category Let's Discuss Game Balance

[doseeve 8]

I feel like even after hammer's nerf, it is still VERY OP and is better than railgun. Think about it. Rail ALMOST kills u in 1 shot, and hammer can kill a regular hornet in 3 shots.  :(

[SpeedyRailgun 183]

If you find a op turret, put it here why its OP/UP

so OP

hammer is op because

hammer m0 3 shots to wasp m0

hammer m1 2 shots to wasp m1

and hammer m2? 1 shot?

Smoky m1 critical+DD kills wasp m1 isntantly+insane firing rate

firebird m1 too huge damage.

Shaft m1 0,5 seconds in scope to kill wasp m1. also impact is removed from railgun and given to shaft

thunder from 2 shots have the same damage like railgun from 1, but thunder reloads faster.

Twins insane knockback

ricoshet DD 3 shots to wasp what is INSANE

UP

wasp m2 aviable at too huge rank and its too expensive where its almost worthless against m3 turrets.

Railgun no longer can help teamate mammys, because its too weak to get them back on road, if mammy is on side. (give us REAL railgun, not made in china!)

Freeze does no damage at m1, but i dont know about other modifications.

Isida with DD does less damage than firebird without DD

xt items is crap expensive, but still UP for their ranks where mostly they have m4.

 

Say me if im wrong and comment what u think its OP/UP

[Enforcer 627]

In what does it is a problem? Next time use the wiki or the Help site to get the answer of your question.

 

Micro-upgrades: http://en.tankiwiki.com/Micro-upgrades

Edited January 10, 2016 by Enforcer

[FC_BayernMunchen 1,941]

So basically... don't use Wasp?

[SpeedyRailgun 183]

Amm this is problem-some guns are OP, some UP.

[dilsharox 2,395]

Hammer used to be OP

[SpeedyRailgun 183]

If i will use something like hornet, hunter or whatever else do u think then i will be able to get teamate back on road? I dont think so.

[I3ANNED 1,693]

If i will use something like hornet, hunter or whatever else do u think then i will be able to get teamate back on road? I dont think so.

Wasp sucks unless it's M3 I suggest you use viking/hornet.

[NewbieCake 3,067]

UP

 

Isida with DD does less damage than firebird without DD

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but Isida with DD is just naturally going to destroy everything. It may have less damage than Firebird, but the self-healing makes this turret impossible to kill when on DD.

[I3eg-For-Mercy 1,102]

This isn't a technical problem. And right now the turrets and hulls have a good balance.

Not too OP. Small hulls always gets huge damage.

Edited January 10, 2016 by I3eg-For-Mercy

[Frazman 14]

No, Vulcan is really overpowered at least at M3/M4 and no offence but unless you have a higher account,

you simply can 't know what I 'm talking about. 

You have to "experience" the Vulcan M3 massacre yourself.  (rather not actually...)

 

It 's also true that Vulcan M3 is getting more and more popular: just look at the buying posts in "Photo of the Day" and also

there used to be days that a Vulcan M3 was a rare sight in Tanki 's battles, sad enough imo not anymore.

 

If you can 't beat them, join them....no, tried Vulcan like every other weapon Tanki has to offer and I just don 't enjoy playing

with it.

 

Even when operated by a "noob" Vulcan is a gamechanger. That 's just not ok.

Completely agree. I just came from a battle on Serpuhov where the red team had three Vulcan Mammys supported by Isidas. They just sat there holding down the fire button and made any movement impossible even with my Viking M3 fully upgraded. Totally ruins the battle and takes any fun out of it. Vulcan was the biggest mistake Tanki has made. They screwed it up from the start and even after trying to nerf it a couple of times it's still way OP. I wish Vulcan had never been introduced, or they would take it out of the game altogether and give everyone with Vulcan their crystals back so they can buy something else. It requires virtually no skill to use and completely wrecks the game.

[NewbieCake 3,067]

Meh, Hammer isn't OP. If you miss one shot with it when fighting a tank, you're as good as dead.

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Completely agree. I just came from a battle on Serpuhov where the red team had three Vulcan Mammys supported by Isidas. They just sat there holding down the fire button and made any movement impossible even with my Viking M3 fully upgraded. Totally ruins the battle and takes any fun out of it. Vulcan was the biggest mistake Tanki has made. They screwed it up from the start and even after trying to nerf it a couple of times it's still way OP. I wish Vulcan had never been introduced, or they would take it out of the game altogether and give everyone with Vulcan their crystals back so they can buy something else. It requires virtually no skill to use and completely wrecks the game.

