category Let's Discuss Game Balance

[wolverine848 13,097]

It comes with no (obvious :P ) downsides, doesn't it? So why should it give more damage?

Alterations are ment to change your playing style, not to make the tank overall stronger without any downside attached to it.

Compare to Magnum Mortar?  The 25% damage reduction in no way makes up for the ability to have 4 mines planted wherever you want - each mine doing more damage than a regular magnum shot without the -25% and... most players have no protection against.

 

And it's such a treat to encounter mines in a No-supply battle when the mortar is equipped.  :rolleyes:

 

I bought the Vulcan fire alt for my m2 account - can't afford to equip it because in mid-ranks we don't have the survivability to use it.

 

So some alterations are more equal than others.

[Guest]

This alt is technically the only alt that only buffs it without nerfing it in any way, although it's very small buff. The point with this alt is that you can hit an enemy hiding behind a wall by shooting it right past the wall and exploding it, and since Striker's splash and actual hit damage are literally the same damage, you should be dealing solid damage using this method. You can use it pretty well without denotating any of your missiles, that's basically the no-alt Striker and is still viable. 

[mhh.2000 888]

Buff means up the damage, Nerf means decrease  :(

yes , and we are telling you it's strong enough that WE (its users) refuse to get it buffed

[tankhd.jr 24]

At what cost though.   The cost will be so high you will not want to pay it - unlike that ridiculous "mortar" alteration for Magnum.

 

I can see it now....

- Benefit ... 20% vamprisim

- Negative .... damage reduced by 50%

 

This is the way they do Isida alterations - none are worth buying.

true, but does isida really need an alt?

i think they should bring back the vampire, it was only op because it made you invincible while you attacked people (especially on DD) so they could just make you gain back your health after you kill the enemy. This gives you a good chance of killing them and isida still has self-heal, it just has to kill you this time. 

[wolverine848 13,097]

true, but does isida really need an alt?

i think they should bring back the vampire, it was only op because it made you invincible while you attacked people (especially on DD) so they could just make you gain back your health after you kill the enemy. This gives you a good chance of killing them and isida still has self-heal, it just has to kill you this time. 

Vampirism is useful - I just don't see Devs doing it in such a way that the turret is still useful.  They would give too much of a damage penalty.

 

 

The only useful alt I can think of is one that trades off DPS for larger energy pool that allows more total damage.

 

So kills more slowly - but has better chance to take down heavies equipped with DA and protection module.

[tankhd.jr 24]

Vampirism is useful - I just don't see Devs doing it in such a way that the turret is still useful.  They would give too much of a damage penalty.

 

 

The only useful alt I can think of is one that trades off DPS for larger energy pool that allows more total damage.

 

So kills more slowly - but has better chance to take down heavies equipped with DA and protection module.

hmmmm....i had a thought

on one of the VLOGs (when they first showed the list of new alterations), there was a fourth isida alt that they removed. I think the symbol for it looked a little like the one for the nanobot alt. Could be a hint on what the next alt will be like

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

Compare to Magnum Mortar?  The 25% damage reduction in no way makes up for the ability to have 4 mines planted wherever you want - each mine doing more damage than a regular magnum shot without the -25% and... most players have no protection against.

 

And it's such a treat to encounter mines in a No-supply battle when the mortar is equipped.  :rolleyes:

 

I bought the Vulcan fire alt for my m2 account - can't afford to equip it because in mid-ranks we don't have the survivability to use it.

 

So some alterations are more equal than others.

Your point is valid, but I would rather nerf the Magnum alteration then to buff the striker alteration.

And I guess this will happen, if it turns out to be overpowered (not only on single maps with narrow bases, but on the majority of maps)... but as I say "I guess". It's hard to tell how much sold items / days /  ... the developers count down/wait, until they balance something again.

