3s?  These are the issues you need to be addressing. 

 

Frankly, I've been wanting to write this all down, the list is longer it could go on and on, and I've had long discussions with other old and experienced tankers and my brother about this for hours and hours.  You rip off your community, then want to appear all happy-go-lucky on Friday when the V-Log comes out.

 

I have more to write, my fingers are just starting to bleed from typing so hard and fast...

 

 

~Maestro

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At the moment the plan is that you will only be able to transfer your nickname and perhaps some achievements to the new version (gold boxes caught, time spent in game, etc.), while your garage will be reset. Although everything may change.

Might I ask you where you obtained this information? Do you have any influence to change it?

 

I know, of course you don't care. Why? Because you're a staff member who gets paid booku amounts of crystals. (Even if you "work for them," it's still a lot different than spending $41.97 of money that you made at work in real life.) So even if Unity resets the garages, it'll only take you a few months to have everything back at M4 again.

 

 

As i said on RU forum - nobody knows yet. Until end of CBT at least.

What exactly is CBT? Do you have any influence over this decision? If so, are you on your players' side or the other side? At least give us a 1 month time period, or similar, where it is possible for all active players to transfer everything, and after that it's impossible.

 

 

I read that Tanki feels their game is nothing more than a coin slot pinball machine of the 1980s and put your quarter in and you play for enjoyment once the game ends you are welcome to put another quarter in and play again.

This is a fallacy, in an online MMO game once you start, your experience is alway saved and the game continues from where you left off, it doesn't reset after each log on.

What Tanki is proposing is walking away from a failure while continually milking the remaining players for any revenue it can take and tell them they are welcome to stay in the mess they created for as long as players wish to continue without further support from them.

If this game is not going to be continued and the consumers will no longer get support, stop taking money for it and pull the plug like you would on a broken pinball machine.

+++++++++++++++

 

 

They can easily transfer the accounts from Flash to Unity. 

The DEVS appear to want people to start again and hope they will throw money into regaining their stolen / scrapped garage.

 

HOW MANY WILL BOTHER TO SPEND?

 

They will have to build up their player base from scratch. 

 

DEVELOPERS !!

LISTEN TO YOUR FANBASE WHILE IT STILL EXISTS !!

 

If the garages are scrapped, players who bought deserve a complete refund. WITH INTEREST.

+++++++++++++

 


 

 

I will be spending NO more of my hard-earned money on this game until this decision is made, 

And I will not be spending anything on this game again, unless the decision is made to transfer everything Or damn close.

 

 

If we want to start your game from scratch, Tanki, we'll do so ourselves, on an alternate account.

We should at least receive credit for one (1) account and everything we've bought on it in the Unity version.

 

 

 

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My suggestion is "find a way to transfer all accounts".

 

I can just imagine the rush so everyone can get back their old nick if its all "start from scratch".

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I just read through this post
 
I am wordless ... garage reset, crystals to the dogs ... if they really do this, it will be Tanki's end!
 
Anyway I kind of expected that behaviour from devs & mods. The answers I saw in this post is just exactly "in-line" with the answers we had on my drugs post (http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=246957&page=1).
 
I personally think that I will not stand to that further ultimate abuse. They are a business and customer care should be the first issue!
 
It seems to me Tanki is getting completely blind. Tanki lives thanks to players and treat them like old shoes, do not give them attention and do not listen to their issues.
 
I am wordless
 
B.

 

Agreed.  The mothballing of players time, effort, and crystals (ESPECIALLY the purchased ones, I can be chunked, I have spent about 20 bucks, but there are those that have spent inordinate amounts), AND THEIR GEAR.  No, that's just TOO MUCH.  And  Star Ladder, they are not going to get a warm welcome from the MLG folks when the platform changes so much that the next year will be a mess without clans and organized veteran player (they won't stick around if they get their hard earn garages trashed, be certain of that).  Bunch of not so grreat game play will be somethnig to not wish upopn the viewing community.

 

I have no problem with them changing it up, keeping the game play new and fresh according to a new platfrom, but it was clear the Flash platform was going to be concurrent and the assets not pushed out the 3rd fl window.  You take people stuff and there will be hell to pay.  Now, ifthe dynamic is such the equipment is so different that until people play they won't know what to get, credit them some how so they can purchase something after playing M0's for a while and pick something they like.  Makes sense, I can see the dilemma.  They give you the same equipment in a new environment, it doesn't work the way it used to, they raise hell, I get it.  But they definitely need to give ranked players with equipment something to work with in the new Tanki world.