Nah, not worth the argument.

Look, just coming from a frequent user, we aren't "noobs".

[MrCheezyPotato 850]

So basically... don't use Wasp?

I never use wasp anyways, so thats not a prolem for me :P i always though wasp was too weak, and hornet speed was very close anyways with a decent amount of health.

 

Amm this is problem-some guns are OP, some UP.

Yup. But iv noticed that nobody complains that anything is op at m4, so the devs have all the items balenced at m4. Good job devs! although most people dont have m4.... devs should works on balance for m1 and m2. idk much about m3 so i cant say anything about that. Maybe make stock m1 balenced for fighting m0s, but it upgrades very well so that when i starts fighting m2 its also kinda balenced. Its should still lose, but its still a bit of a close fight.(when upgraded at least 30%)

[george_ace 57]

Well, the different prices among different turrets and hulls makes up for the OP or UP characteristics.

[MrCheezyPotato 850]

Well, the different prices among different turrets and hulls makes up for the OP or UP characteristics.

true, unless they are buyers and never care what the price is

[E.Leclerc 1,887]

Vulcan is too good -_-

[Draciron 4]

This isn't a technical problem. And right now the turrets and hulls have a good balance.

Not too OP. Small hulls always gets huge damage.

 

Bah there's no balance on the turrets. I love playing the shaft but it's useless against all the druggets and spenders. With the shaft you give up mobility and speed for damage. If have to shoot somebody 3, 4 sometimes 5 times and cannot kill them, if you shoot them full power double damage and they keep on trucking, then your pretty screwed. The kits especially are impossible to take out. These guys have fully upgraded M3s and my M2 Shaft that I'd be a 3 star general to finally earn enough crystals to actually upgrade to max doesn't even anny some of the people I shoot any more. I have 23 or 24 of 50 upgrades and rarely kill anybody with one shot unless I've got DD. Used to be full power shaft would kill anything but Titans and Mammaths with a single shot without DD.  My Viking is swiss cheese. I might as well be using a Wasp for all the protection it gives me. M2 Viking around 24 of 50 in upgrades and I still die from a single shot from Thunders, shafts and rail guns, even with Digital paint on. Richochets 3 or 4 hits I'm dead.  Then you see these folks in a fully upgraded Mammoth just roll in. Everybody shooting it but it has Double Shields and uses repair kits and even with DD you cannot kill the thing. One shot and it kills you. I don't call that balanced in any way. 

 

Having multiple turrets or hulls is senseless. Not unless you have a ton of money to throw in. It takes me over a week now to save crystals per upgrade.

 

Gold boxes always fall in the same place on most maps. That means Vikings and Hunters have no chance at them. Folks just push you out of the way, crawl on top of you or kill you with a single shot. I try hard for the boxes. I'm often the first one there. Doesn't matter. First or last I have no chance at the box. Only time I get them is when they literally fall on top of me while nobody else is a round or I'm facing somebody else in a Viking or Hunter. A couple times somebody was cool and let me have one that could have pushed my tank out of the way easily. I've had a lot of occasions where the tank on top of me got the gold box.  

 

If you want balance, drop the gold boxes randomly and drop them quickly. This slow drop just means everyone gets there and it's an unfair advantage to really light or heavy tanks. 

 

If you want balance then stop the kits. The Thunder kit that lest people buy M3s when everyone else is lucky to have a barely upgraded M2 is insane. Forget the name of the kit but there are dozen folks out there right now with it and they usually drug on top of already having a paint you cannot touch and a weapon that kills you with a single shot even with DS on and a paint that is good against thunder. They'll use DS and kill 3 or 4 folks with a single shot. Hit repair kits so you cannot even whittle them down. The Vesuvius is another kit that unbalances things. Folks with that kit are tough to kill at lower officer ranks. I could almost buy a cheap car for what it costs in crystals without specials to buy one of those kits and max out the paint, hull and turret. That's not balanced, it's not even a good pay for play scam. It's just letting a few folks with more money than sense rule the game. 

 

It's not like you can save up to get a kit. It takes me a week right now for ANY upgrade on turret or hull. Closer to 3 weeks of crystals to upgrade a paint job. Mean time the other players who are pouring money into the game are doing several upgrades of each. That's not balanced. 

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

Each turret has his way it can be use most efficiently, while if you move to other terrain you are screwed.

