category Let's Discuss Game Balance

[LittleWillie 3,199]

Time to change this

 

The time t change it was when they patched in the Freeze orgazma-buff.  By now  thousands of those kits have been bought.

 

Another example of half-axxedness ... it's the Russian way of life!

[Magnumius 0]

HELO TANKERS , everyone who played in the last time , probably see that the freeze got new stast - more damage.

 

THE FREEZE beacame to be OP ! , for example, i have titan m2 in low rank ( WO5) and i get rekt easy by freeze m1-m0 that crazy! freeze m0 Shouldn't (!) be able to kill titan m2 LIKE THAT !

 

I know that the players who use freeze dont want him to be change , he is the cheapest m2 and he so good , but THIS IS THE  THE PROBLEM , its so cheap and its do to mach damage.

 

GIVE YOUR OPINION HER , I HOPE TANKI WILL CANGE THE FREEZE. have a good day :)

 

NOTE* most of the low rank do not have / can afford buy protc from freeze.

Edited August 2, 2018 by Maf

[aqwzsxedc 699]

I'm not a mainly freeze user, tho i think it's fine compared to how it was before

Also you can express your opinion and see other people's opinion here

[loginci 877]

This is a great idea. Freeze is so powerful but now too many people bought protection for freeze and they cant kill us easily.

[Potdindy 866]

I have stopped using Freeze because its like railgun...everyone just switches to freeze prot and you are useless. That being said, I'd be all for more freezing effect and a bit less damage.

 

And Freeze m0 can only kill Titan m2 if that titan's turret doesnt kill the Freeze, which it will

[Magnumius 0]

I have stopped using Freeze because its like railgun...everyone just switches to freeze prot and you are useless. That being said, I'd be all for more freezing effect and a bit less damage.

 

And Freeze m0 can only kill Titan m2 if that titan's turret doesnt kill the Freeze, which it will

the freeze m0 can kill titan m2 easy , and YOU CANT KILL THE FREEZE , BECAUSE OF THE FREEZE EFFECT

Edited August 2, 2018 by Magnumius

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

I think a better idea would be to nerf the freezing effect in the m0 m1 by quite a bit. Nerf the freezing effect at m2 slightly. And buff the freezing effect at m3 and m4 by quite a bit. And while you're at it nerf that damage.

[BigCar 80]

i have used freeze both before the buff and after, i dont know about legends rank but on lower levels freeze was perfectly fine, the freezing effect makes freeze good in itself, a great option in ctf/rugby especially, now people just rush in and deal insane damage without trying, which doesnt make sense.

 

freeze is supposed to do less damage than firebird because it has an effect that is insanely good, like isida, which makes up for the lack of damage. freeze is designed to be a support turret, it even says so in the description of it... cooling down vulcan, burned enemies, slowing opposition is it's job.

 

If they wanted a buff, they should have made the freezing effect more effective, not buffed damage. And tbh hammer is the one close combat turret that needed buff, not freeze

[wolverine848 13,097]

i have used freeze both before the buff and after, i dont know about legends rank but on lower levels freeze was perfectly fine, the freezing effect makes freeze good in itself, a great option in ctf/rugby especially, now people just rush in and deal insane damage without trying, which doesnt make sense.

 

freeze is supposed to do less damage than firebird because it has an effect that is insanely good, like isida, which makes up for the lack of damage. freeze is designed to be a support turret, it even says so in the description of it... cooling down vulcan, burned enemies, slowing opposition is it's job.

 

If they wanted a buff, they should have made the freezing effect more effective, not buffed damage. And tbh hammer is the one close combat turret that needed buff, not freeze

The descriptions about "being a support turret" are wishful thinking.  Players don't get a score for cooling down a vulcan.  And they have nerfed the scoring for isidas healing.

 

You can't ignore that this is an arcade game, not a role-playing game.  Each turret needs to be able to kill another.  They just have different ways of doing it, and don't operate best in same conditions.

 

Having said all that, I likely agree that 1) damage buff is way too much (10% more reasonable) and 2) freezing effect at M3+ could use a slight buff.

[BigCar 80]

The descriptions about "being a support turret" are wishful thinking.  Players don't get a score for cooling down a vulcan.  And they have nerfed the scoring for isidas healing.

 

You can't ignore that this is an arcade game, not a role-playing game.  Each turret needs to be able to kill another.  They just have different ways of doing it, and don't operate best in same conditions.

 

Having said all that, I likely agree that 1) damage buff is way too much (10% more reasonable) and 2) freezing effect at M3+ could use a slight buff.