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

hmmmm....i had a thought

on one of the VLOGs (when they first showed the list of new alterations), there was a fourth isida alt that they removed. I think the symbol for it looked a little like the one for the nanobot alt. Could be a hint on what the next alt will be like

If you're talking about this:   Then I'm pretty sure that's not what it might be. As you can see, the top 2 limbs of the nanobot have been turned into a knife and a gun, symbolising that it may be an attack-type nanobot. Which makes sense since they already have "support Nanobots"; why not have "Attack Nanobots"?

 

In all honesty, I like the picture for it. They probably had fun adding those little details to it.

[mhh.2000 888]

in fact , I RARELY see any striker protections , even when I play with legends , it surprises me how people just seem to forget striker ever existed , this is why I'm always on top of the DM leaderboard , usually also with a huge difference between me and the guy taking the second spot

 

I can provide evidence but it's on another computer ..

 

who said striker was weak ?? come here please

 

when I'm talking about how GREAT striker is , I'm talking about this ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have more but I think these are enough to prove my point :)

[gach2 8]

Whatta... comeon, why people hate to be honest rather than have dunno-what-ulterior-motive? lets just cut it simple, friend Arxch2, join in the battle lets prove how weak is striker.

Edited November 28, 2018 by gach2

[gach2 8]

who said striker was weak ?? come here please

when I'm talking about how GREAT striker is , I'm talking about this ...

 

 

 

 

I have more but I think these are enough to prove my point :)

Join my battles and i will show you how weak.. let prove it,instead of speaking misleading. friend Arxch2,

 

 

yes , and we are telling you it's strong enough that WE (its users) refuse to get it buffed

some people love thunder so much so that they want striker to stay below thunder, not to keep them at equal level.,,,

Edited November 28, 2018 by Viking4s
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[mhh.2000 888]

some people love thunder so much so that they want striker to stay below thunder, not to keep them at equal level.,,,

I used to be a thunder user before , after trying striker there's no way I'm returning to thunder , no way at all

 

if the pictures I've provided above are not enough for you , I don't know what is , honestly I doubt that you can achieve such results while playing with any other turret , regardless if it's DM or not ..

 

send me a friend request , I'll accept , group up with you and play in a team mode , let's see if striker is really as weak as you think.

join my battles and i will show you how weak.. let prove it,instead of speaking misleading. friend Arxch2,

​what exactly are "your battles" ?

Edited November 28, 2018 by Viking4s
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[mhh.2000 888]

here's a video of me playing with striker in DM , not the best video I've made but it'll do the job

 

https://youtu.be/xf0MgAF7gx0

[wolverine848 13,097]

here's a video of me playing with striker in DM , not the best video I've made but it'll do the job

 

 

 

https://youtu.be/xf0MgAF7gx0

 

 

Ya got one where you are not playing a bunch of noobs that are mostly lower rank than you?

And some where competition has drones as well?

 

Many of those you killed either sat there or could not turn their turret...

I especially liked the ricco that did not move one inch while you locked on a salvo from 40m :D

Then you 2-shot (actually I think first "hit" was splash) a viking without DD.  What m-level was that?

 

Sure striker is better than it used to be - BUT - that video is NOT indicative of results versus peers - tankers with similar skill and equipment.

 

Not saying you can't get similar results against tougher enemies.

What I am saying is that this video does not prove what you were hoping it does.

Edited November 28, 2018 by wolverine848

[Amagi 1,728]

Yes pls buff striker xaxaxaxaxa

 

too weak xaxaxax

 

pls

[mhh.2000 888]

Ya got one where you are not playing a bunch of noobs that are mostly lower rank than you?

And some where competition has drones as well?

 

Many of those you killed either sat there or could not turn their turret...

I especially liked the ricco that did not move one inch while you locked on a salvo from 40m :D

Then you 2-shot (actually I think first "hit" was splash) a viking without DD.  What m-level was that?

 

Sure striker is better than it used to be - BUT - that video is NOT indicative of results versus peers - tankers with similar skill and equipment.

 

Not saying you can't get similar results against tougher enemies.