 

This will bea a mes and TAnki is going to ultimately suffer from this.  Players will leave, and then it's over.  All the efforts for the Unity environment will be for nothing.  I sure hope someone is paying attention in accounting and marketing, because while there are plenty of gluttons for punishment out there and sheeple, the moment you start messing with peoples MONEY spent, then you're gonna havea real dilemma.  All the buyer druggers that have amassed a wealth of crystals drugging to purchase better quipment, they don't play for the love of the game, they are PUNKS, every last one, and they will be angry that they lost all their stuff, and they SPEND money.  Now what?  Yeah, I think Someone needs to really sit down and have a come to Jesus/Allah/Buddah/whatever "ah" with the devs and really rethink this, or Flash and Unity will all go away in one fell swoop.

 

Good luck to Tanki and to the players, looks like EVERYONE has got something to lose now.

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Are you saying that Flash Tanki and Unity Tanki will in effect be 2 seperate games?

 

if so... With regards Flash Tanki can you confirm it will be fully supported in terms of programmers/developers maintaining the game/eradicating any new hacks etc and that it will also still receive all of the moderator/admin/technical support currently seen on all of the chatrooms and forums?

Yes, they will be two separate projects with the same theme. Flash Tanki Online will still be maintained, I think, but what the developers meant by "no more updates" is that they won't develop any new features or make major changes to the old game and instead they will focus on Unity.

 

Might I ask you where you obtained this information? Do you have any influence to change it?

From Hazel's comments about it in the Russian forum topic, as well as commentary from developers in the "city tour" event they did recently.

 

No, I have very little or no influence here.

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Well, judging from the so far attitude of certain Devs, there's nothing to surprise you here.

No respect, no honesty, no interest. Certainly, no customer care department.

 

The Transfer-to-Unity matter is two-fold. There is a technical aspect and a moral aspect.

 

The technical aspect is interesting. Unity based TO will be a new game, to speak clearly. MAFIOZA121 said there will be no ranks and that's a huge difference in relation to Flash TO. How will the experience be measured? What will be the criteria for acquiring new items / modifications? What other differences will be there?

According to the answers (that are not clear yet) maybe this new direction solves a few issues of Flash TO, such as false / unexisting seperation between newbies and veterans.

So from this aspect we wait to hear what's going to happen and what kind of game this new Tanki is going to be.

 

The moral aspect.. well.. won't make people happy.

Investments in time, effort and money going down the toilet. Dishonesty from Administration and greed during the last not-so-few months towards players, unacceptable tolerance of extreme unbalance (quite profitable for Tanki nevertheless) and dominion of top buyers over all other players, all these just for nothing. Old Tanki left to rot, going to the trash can.

Is new Tanki going to be like that? Milking the players hard in order for them to replace all they had in old game? Or are the Devs going to make a new start more fair and balanced?

For there is a certain moral issue here, and that is: all those that based their "career" in Tanki on money and not skill or fun, are going to lose big time. Because they forget that what's important in gaming is having fun and not builting in possessions.

(personally, I 'm pleased with that)

All those, on the contrary, that invested only effort and skill, will lose less in old Tanki and advance faster in new Tanki.

 

So far so good. Now we wait to hear specific details in regard to plans for Unity TO, including ways to deal with current game issues.

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Hello dear tankers,

 

as you know (or may not know), Tanki Online on Flash will be closed relatively soon, may be in a month, may be in a few or more, but this is as certain as death and taxes.

The new engine will be Unity (though it also has its limitations in terms of browsers, which support it) and the developers tend to consider this new version as a new game, with completely new ranking system, new turrets/hulls specifications, new economics, etc.

This approach, treating the new version as a new project, will have numerous profound and mostly unpleasant consequences, the major of which are:

  1. The developers have suggested (in the Russian forum), that all Unity players, new and coming from Flash, might have to start the Unity Tanki Online from scratch.

Players who want to migrate from TOF to TOU may lose many, if not all of their assets – crystals, supplies, scores, ranks, hulls, turrets, paints, microupgrades and ultimately such a move will wipe off the time and/or money invested to achieve all that.

  1. Having newbies and experienced players starting to play together in Unity TO, will result in merciless domination of the old players over the noobs ... that is if any of the veterans swallows his pride and accepts to become a poor recruit again.
  2. Donation in the “new” UTO will be probably very limited – after all who will want to invest money in a company that is so ignorant towards its supporters … and surely many of these supporters will feel abused and betrayed.
  3. In the “new” UTO game, the old clans will probably be dismissed, then eventually re-established according to the new rules of the game, the new ranking and new specifications of the turrets and hulls.
  4. I imagine, that when UTO appears, developers may still keep the FTO (might be even until the flash engine is alive), so anyone who doesn’t want to lose his achievements may stay there, but as all resources will be concentrated on Unity, the Flash version will suffer and probably slowly die due to lack of proper maintenance , lack of upgrades to the anti-cheat system, the gameplay and so on.

