category Let's Discuss Game Balance

[The_Pakistani 16,768]

Tesla is weak against that, if isida with this aug have booster or defender.

Edited August 4, 2021 by The_Pakistani

[wolverine848 13,097]

29 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

The ranged turrets have increased in power over the years to deal with melee turrets easier before they get into range.

And what about Vampire versus the shorter range turrets?

Isida was NOT a weakling versus those turrets before.  Now, it would be god-like.

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

Just now, wolverine848 said:

And what about Vampire versus the shorter range turrets?

Isida was NOT a weakling versus those turrets before.  Now, it would be god-like.

Is it still godlike as you say now that Tesla is here and Firebird and Freeze have triple damage critical hits? Do keep in mind that critical hits are disabled with Vampire Nanobots. 

[DaringDeer 656]

At close range Tesla and Isida Vampire is close.  All things being equal (same drones and equally protected and 50% critical protection), it is really a question of whether the Isida runs out of power or not.  Tesla enjoys prolonging the conflict.  I think if neither protects against the other then the Isida wins and if they are both protected against the other then Tesla wins.  If there is no critical protection then Tesla has an advantage.  If both using Defender then I think Tesla has an advantage.  Including potential damage from the Tesla energy nugget likely also needs to be taken into account.  Some interesting scenarios to test out.

@TheCongoSpider stop using stun rail and dictator.  It is irritating. :)

[Dosheg 868]

pls no 

[FrozenRailgun 1,771]

36 minutes ago, Dosheg said:

pls no 

Yes plz <3

[PirateSpider 1,489]

Honestly, I think nerfing the self heal down to 35% but buffing the healing to teammates to 30 health points per tick should be the starting point. Even 25% seems too much of a nerf from 50%.

[mjmj5558 2,346]

1 hour ago, DaringDeer said:

@TheCongoSpider stop using stun rail and dictator.  It is irritating. :)

^{And what if i tell you that he's using it just because of you}

[thunderhunter123 741]

Yeah, a good nerf along with a buff is a good balance to always do.

Other Weapons, ... only get nerfed. I wish they can get some small improvements along with the negative changes.

But I think Developers will do this when they get the statistics.

[wolverine848 13,097]

3 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

Is it still godlike as you say now that Tesla is here and Firebird and Freeze have triple damage critical hits? Do keep in mind that critical hits are disabled with Vampire Nanobots. 

So without vampirism Isida stands no chance against FireBird and Freeze?

And the balance is to introduce an exotic augment?

[Frylock 1,617]

48 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

So without vampirism Isida stands no chance against FireBird and Freeze?

And the balance is to introduce an exotic augment?

Well I also have this augment it doesn't land crits, decent without a drone but not OP, the ones that really cause an issue are the ones using defender or crisis with it. I would use lifeguard as a stalling tactic with it. But everyone has their own playing style. As for the second statement, the balance against an isida user would be long ranged turrets since isida doesnt have reach compared to other range classes.

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

55 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

So without vampirism Isida stands no chance against FireBird and Freeze?

And the balance is to introduce an exotic augment?

You claim that Vampire Nanobots is broken to this day, the same you did when it was released. It's important to have experience fighting against it (and ideally, experience using the augment yourself but it is exclusive for gambling so not reliable). As far as I'm aware, you haven't been playing the game for a while. Why not come back and fight those Vampire Isidas to see if anything has changed, or deduce why exactly they are OP? Especially with all the balance changes happening that you've missed. 

 

As soon as you take away a meta drone from a Vampire Isida, they become much more manageable. It's really only the ones using heightened defenses/effective HP (Defender, Crisis, Lifeguard) that are the problem. 

[wolverine848 13,097]

43 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

You claim that Vampire Nanobots is broken to this day, the same you did when it was released. It's important to have experience fighting against it (and ideally, experience using the augment yourself but it is exclusive for gambling so not reliable). As far as I'm aware, you haven't been playing the game for a while. Why not come back and fight those Vampire Isidas to see if anything has changed, or deduce why exactly they are OP? Especially with all the balance changes happening that you've missed. 

 

As soon as you take away a meta drone from a Vampire Isida, they become much more manageable. It's really only the ones using heightened defenses/effective HP (Defender, Crisis, Lifeguard) that are the problem. 

EVERY player uses a drone now - or they might as well not play.

Defender & Crisis are two of the most popular drones.  So... how you figure someone that can get the exclusive augment won't have access to those two drones?

Why are they OP? because in attacking, they get 50% of 1000 dmg/sec back as health.

In attacking the only thing vampire loses is the critical (provides no damage boost) - which only comes into play when facing Isida protection.

I'm not playing until they remove much of the crap they added.  So... likely I'm I'm done.  But you make it sound like I've been absent for 6 months.  Not even close to the case.

[PirateSpider 1,489]

51 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

I'm not playing until they remove much of the crap they added.  So... likely I'm I'm done.  But you make it sound like I've been absent for 6 months.  Not even close to the case.

Removing the permanent exp boost, status effect turret augments, inability to MU equipment, four modes from MM, gauss and hopper would be a great start.

[frezeandvik 71]

8 hours ago, thunderhunter123 said:

Yeah, a good nerf along with a buff is a good balance to always do.

