category Let's Discuss Game Balance

[The-Operator219 1,929]

There is a mini problem with hull balance, If you would closely look at base stats in the garage

-M0 Viking has more armor than M0 Dictator. R.I.P M0 Dictator, having less armor and speed than another hull of the same M. 

-M1 Hunter has more armor than M1 Viking, so M1 Viking is forever weak.

-M2 Viking has more armor than M2 Dictator. M2 Dictator should be classified as a type of scam.

Can you developers please alter the stats of M0-2 Medium Hulls so that one is not infinitely better than the other.

Dictator isn't really supposed to be the most armored.

It fills the gap between tier one and tier two.

Viking is designed to be a slightly beefier replacement for Hunter.

M1 Hunter is still taken out in one hit just as easily.

[MrCheezyPotato 850]

There is a mini problem with hull balance, If you would closely look at base stats in the garage

-M0 Viking has more armor than M0 Dictator. R.I.P M0 Dictator, having less armor and speed than another hull of the same M. 

-M1 Hunter has more armor than M1 Viking, so M1 Viking is forever weak.

-M2 Viking has more armor than M2 Dictator. M2 Dictator should be classified as a type of scam.

Can you developers please alter the stats of M0-2 Medium Hulls so that one is not infinitely better than the other.

Well have you taken into account the ranks that those hulls unlock and tye prices? If Viking M1 had alot more armor than Hunter M1, nobody would buy Hunter because its like 30k while Viking is only 6k and Viking unlocks REALLY early, but Hunter unlocks around WO3 or WO4.

Before the big mu update around october, you could easily get M0 dictator to have way more health than viking by doing only like 4 health upgrades. M2 Dictator also probebly can be mu-ed a little bit to be better than Viking, although the new mu system kinda messed that up a bit.... >:(

 

Also remember that Viking and Dictator are nearly opposites in their size and shape... Viking is the lowest hull while Dictator is the tallest, so a slight difference in the stock modifications would not always make people choose one over the other of the shapes are so different. People who lioe height would go with Dictator even if Viking was a little better in speed and armor.

 

I think that could also be a reason why the devs have Dictator as a heavy hull in TankiX...

 

Bro you are getting it wrong , freeze is not a turret that is to be used alone ,

 

1-the greatest asset of freeze is slowing the tanks down and not necessarily kill a tank , use the turret with that objective and not to kill 

 

2- If the charge is lowered and damage is increased , as suggested by you , what will be the diffrence between firebird and freeze , comparing it , firebird deals huge damage in short time and still has after burn effect ( to understand this go with a viking without 30% infront of fire m3 ) , on the otherhand when we will use freeze of our specifications the charge is lower so we will end up fast enough and even if the damage is increased it won't add up to firebird's damage plus it will not do any damage after you have finished the charge .

Yes, I've also realized that freeze is incredibly nerfed, I can you tell you this, when I shoot, I feel like I'm literally doing no damage, I'd say lower the charge but increase the damage, because its toooo long in my opinion.

Well, i thinm freeze just needs to have its freezeing effect buffed a little...maybe slightly less than before aince obviously there was a problem with tye previous version, but now its in between a turret for a solo peraon and a turret for a team person...therefore nobody can use it efficiantly...i agree that it cant get more damage aince it will be toi close to firebird, but it does need a change so it will work a bit more for peoppe...you really need skills and drugs to get to the top of the leaderboard with freeze in a big battle... :(

[fordmustang12345 3,910]

I don't know why , but i hink the popularity of shaft is again going up , i ca now see at least one in every map apart from very small ones

people are realizing that hardly anyone has Shaft protection and that means easier kills . Plus a drugged M4 shaft can 1 shot a non drugged M3 mammoth :o

[Gigalink 116]

people are realizing that hardly anyone has Shaft protection and that means easier kills . Plus a drugged M4 shaft can 1 shot a non drugged M3 mammoth :o

That's true, I don't see a lot of Jade paint, making it easy to snipe.

[MrCheezyPotato 850]

people are realizing that hardly anyone has Shaft protection and that means easier kills . Plus a drugged M4 shaft can 1 shot a non drugged M3 mammoth :o

Well...whats the likelyhood of the mammy already being damaged too? (Its alot)

 

So that means that a M4 Shaft can one shot a M4 Mammy most of the time...