At the end, the inhabitants of the Flash servers will have to agonize along with it or move to the UTO and start it from zero or just quit the TO project.

 

 

Comments welcome !

NOOOOO WHY RECRUIT AGAIN!!!! CURSES!

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 MAFIOZA121 said there will be no ranks and that's a huge difference in relation to Flash TO. How will the experience be measured? What will be the criteria for acquiring new items / modifications? What other differences will be there?

There WILL be ranks in the Unity version, at least according to the most recent preview of it that the Developers have provided, seen in Episode 44 of the v-log. The rank is there, but in a different area than we are used to. Notice the rank of 3 Gold Stars (Lieutenant General) in the upper right:

 

 

 

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It also appears again from another angle: bK2tB2y.png

 


 

Judging by the layout of this screen, it looks like the developers are going more for a "team-based" screen layout. Instead of the current screen which revolves mostly around the player, displaying his/her rank, crystals, etc., the new screen appears to revolve more around the team situation, showing the number of flags in the battle, how much longer it has left, how much you are ahead by, etc. Which is actually a good move in my opinion. :)

 


 

Also:

 

 

all those that based their "career" in Tanki on money and not skill or fun, are going to lose big time. Because they forget that what's important in gaming is having fun and not builting in possessions.

This is a false statement/mentality. 90% of people who invest money in the game are very skilled. It's a simple thing:

 

Buyer mentality:

  • I like this game
  • I'm good at this game
  • I'm going to be playing it for quite a while
  • I can justify spending a few bucks on it.

For that reason, most, and I mean a vast most, of the "buyers" are very skilled. Not because they bought skill, but because they were able to justify buying by being skilled. That's not to say that there aren't some out there who do try to buy skill, because there are, ;), but that small percentage is quickly going to realize that they wasted their money, and stop.

 

I spent money on this game because I loved playing it, and I knew I was going to be playing it for a long time. I didn't spend money on this game because I thought I needed too. I spent money because I loved the game, and now I'm going to be given nothing for it when the new version comes out. But those of you who just played the game and never contributed monetarily will be just fine, if this decision is made.

It's kind of like doing a large favor for someone, and having them turn and spit in your face when they get the chance.

 

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For there is a certain moral issue here, and that is: all those that based their "career" in Tanki on money and not skill or fun, are going to lose big time. Because they forget that what's important in gaming is having fun and not builting in possessions.

(personally, I 'm pleased with that)

All those, on the contrary, that invested only effort and skill, will lose less in old Tanki and advance faster in new Tanki.

 

So far so good. Now we wait to hear specific details in regard to plans for Unity TO, including ways to deal with current game issues.

You don't seriously believe the new Tanki will be better for non-buyers (those that "invested only effort and skill")..? As in the last couple of years, the move will be towards a buyer's game. Hard to believe they won't take the chance of raising prices, less freebies etc., to make it tougher competing without spending money...

 

As for the plans to not allow the transfer of accounts to TO Unity, it truly is a unique way of offending current customers, and that without any real need. No matter how different TO Unity will be, gotta give your customers a chance to move their existing accounts, as a matter of self-interest actually. Should be obvious, but it seems the TO marketing department (is there any?) is not on top of their game..

 

The reasoning "but why do you complain, we keep TO Flash running" is also a funny one: why would anyone want to keep spending time/money on what will be a dying game (no new developments => so what's the point of playing there)..

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Well, judging from the so far attitude of certain Devs, there's nothing to surprise you here.

No respect, no honesty, no interest. Certainly, no customer care department. +

 

The Transfer-to-Unity matter is two-fold. There is a technical aspect and a moral aspect.

 

The technical aspect is interesting. Unity based TO will be a new game, to speak clearly. MAFIOZA121 said there will be no ranks and that's a huge difference in relation to Flash TO. How will the experience be measured? What will be the criteria for acquiring new items / modifications? What other differences will be there?

According to the answers (that are not clear yet) maybe this new direction solves a few issues of Flash TO, such as false / unexisting seperation between newbies and veterans.

So from this aspect we wait to hear what's going to happen and what kind of game this new Tanki is going to be.

 

The moral aspect.. well.. won't make people happy.

Investments in time, effort and money going down the toilet. Dishonesty from Administration and greed during the last not-so-few months towards players, unacceptable tolerance of extreme unbalance (quite profitable for Tanki nevertheless) and dominion of top buyers over all other players, all these just for nothing. Old Tanki left to rot, going to the trash can. +

Is new Tanki going to be like that? Milking the players hard in order for them to replace all they had in old game? Or are the Devs going to make a new start more fair and balanced?