If something is OP, the only needed balance is to nerf it.

[frezeandvik 71]

6 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

you haven't been playing the game for a while. Why not come back and fight those Vampire Isidas to see if anything has changed, or deduce why exactly they are OP?

The developers have said about old Isida that health recovering while attacking was OP, and they returned it now with much more OP Augment.. Isida now have more damage than it was, and higher recovery than what developers said OP to old Isida.

[Frylock 1,617]

13 minutes ago, frezeandvik said:

The developers have said about old Isida that health recovering while attacking was OP, and they returned it now with much more OP Augment.. Isida now have more damage than it was, and higher recovery than what developers said OP to old Isida.

That was back then before Drones and ODs were introduced so of course its gonna be OP back then. Now since we have drones, ODs, Status effects, and more its not OP in this time frame. Now you have way more recourses to counter isida players even with the vampire nanobots augment.

Edited August 5, 2021 by MysticBlood

[thunderhunter123 741]

12 hours ago, frezeandvik said:

If something is OP, the only needed balance is to nerf it.

Yeah, that's true.

But other times, players feel a Turret and Augment is pretty balanced already. When this gets changed, they want a buff along with the nerf, so they still feel pretty satisfied about the equal changes.

[Cleric 1,385]

On 7/31/2021 at 8:41 PM, erppi said:

please nerf viking. it is ruining all the fun from every single gamemode. i cannot enjoy anything anymore because of that hulls od. It drives everyone mad, and desbite several complaints, negative feedbackk, and obvius nummbers indicating, it has not been nerfed. this is priority number one. Nerfing viking is must. im seriusly considering to quit the game because of this hull, and that would really, really sucks, because i have invested a big, BIG amount of money into this this game. 

 

Please, nerf it. hard.

It takes the Russians over a year to nerf Hornet. Good luck with viking.

[G-92 104]

On 7/31/2021 at 1:41 PM, erppi said:

it has not been nerfed. this is priority number one. Nerfing viking is must.

So a viking with active overdrive kills you a few times and it's the no.1 priority to nerf.

I have never understood players that complain about viking, it's not OP and I can think of about 10 other things that trump vikings overdrive by a mile.

Get a grip, you see a viking with a overdrive ready then choose the sensible option, rather than the option you seem to favour.   

[Benefactor 6,888]

On 7/31/2021 at 8:41 AM, erppi said:

please nerf viking. it is ruining all the fun from every single gamemode. i cannot enjoy anything anymore because of that hulls od. It drives everyone mad, and desbite several complaints, negative feedbackk, and obvius nummbers indicating, it has not been nerfed. this is priority number one. Nerfing viking is must. im seriusly considering to quit the game because of this hull, and that would really, really sucks, because i have invested a big, BIG amount of money into this this game. 

 

Please, nerf it. hard.

Viking OD occurs twice in a full battle. Every other hull gets to use their OD at least 4+ times in battle. So what is so OP about the Viking OD? You just have to play STG/RFG with the Nuke box when you see opponent Vikings in battle.

[PirateSpider 1,489]

7 hours ago, Benefactor said:

Viking OD occurs twice in a full battle. Every other hull gets to use their OD at least 4+ times in battle. So what is so OP about the Viking OD? You just have to play STG/RFG with the Nuke box when you see opponent Vikings in battle.

You know why they complain about it? Its because they don't know how to counter it themselves, or I guess they try to falsify the claims by going up against it head on.

7 hours ago, G-92 said:

So a viking with active overdrive kills you a few times and it's the no.1 priority to nerf.

I have never understood players that complain about viking, it's not OP and I can think of about 10 other things that trump vikings overdrive by a mile.

Get a grip, you see a viking with a overdrive ready then choose the sensible option, rather than the option you seem to favour.   

I find all the following more annoying than Viking by a mile and then some:

•wasp bomb.

•hopper OD.

•titan OD.

•gauss.

•status effect turret augments.

•scout rail gun.

•auto cannon smoky.

•rapid fire mode shaft.

•plasma torch Rico.

•defender drone.

• post buff shafts in low ranks.

[G-92 104]

@PirateSpider It's like you said, they can't negate it's overdrive. Lacking in the necessary skill to do so I assume.

Their problem and nothing to do with vikings overdrive. 

[PirateSpider 1,489]

19 minutes ago, G-92 said:

@PirateSpider It's like you said, they can't negate it's overdrive. Lacking in the necessary skill to do so I assume.

Their problem and nothing to do with vikings overdrive. 

Yeah, you don't don't even need OD to counter Viking OD either. Since Viking is wide and long, you can just hit its corners and it'll throw off the Vikings aim temporarily, which makes it lose precious moments of firing at its exact target. Only way a Viking can counter this is by having heavyweight augment equipped.

You can also hide from the Viking.

They say that Viking can counter every single OD. Well that may be true, but it can also be countered by every single OD.

 

I am more annoyed by wasp and hopper OD. They can easily use their shear speed to catch up to you and then activate OD and with wasp you're dead 90% of the time. Hopper only kills you if you don't have a repair kit handy. And there's literally only 2 maybe 3 things that can counter them.

[Benefactor 6,888]

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