[Hayagriva 107]

Show in next V-log how russian e-sport nob dragers destroy enemies with out draging + 2-3 mults on poligon who never go center, great job.

 

tanki is ghost town...

 

i had today tribute map and i had to take isyda to finish it, there was no maps, and all game was empty for reasonably game. I do nto understund what are u waiting for? all to go out?

 

noob game

noob multsn

oob admin mod mafia - give ban for mult naming players

and secure mult propaganda

[Hayagriva 107]

Multing if provokacy, but if they mult
you lose battle, and u write to them you got ban.

mafia - die in hel

[MrCheezyPotato 850]

:mellow:

[MrCheezyPotato 850]

Tanki hasnt died yet btw. I suspect it will last at least 3 more years

 

 

Minecraft for example....that exploded in popularity.... its still popular, but never as it once had been. Ill guess about 7 years for that one. (Remember tanki came out way before most game today...tanki is much older in comparison)Most everyone that i know only ever hears of minecraft when theres a hilarious video of some obbsessed 5 year old who rages when he dies or if they decide to download an insane amount of mods for it, which is basically playing a completly different game but with the same controls and a few more. That has gotten much less popular and yet it still exists and makes money... just like tanki...which means the game is still alive and well...

People say that tanki should have stayed as how it had been in 2013, but the devs needed to evolve the game in order to still gain new players. There would also still be hundreds of complaints daily about mults and troll and crystal hunters... A bit of the high rank people complain about that alot and say that it used to be better *cough*Hayagriva*cough*, and alot of noobs also hear about the things like crystal boxes then they will complain. But the vast majority of the forums is high ranks who have been playing since the game was "better" then those otherbpeople who know almost nothing about tanki history exceot the big things like crystal boxes. They dont think about why the boxes were removed and just spam the I&S thread sometimes asking for them back¹. And btw, im not saying everyone is like that.

 

The devs do take into consideration the average players, which im guessing is around or so. Those are the people that the devs really put work into most likely. I say this cause alot of peopl say that the game was much more fun around those ranks, plus i just see the mowt amount of those ranks online at one time anyways. I see many people atop playing tanki either at those ranks or slightly afterwards, so its dumb if tye devs put most effort into high ranks where not aw many people are. I know that gismos still do deserve the devs to be working there too, but dont base all your opinions off of gismo experiences. Gismos have the most gameplay experience most often, but not always game experience....

 

Just cause the servers are empty at one time doesent mean tanki died. I actually went into my tiny alt and saw there was only 20 battles available one time...then 2 hours later there was like 200....

Its all about your timezone and rank, thats what determines the kinds of battles you will probebly have

 

 

 

¹I was one of those noobs who didnt know why the boxes were removed too btw. And i really wanted them to be back. But...i didnt repeatedly as for them. I just asked a high ranked player who i thought seemed pretty smart with the history, then left it at that. I understood why and i think its a very good reason, and i cant remember onetime where iv said "plssss add crystal boxes baackk"

If someine finds one of my post that say something like that, id like if they told me about it.

 

[Hayagriva 107]

Tanki hasnt died yet btw. I suspect it will last at least 3 more years

 

 

The devs do take into consideration the average players, which im guessing is around or so. Those are the people that the devs really put work into most likely. I say this cause alot of peopl say that the game was much more fun around those ranks, plus i just see the mowt amount of those ranks online at one time anyways. I see many people atop playing tanki either at those ranks or slightly afterwards, so its dumb if tye devs put most effort into high ranks where not aw many people are. I know that gismos still do deserve the devs to be working there too, but dont base all your opinions off of gismo experiences. Gismos have the most gameplay experience most often, but not always game experience....

 

Not realy, man.

Devs mod admions - play on their boosted accounts + draging + kits + super crystal pockets.

Regular players at all ranks hate all mults and racism in premium founding players, and mafia triks.

Regular player is free someone to kil by other buyers.

 

This game is only nice for people who have a special priviliges, beter equipment, and lots of suplis

against lower armored tanks, not immortal pockets, and not so much experienced.

 

Addiction to power + endorfins + not respekting the game.

 

Racism is main problem in this game.

Corruption in tanki crew.

Suporting buyers, what ever they do - they are holy cows, you get ban for pointing buyer,

nob buyer for destroying game.

 

do in video blog some story how u destroy dragerrs with no draging

wit m2 agains m3/m3+/m4 tanks.