 

 

Well, thing is, if devs implemented it and keep mentioning it, it is designed to be a support turret, but players can use it in any way. obviously i rarely see a freeze doing any of these things too,it isnt worth it, but it is there. they themselves are changing the turret's true objective, they give freeze all the tools but then they decide it wasnt enough and make it op..

 

And the debuff on isida's healing is a big minus, now isida's just dont even heal as much ,In general, team play is dying in this game, if a guy is carrying a flag the isidas or other teammates usually just let him die so they can snag the flag for a higher score.

 

when a turret is intended to do one thing and does the other, like for example magnum is supposed to be the campers turret, it is used as more like a close combat turret, because it can one shot light hulls and doesnt get as high of a score when is used by camping. when these things happen, it just screams bad game design.

 

It is, but the turrets do have roles assigned to them. shaft is a long ranged attacker, so is railgun, magnum, striker, and vulcan. smoky, thunder, rico and twins are mid range attackers, hammer and firebird are close range attackers. isida and freeze were designed to be support turrets, and were made slightly weaker so players used it less as a regular close combat weapon. before, you used freeze as a stealthy killer, getting behind an enemy and swiftly taking it down. or you could be the defender, slowing down the flag bearer, so he cannot escape with the flag. Freeze wasnt meant to do high damage.

[sensei_tanker 3,098]

Deal with it. Buy Freeze protection. Freeze isn't viable at my rank because everyone carries 50% protection. Sucks to be you. Learn how to fight Freeze, it's not that OP. 

 

Look, whenever a Warrant Officer whines about how unbalanced the game is, I laugh. Or I get really annoyed. Because you are out here complaining about the game when you've barely played it. 

Edited August 2, 2018 by sensei_tanker

[wolverine848 13,097]

Deal with it. Buy Freeze protection. Freeze isn't viable at my rank because everyone carries 50% protection. Sucks to be you. Learn how to fight Freeze, it's not that OP. 

 

Look, whenever a Warrant Officer whines about how unbalanced the game is, I laugh. Or I get really annoyed. Because you are out here complaining about the game when you've barely played it. 

Um... it is very OP after the 30% buff.   My alt (at major) has been using it and wiping out the enemy left and right.

 

And I'm seeing many more now - at legend - after the buff.  Players pulled them out of storage and are now terrorizing the field.

 

Since you can only equip 3 modules, it's a tough choice between Rail/Thunder/Magnum and now Freeze and Twins on smaller maps.

[sensei_tanker 3,098]

Um... it is very OP after the 30% buff.   My alt (at major) has been using it and wiping out the enemy left and right.

 

And I'm seeing many more now - at legend - after the buff.  Players pulled them out of storage and are now terrorizing the field.

 

Since you can only equip 3 modules, it's a tough choice between Rail/Thunder/Magnum and now Freeze and Twins on smaller maps.

Sorry, I meant that it is not OP considering how many times people equip freeze protections now. Statistically wise it's very OP. But in use, it is actually not very effective since many Legends do pick Freeze modules (Freeze + Railgun + Thunder/Magnum/Twins is very common now)

[Maf 32,300]

 

Topic merged

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

Sorry, I meant that it is not OP considering how many times people equip freeze protections now. Statistically wise it's very OP. But in use, it is actually not very effective since many Legends do pick Freeze modules (Freeze + Railgun + Thunder/Magnum/Twins is very common now)

The problem is that the developers keep shifting balance drastically and then buff the overpowered turrets because everyone uses protection against them. If they made freeze do less damage, people would protect against it less. Now protections against OP turrets are standard garage equipment because it's impossible to play against them without it. At least freeze is a melee turret with glaring weaknesses and not a long range turret like magnum and thunder.

[PowerForward 20]

Developer try to solve problem, but they solve it usually wrong way. Freeze doesn't need a damage buff, btu it need a freezing effect buff in higher ranks. 

My idea to magnum would be to make splash radius associated with shot length. That would also make people shoot from further away and make close-range shots less OP. Developers shoudl definitely find  a balance in that

For me some turrets like Rico and twins are OP. Shaft is trash just like vulcan and railgun. Probably best long-range turret is rico with alt :D

[enri_chill 265]

Developer try to solve problem, but they solve it usually wrong way. Freeze doesn't need a damage buff, btu it need a freezing effect buff in higher ranks. 