What I am saying is that this video does not prove what you were hoping it does.

check the list of my scores , the ones I posted earlier today , you'll find me topping legends , plus the splash is a part of striker , and most of my splash hits are intended , some of them are not but most of them are .

 

if he's a standing target , I don't want to take the chance of losing my kill , a slavo is always better than a single rocket , you know why ? cuz no one will have the chance to steal my kill while I'm reloading , it's called strategy, of course i could have hit him with single rockets but why would i do that ?

 

I will try to record another video tomorrow with legends so i can prove my point .

Edited November 28, 2018 by mhh.2000

[wolverine848 13,097]

check the list of my scores , the ones I posted earlier today , you'll find me topping legends , plus the splash is a part of striker , and most of my splash hits are intended , some of them are not but most of them are .

 

if he's a standing target , I don't want to take the chance of losing my kill , a slavo is always better than a single rocket , you know why ? cuz no one will have the chance to steal my kill while I'm reloading , it's called strategy, of course i could have hit him with single rockets but why would i do that ?

 

I will try to record another video tomorrow with legends so i can prove my point .

I never suggested you should use single rockets on that target. I was just astounded at that players (lack of) reaction when you pointed the laser.  I wish all my enemies reacted that way.

 

Again - not saying you can't do it.  Just that video was poor evidence as the competition was obviously sub-par.

The reference to splash was only intended to clear up how weak that viking was... a splash hit + direct hit killed it.

 

I assume your Striker is beyond stock m3 as you are sporting a drone - which most at that rank can't afford.

As well as 3 m3 hulls, 5 m3 turrets and 5 m3 modules?

You obviously don't have standard Marshall equipment.

Edited November 29, 2018 by wolverine848

[tankhd.jr 24]

If you're talking about this:   Then I'm pretty sure that's not what it might be. As you can see, the top 2 limbs of the nanobot have been turned into a knife and a gun, symbolising that it may be an attack-type nanobot. Which makes sense since they already have "support Nanobots"; why not have "Attack Nanobots"?

 

In all honesty, I like the picture for it. They probably had fun adding those little details to it.

same, like that picture too  :)

"attack nanobots" sounds cool, maybe removes heal time rather than adding to it? oh wait, i heard they changed how nanobots works anyway, is it more healing per second or more heal time?

Edited November 28, 2018 by tankhd.jr

[mhh.2000 888]

I never suggested you should use single rockets on that target. I was just astounded at that players (lack of) reaction when you pointed the laser.  I wish all my enemies reacted that way.

 

Again - not saying you can't do it.  Just that video was poor evidence as the competition was obviously sub-par.

The reference to splash was only intended to clear up how weak that viking was... a splash hit + direct hit killed it.

 

I assume your Striker is beyond stock m3 as you are sporting a drone - which most at that rank can't afford.

As well as 3 m3 hulls, 5 m3 turrets and 5 m3 modules?

You obviously don't have standard Marshall equipment.

actually all Vikings are like that, striker with the uranium alt deals about 2500 damage while DD is activated , that's enough to annihilate any small hull , 2 shots for any medium/large hull , so it's not much of a difference across ranks

 

yes it's about 10/20 , I'm not sure exactly how much

 

I don't have 5 M3 turrets ...

maybe most marshals don't have that , but they should , I never bought a thing in this game , just doing events can give you this kind of crystals.

 

anyhow, getting a score like this with legends is much harder , but it's not impossible , I've done it before and it (occasionally) happens .. so back to the topic , striker is fine the way it is right now , I don't want to see everyone wearing protections like what happened to smoky , the moment i got it to M4 , they buffed it and people started noticing it and using protection against it , and I don't like using it anymore , believe me striker is fine once you learn how to use it.

Edited November 29, 2018 by mhh.2000

[mhh.2000 888]

here , how about now ?

these were the only 2 battles i played this morning , and most of my battles are like this , please if you say that I'm using drones and drugs , of course I am , there's no way you can be strong without them ...