And show me the real fun of this. REAL FUN on your face how yu like be kiled all the time.

[danilo8667 234]

I feel like Firebird is way too OP in lower ranks, while it's a lot weaker in higher ranks. I think it should be balanced...

[Hayagriva 107]

 

I feel like Firebird is way too OP in lower ranks, while it's a lot weaker in higher ranks. I think it should be balanced...

 

fire now is nob weapon, friz was weaker - now is muich more advanced than fire.

Tanki in past said - no wory just use weapon u like - it will be blanaced.

ofcourse, it is not.

 

MU of friz m4 is 80

MU of fire m4 is 72

 

Result = fire noob

[MrCheezyPotato 850]

 

 

do in video blog some story how u destroy dragerrs with no draging

wit m2 agains m3/m3+/m4 tanks.

And show me the real fun of this. REAL FUN on your face how yu like be kiled all the time.

+1

 

Uhh...no.....I almost never drug anymore....and i still have fun even with big druggers. A big reason is because i insult them without breaking any rules :P 

Iv also played on  gismo with M2 Hornet with drugging wasp/hammers... That was insanely annoying....and i still put up a good fight and eventually some more people joined my team. In the end, my team dominated with little to no drugs.

Edited April 28, 2016 by MrCheezyPotato

[MrCheezyPotato 850]

fire now is nob weapon, friz was weaker - now is muich more advanced than fire.

Tanki in past said - no wory just use weapon u like - it will be blanaced.

ofcourse, it is not.

 

MU of friz m4 is 80

MU of fire m4 is 72

 

Result = fire noob

:mellow:

[Maf 32,300]

MU of friz m4 is 80

MU of fire m4 is 72

 

Result = fire noob

Are you just looking at the damage values and not taking into account anything else? That's a very naive assumption.

 

It's not just the damage that decides which gun is stronger, but all other factors also contribute. For firebird you missed the most obvious thing: burning damage, which adds on to the default damage. In addition to that there is a difference in maximum damage range, minimum damage range, energy reserve size, energy expenditure rate, recharge speed, even turret rotation speed matters. All of them have to be balanced to make the guns similar in power.

[Hayagriva 107]

Are you just looking at the damage values and not taking into account anything else? That's a very naive assumption.

 

It's not just the damage that decides which gun is stronger, but all other factors also contribute. For firebird you missed the most obvious thing: burning damage, which adds on to the default damage. In addition to that there is a difference in maximum damage range, minimum damage range, energy reserve size, energy expenditure rate, recharge speed, even turret rotation speed matters. All of them have to be balanced to make the guns similar in power.

 

That's a very naive assumption.

 

No Mafia man.

 

Look meaby fore the data man:

Your profile:

http://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/mafioso/

 

Firebird M3

Hours played   7.1 Experience earned   16 249

 

 

My profile man - Hayagriva

 

http://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/Hayagriva/

 

Firebird M3

Hours played   325 Experience earned  

508 961

 

 

Data result

 

Experience

Hayagriva - Mafia Mod

325 hours - 7.1 hours

 

Whos da gos man?

Whos?

 

 

Experience vol 2.

Hayagriva                                          - Mafia Mod

508 961 EXPERIENCE on da weapon - 16 249 exp

 

 

 

Result - read watch and learn.

 

 

And You got isyda m0 - so u completly do not understund the reals of da fire vs isyda combats.

No esperience at all  with it.

 

I am not buyer, or owner of da weapon, i am user,

and on fire i know what i am talking

not talk what i know....

 

 

This what you said is marketing mind polution.

 

I write this many times, lots of kils of fire bird crew ninjas are stole by other tanks.

War between isyda nad fire is lost, if you are lucky isyda on hornet wil die on afterburn

on viking no so sure, - in the same you use wiking.

 

FIRE NOB.

 

 

ALl tha res man you write - bla bla bla - marketing talks.

I got experience man of fire - half MILION score is more than 16 k.

I use this weapon and i know what kind of noob it is.

 

I like it, and to kil some other you need more - read all - wapon.

Tanki noob - destroy my fire.

 

I played more on fire in lower ranks, but with a time it was toooooooo low power.

Until m3 i could get some more, stats camed tooo late to see all da situation.

 

Bla bla bla marketing = nob.

Play half milion score on da fire - than said something.