The Vulcans that rule so hard in Silence/Blue team, are pretty much screwed in mid-size maps. Even a wasp/rail like me can take them out easily by peek-a-boo, or by cycling around them. But if they catch me on open ground, I am doomed.

 

What causes large inbalance are

1. If your enemy drugs and you don't (of course)

2. Kits, that make equipment available far too early

3. Maps, that favor some turrets over others
(Silence blue side: cap 2 flags, switch to 4 Vulcans/Titan and 4 Isidas.. harvest points. As they get healed constantly you cant take them out any more)

 

Only Freeze was nerved sooo badly, that it today performs only well on heavy hulls (Titan, Dictator) on small maps. If the user uses DD, then it's literally eating tanks. But as said, this is the _only_ usefull application for it in it's todays configuration. (Others exist as well, but in nearly all of them firebird has the edge over freeze today

[Maf 32,300]

If you want balance, drop the gold boxes randomly and drop them quickly. This slow drop just means everyone gets there and it's an unfair advantage to really light or heavy tanks. 

They already drop like that. The 30 second delay (+ 10 sec falling) is just enough time to allow small hulls to find the drop location on a large map. I posted this before and I'll post it again:

• Players with heavy hulls won't be able to go around the whole map in 30 seconds, but if they do find the gold drop location they are very likely to catch the gold box as they won't be killed or pushed from underneath it.
• Players with light hulls will almost always have enough time to find the gold box drop location due to high speed, but are unlikely to catch the gold as they can be easily killed/pushed.
• Inexperienced players have a better chance of catching a gold box than before, because sometimes the gold drops in a remote locations where any player can find it and take it, regardless of their skill. Although their gold boxes will be rarebecause there are more drop locations near the centre. If you don't have much luck catching golds in the middle of a large pile-up, then you are better off playing on large maps and when a gold box drops - go around the outside. You might be lucky to be the only one to discover the gold box in the corner of a map.
• Experienced gold box hunters can try their luck by going in the centre in the middle of a pile-up, as they know how to catch golds and are likely to get them, but they won't always get gold boxes due to a large number of drop locations.
• Players, who are defending the base, are still able to catch golds in case the gold box drops on the base, so they don't have to leave the base and abandon defense

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Or, if you're like me, "Gold box will be dropped soon", "Oh goodie, the flag is open.".

Seriously, it's just a distraction for me, I've flung myself onto a pile of tanks enough to no longer care about it.

[bossman161 276]

Shaft needs more impact force, if I shoot a Rail-Hornet M2 in the side it barely budges...

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Shaft in my opinion is a super- noob turret. Get something and go fight the enemy instead of sitting by the flag hiding like a coward.

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=298666&hl=

[DESTRUKCO 51]

 

Draciron at your rank you should be saving up for your m3s not MU ur m2s. I am a frequent shaft user and you get big money from dm in shaft. Just steal kills, once you get good at it, you will get big money. Don't expect to be good at it when you first start though.

 

[MrCheezyPotato 850]

When I first started tanki, people were somewhat courteous and would not shoot on gold. Now they pretty much all do I get killed lots of times just trying to  get in the pile. Just seems like more people are hateful cowards than ever.

Sadly....true.....i started tanki in late 2014(i had to stop for many months so thtas why i low rank) and whenever a gold dropped nobody would shoot....it was only when gold was close to ground they would..but beforehand, it was basically a seize-fire. now, nobody even changes their playing when gold drops exept they all go twards it. i stopped trying to get gold now because i die instantly and i just sit with firebird and roast them :D i get so many points, especally in DM

 

Shaft in my opinion is a super- noob turret. Get something and go fight the enemy instead of sitting by the flag hiding like a coward.

shaft really does require skill...its not op either, all you need to do is wait for them to shoot once then you can kill them easily. Not many shaft players in my ranks are any good, so they arnt much of a probebm exapt in giant maps, but there are a few people who get twice as many kills as the person in 2nd place....

 

Draciron at your rank you should be saving up for your m3s not MU ur m2s. I am a frequent shaft user and you get big money from dm in shaft. Just steal kills, once you get good at it, you will get big money. Don't expect to be good at it when you first start though.

Agreed, and i dont even have any m2 xD

But, the way you wrote about shaft there really doe make it saound noobish....i agree whith eveything you said ther, but maybe try to rephrase it so that when you tell people about it that think its noobish it can actually convince them