My idea to magnum would be to make splash radius associated with shot length. That would also make people shoot from further away and make close-range shots less OP. Developers shoudl definitely find  a balance in that

For me some turrets like Rico and twins are OP. Shaft is trash just like vulcan and railgun. Probably best long-range turret is rico with alt :D

I agree with your ideas here. My only objection is that Rico is really not OP. It's limited energy (i.e., shots) keeps it from being OP. Twins, however,...now that is a totally different story:) 

[nemoetnihil 388]

I agree with your ideas here. My only objection is that Rico is really not OP. It's limited energy (i.e., shots) keeps it from being OP. Twins, however,...now that is a totally different story:) 

Indeed, twins is OP.  Of course if Freeze stays the way it is, no one will pay attention to Twins, and I will stay OP :ph34r:

[splitterpoint 10,986]

I earned 215.000 crystals in 3 weeks thanks to all these containers lol,

 

Man what am I going to do with them if all I do is Microupgrading in 50% sales. #struggles

[ghost-guns 1,486]

Deal with it. Buy Freeze protection. Freeze isn't viable at my rank because everyone carries 50% protection. Sucks to be you. Learn how to fight Freeze, it's not that OP. 

 

Look, whenever a Warrant Officer whines about how unbalanced the game is, I laugh. Or I get really annoyed. Because you are out here complaining about the game when you've barely played it. 

I'm not spending 125,000 crystals on protection... that's boring and I play games for enjoyment. Anyway, 35% protection will make no difference so you will have to spend another 200k... wallet warriors only. I have 41% protection against twins and it does nothing, so freeze protection will be even more useless.

[splitterpoint 10,986]

I am sitting on a load of crystals right now waiting on the next good sale, which is in September. I am all M4 all but one hull and all but two turrets. I have every protection and some are mu all the way. I also have drone about half mu. I get a few more mu here and there and buy 2 more turrets and I am about through. I guess then I buy drugs or paints that I don't want.

Ahh you're the perfect example of someone who reached peak performance here; This is one of the reasons why people stop playing when the game does not introduce a new form of progression.

 

Tanki did however! They are consumables in the form of drones. Quick boosts that are active for a limited amount of time. The drone itself and the mu's don't do anything unless the player keeps buying batteries: that way the player keeps investing crystals and there's some sort of goal.

 

Do you like it this way? Do you feel the final goals of a maxed out legend must excist out of gaining and using batteries?

 

Perhaps my view is biased, I exclude all the contests to gain unique paints and skins or participating in clans and making friends. One could also decide to join the staff and help the community when actual playing gets boring ánd if there's enough spare time ofcourse.

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

I earned 215.000 crystals in 3 weeks thanks to all these containers lol,

Man what am I going to do with them if all I do is Microupgrading in 50% sales. #struggles

Umm donate them to me? :ph34r:

[dapix1234 0]

Deal with it. Buy Freeze protection. Freeze isn't viable at my rank because everyone carries 50% protection. Sucks to be you. Learn how to fight Freeze, it's not that OP. 

 

Look, whenever a Warrant Officer whines about how unbalanced the game is, I laugh. Or I get really annoyed. Because you are out here complaining about the game when you've barely played it. 

 

Said the man who played 240 hours with freeze .  The next turret is railgun  and you played only 80 hours.  Nice job mate. Keep it real. 

[SageoftheSixPaths 215]

Nerf Thunder or Buff Railgun

 

As any sane person knows, thunder was already OP since its irresponsible creation. With with recent undeserving buff it received, it has become more OP than Freeze. It MUST be nerfed at all costs. This noob weapon's damage to reload ratio is several folds higher than that of Railgun which actually requires skill to use. It fires 4 shots in the time railgun takes to make one.

1. Drastically increase its reload - at least by a factor of 300% or decrease Railgun's reload time to <1.5 secs.

 

It is in every way better than Railgun at all ranges.

2.Reduce range to <200 m

 

It destroys tanks easily in a very short amount of time- this is coming from someone who has thunder protection module permanently equipped.

3. Reduce damage by 80% and splash damage radius by 60% or increase railgun's damage by 70% and introduce splash damage to Railgun.

 

Further, its impact is much more powerful that Railgun's which is nonsense.

4. So either thunder's impact has to be reduced by 90-95% or Railgun's impact force be increased by 100-200%.

 

The entire reason Freeze received a buff was because all melee turrets have to equally effective at short ranges,

By applying the same logic to long range turrets, any person with a functioning brain can see that thunder is grossly overpowered compared to Railgun. That's why either thunder must be severely nerfed or Railgun must receive a massive buff.

 

I hope you will deliver this important message to the developers and hopefully we will see a pleasant change for the better.

[Strikechard123 241]

nerf freeze, lower smoky impact force, delete magnum, perfect game