 

 

 

https://youtu.be/rujjN3vW8-o

https://youtu.be/3NwYzK51VM0

 

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[wolverine848 13,097]

actually all Vikings are like that, striker with the uranium alt deals about 2500 damage while DD is activated , that's enough to annihilate any small hull , 2 shots for any medium/large hull , so it's not much of a difference across ranks

 

yes it's about 10/20 , I'm not sure exactly how much

 

I don't have 5 M3 turrets ...

maybe most marshals don't have that , but they should , I never bought a thing in this game , just doing events can give you this kind of crystals.

 

anyhow, getting a score like this with legends is much harder , but it's not impossible , I've done it before and it (occasionally) happens .. so back to the topic , striker is fine the way it is right now , I don't want to see everyone wearing protections like what happened to smoky , the moment i got it to M4 , they buffed it and people started noticing it and using protection against it , and I don't like using it anymore , believe me striker is fine once you learn how to use it.

So you use a drone and have the new Striker alteration equipped?

And you have multiple m3 turrets (I counted 5 in your garage - maybe it was 4?) and hulls at marshall

You currently have Premium - possibly from container - hard to tell.

No - that is not a typical Marshall set-up. Especially getting any/more than one combo to 10/20 or better.

 

You have spent way more crystals on your garage than 80% of the players would at that rank.

The crystals spent will certainly make a difference in battle standings.

 

here , how about now ?

these were the only 2 battles i played this morning , and most of my battles are like this , please if you say that I'm using drones and drugs , of course I am , there's no way you can be strong without them ...

 

 

 

https://youtu.be/rujjN3vW8-o

https://youtu.be/3NwYzK51VM0

 

Sure everyone uses supplies in match-maker battles.

 

Drones... nope.  I saw maybe 2 or 3 drones on enemies in your videos. 

Upgrading the drone and batteries is cost-prohibitive for anyone lower than Legend.

How can you afford the drone upgrades and the batteries? 

You do not get enough free batteries to use a drone.  Even my legend account does not - it has accumulated ~ 1200 batteries since they were introduced. That might last a week.  maybe 2.  Then... drone will sit in garage for months.

 

Yes, your 2 videos demonstrate your point much better than the previous one. 

I am still shocked by the number of enemies who don't turn their turret.

 

Striker does not need much change... possibly a half second buff on the salvo time (along with small damage nerf per missile), and some kind of vertical auto-aim.

[tankhd.jr 24]

I don't know what is , honestly I doubt that you can achieve such results while playing with any other turret , regardless if it's DM or not ..

uhhhhh....i see your point about striker not being weak but im fairly sure i've seen hammer duplet's achieve the same, if not more (one thread has a hammer with a KD of 33) and with my isida also on my m3 account. It depends on skill and mostly, protection that people have from your gun. Also, why did you stop playing thunder? just interested

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

same, like that picture too  :)

"attack nanobots" sounds cool, maybe removes heal time rather than adding to it? oh wait, i heard they changed how nanobots works anyway, is it more healing per second or more heal time?

As far as I remember while playing with it, it was 5 more seconds of healing and -50% damage. But I saw someone say somewhere in the forum that the Healing per second increased. Since when he said it was recent, I can believe it is the latter. I wonder how it affects how much score and EXP you gain from healing an enemy relative to stock isida,

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

If you people have more than 500 batteries, why won't you invest 20,000 crystals into a Mechanic drone huh? It is relatively cheap for high-rank players and it can be really helpful in almost every situation you and your teammate get into.

 

The people I see complaining about having too many batteries but no drones are the ones with more than 100k crystals. I use the Supplier drone when I'm defending and I really help my defenders defend the flag when I use it. 

 

Heck, even the trooper drone can be useful in the right moments. 

 

If you have a poop-tonne of batteries lying around, please don't complain about not having drones, especially if you have more than 120k crystals and are not planning on spending it on anything in particular.