 

Ofcourse you can have 10 hidden acc and play fire all the time,

but if you say - fire is good not nob weapon, and is beter than in past

you are corupted by tanki ohnkline mod job man.

 

You cant say the true man.

 

YOU DESTRPOYED THIS WEAPON

 

I got friz around 70 and fdire 72 before this destroying fire balance.

And after this my fire was done ultimate nob weapon,

and friz power max to compere with it.

 

Ofcourse - now friz do not friz too. Noob frizz efect.

 

U destroy this weapons. NOOB.

 

Mafia mod friz life.

Freeze M3

Hours played   0.4 Experience earned   644

 

man

 

half of da hour u spend on that weapon man? :) nice experience man.

 

 

Hayagriva

Freeze M3

Hours played   122 Experience earned   252 512

 

 

And it was from buying m2 friz my only weapon - i was gattering crystals to 50% SALE

and for aroud 500 000 bouthg lots of m2 tanks and weapons, i played lots of on this weapons

and not marketing gadki are not in a good moe here man.

 

You want to help - excecute mult service on poligon

- hiding under platfrom

- not going to center

- reloading pages

 

You behave like nob clan of destroyers tanki online, not competetive to a real taking care about game,

customers, and all around sociaty morale mode.

 

NOOB.

 

OPEN EYES start play on regulare accounts, regular rules, with regular problems,

whit no admin mod abilities, whan you use super root doors for having fun.

 

With a time you can stay in game when only you got fun.

 

FRIZ + FIRE noob!

 

No friz efect

and after burn put in marketing closet, or do funciotn more power no afterbuirning

i prefer more power than after burning.

 

Reduce all weaposn and do after effects hahahahah nob efekt.

After friz is already reduced too.

You are frizin ig is frizing - you stop it is stped in the same time = noob.

 

+ shaft scope - another noob thing, i stoped useing shaft almost completly

it was my favorite for nice spending time weapon, now it is scome noob mode ulses gadget.

 

Ban all - this is what yoru are good in.

Edited April 28, 2016 by Hayagriva

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Show in next V-log how russian e-sport nob dragers destroy enemies with out draging + 2-3 mults on poligon who never go center, great job.

 

tanki is ghost town...

 

i had today tribute map and i had to take isyda to finish it, there was no maps, and all game was empty for reasonably game. I do nto understund what are u waiting for? all to go out?

 

noob game

noob multsn

oob admin mod mafia - give ban for mult naming players

and secure mult propaganda

[Maf 32,300]

 

 

Experience

Hayagriva - Mafia Mod

325 hours - 7.1 hours

 

Whos da gos man?

Whos?

 

 

Experience vol 2.

Hayagriva                                          - Mafia Mod

508 961 EXPERIENCE on da weapon - 16 249 exp

 

For one, I'm not actually saying that you're wrong about Firebird being underpowered. I'm just saying that you're wrong in the way you came to that conclusion - by only looking at the raw damage values.

 

Besides, experience from playing with the actual weapon doesn't matter all that much when you compare their effectiveness. I'm sure that thanks to all those hours you spent playing with fire you know all the ins and outs of the gun and the little tactics and best strategies for it, which I may not have figured out yet, but in my opinion 7 hours of gameplay is more than enough to evaluate where the weapon stands in game balance. In fact, you don't even have to play with the weapon to see how good it is. Comparing enemies with Fire and enemies with Freeze when playing against them is enough. And trust me, that I have done a LOT.

 

And You got isyda m0 - so u completly do not understund the reals of da fire vs isyda combats.

No esperience at all  with it.

I have no idea why you have to bring Isida into this (out of all other guns), but what makes you think I don't have an Isida M3 on another account? And, as a matter of fact, I do. And I spent at least 100 hours playing with it after the latest Isida balance update (before ratings were added). So don't tell me about not knowing how to play with Isida.

 

 

You want to help - excecute mult service on poligon

- hiding under platfrom

- not going to center

- reloading pages

 

You behave like nob clan of destroyers tanki online, not competetive to a real taking care about game,

customers, and all around sociaty morale mode.

 

NOOB.

 

OPEN EYES start play on regulare accounts, regular rules, with regular problems,

whit no admin mod abilities, whan you use super root doors for having fun.

 

...

 

Ban all - this is what yoru are good in

You are saying this as if I'm a developer and I actually change things in the game.