For there is a certain moral issue here, and that is: all those that based their "career" in Tanki on money and not skill or fun, are going to lose big time. Because they forget that what's important in gaming is having fun and not builting in possessions.

(personally, I 'm pleased with that) -

All those, on the contrary, that invested only effort and skill, will lose less in old Tanki and advance faster in new Tanki.

 

So far so good. Now we wait to hear specific details in regard to plans for Unity TO, including ways to deal with current game issues.

Though I agree with your overall view, the "certain moral issue" you bring forward is flawed.

 

A "free" to play game needs income, otherwise there will be no "free" to play game.

Now you might probably say: I always played for free: well, I 'm ok with that. Always been.

 

Now let 's look at TO as being the government of a country. Every country needs people to work so they earn money

and are able to pay taxes.

Besides this most people want to work, it brings a lot more benefits than just income.

The social aspect and "having something to do" not being the least of them. 

 

Every country has people who simply can 't work and people who simply don 't want to work.

Also ok with me, because studies have shown that those who don 't want to work at all are a small minority.

People like free time, but not all the time to make it short.

 

The taxes paid by the working people enable the government of a country to give the smaller group who

can 't (temporarily) work or doesn 't want to work a decent income so they can make a living.

(personally I think these so called unemployment benefits are often too low, but that 's another story)

 

This is a good system and nobody has to be ashamed or proud: worker or non-worker.

As long as most people want to work the system won 't collapse and everyone deserves to have a

nice place under the sun.

 

Though I deeply despise the type of non-worker who looks with contempt at workers like they are crazy.

Again there is no need for gratitude towards the workers who maintain the system, because workers

don 't work to "maintain the system" it 's just a result of doing daily work and paying taxes.

 

No gratitude asked or needed but I certainly don 't believe that workers deserve to be spit on.

 

In a similar way I look at buyers and non-buyers at Tanki Online.

Show some respect for each other please.

 

 

Another quote: "All those, on the contrary, that invested only effort and skill, will lose less in old Tanki and advance faster in new Tanki."

 

Your actually saying here that buyers don 't invest in effort and skill, time not even mentioned.

Yes, there is a group of buyers who get decent results by only having superior equipment.

For example a high ranker who still can 't turn the turret of his tank.

There is also a large group of buyers who do have well developed skills.

Buying doesn 't rule out skills nor effort.

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TO Flash is going to be a dead end. Reasons for this have already been given in previous posts:

no need to repeat them all.

TO Flash will already loose a large group of players just by the division created by having two TO 's

at the same time.

Besides this TO Flash won 't be longer promoted or developed and will only be supported at a

very low level: believe otherwise if you want to, I don 't.

(btw Adobe 's Flash itself is a dead end as HTML5 is taking over: Google for yourself if interested)

 

Unity is the future (if TO Unity has a future remains to be seen) I wrote this already many times at

this Forum and till this news came out I always have been a huge supporter.

In the firm believe that our accounts would be transferred as it is was said by TO.

 

TO obviously fooled us, because now suddenly close to unveiling TO Unity they are "reconsidering".

No you aren 't, you are IMO just following plans already made a long time ago.

Ofcourse it 's a smart move: most buyers who would have known about "The Wipe" would

have stopped investing a long time ago in a now, certainly in time, useless TO Flash account.

 

Now TO says it would be unfair to newcomers if we old TO Flash veterans would

take our often superb garage(s) to the new TO Unity.

They talk about gameplay but actually it all goes about money: ofcourse.

 

There is a decent solution for veterans possible, but I doubt very much TO will go that way.

Their solution is simple: you will still have TO Flash and your complete garage:

so why are you even complaining?

And also according to them it would be unfair to newcomers if we took our superior garage(s)

to TO Unity: ok, there is a point in that.

 

A decent solution would IMO mean that we indeed all start as a recruit again in TO Unity,

but we will also have our full garage with us, though with locked equipment.

We veterans will have the advantage of being more skilled and experienced.

As we climb up the ranking ladder again we will unlock our already earned/bought equipment

just like it happens in TO Flash.

(I will be checking it, but I don 't remember I had to buy my car two times at the dealer..)

 

So we will have recruit veterans with M0 's fighting recruit newcomers with M0 's.

What 's not fair about that?

 

Here 's the catch! TO Unity will no longer have a ranking system: how convenient...

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My suggestion is "find a way to transfer all accounts".

 

I can just imagine the rush so everyone can get back their old nick if its all "start from scratch".

Yeah, there must be a way to transfer all accounts, surely. If we have to restart, completely restart from 0, I can only say that my end is coming closer. Let's hope they'll transfer all accounts so all players hard work, all players achievements were no wast of time. 

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