1. I have absolutely no influence on what developers do. I can't make them add a new anti-mult system or change the parameters of weapons
2. I'm not Yele. I can't change the way Game Violators mods work either. All your complaints about mults are pointless when you address them to me.
3. I have no "admin mod abilities". The only special thing I get is an 18% protection paint, and even that I can't always use. There is no reason to assume that the game is easier for me just because I'm a mod.
4. I can't ban. At all. So even though I appreciate your attempt to insult me, but you kind of failed. 

 

 

FRIZ + FIRE noob!

 

No friz efect

and after burn put in marketing closet, or do funciotn more power no afterbuirning

i prefer more power than after burning.

So you're now saying that both Fire and Freeze are weak? OK, sure - that might be true. I have no idea because I'm not "experienced enough" to know. But this whole post of yours started with only saying that Fire is weak because it has lower base damage.

 

This what you said is marketing mind polution.

 

ALl tha res man you write - bla bla bla - marketing talks.

 

Bla bla bla marketing = nob.

Play half milion score on da fire - than said something.

 

i played lots of on this weapons

and not marketing gadki are not in a good moe here man.

 

and after burn put in marketing closet,

I don't even know why you keep saying "marketing". Marketing of the game has nothing to do with Fire and/or Freeze being weak, so by adding this to your argument you just made it even more confusing and senseless. And the grammar was bad enough to start with.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So yeah, I can't tell what you're trying to say here, but my point in the previous post was simple - if you want to compare the effectiveness of any two weapons or hulls, you have to take into account more that just their base values. And my experience with using Freeze or Firebird has nothing to do with this.

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Preach!

So I was skimming through his post and I've come to the conclusion he has only used Firebird at the rank of Private and immediately switched to something that gives a more instant result. Firebird has low base damage, yes, but it's afterburn compensates.

Freeze has next to no damage, but it's Freeze effect prolongs it's inevitable demise. The reason some people dislike Firebird and Freeze is because they have slower results. But the whole point of setting someone on fire is to maximize agony and suffering. If you want quick and decisive results, please stick to Railgun, Thunder, or Hammer.

[Benefactor 6,888]

 But the whole point of setting someone on fire is to maximize agony and suffering.

So as a Firebird user, sub-consciously this makes a sadistic person?  :unsure:

[The-Operator219 1,929]

No, I was making the point fire kills slowly. That's why Firebird kills slowly over time.

[MrCheezyPotato 850]

No, I was making the point fire kills slowly. That's why Firebird kills slowly over time.

I know whatyou mean, but i have to disagree with that statement when its together with firebird :P

Iv done enough Polygon CP to know that firebird is NOT a slow killer, lol. I even use Hunter, while most use Hornet, and yet im still killed quickly.

 

I also know that Firebird dose lose effectiveness in higher ranks because of paints liie Zeus though....

 

 

 

 

Now...you need to start a new account sometime before going on some rant about the game....

 

Not everything at gismo is the same as at other ranks, and you will see that if you really do make a new account and you use many different combos. I feel that the only reason i can say much of anything about balence or advice considering my rank is because first of all, i spend alot of time in the forums and think through alot of my posts and other peoples posts, secondly because i can effectively use nearly every combo, and thirdly because i have played at may different ranks withing a 3 week time period. Most of that is from alts that i ranked and then i stated playing them interchangably so i ended with alot of different experiences and ranks. I guess its because much of my tanki playing was not affected by the forums at all, and i created my own opinions without anyone elses ideas contaminateing mine.

 

What you need to do is to experience more of the game. If your a old player, you probebly dont know too much about the current game in lower ranks, and even if you do have alts then you will be constantly compareing to old tanki. Make a fresh start. Search around a bit and make a new personel combo for a brand new account, like acombo that youv always been bad with or just something you never use. Never drug unless its counter drugging. Slow down and pay attention to other players more, even if you think you could win the battle solo ;)

 

Dont ignore me on this...

And dont campare me asking you to do this to you asking the devs to change the game...

 

GL ;)

 

 

P.S. I hope that im not coming across as condecending or just weird or something :P

 

[Kosta4934 53]

What do ya think?

[r_L-E-O-P-A-R-D-2003 657]

Yes no

[Kosta4934 53]

Yes no

Keep spending your parents money on the people you dont even know.