[Issue 42] Why a 40% Off Sale is Better than 50% Off

[KillerGnat 3,135]

Volunteer? Volunteer is a person who wants to help, without any payments.

These guys (reporters) get paid 50,000 crystals per every article.

 

Of course, I'm not saying that they work for crystals, I just told you a fact. :)

Really, I didn't know that. Sorry for my nooby ignorance.

[shaurya471 313]

Tanki does really care for us. What would the reaction of all of you be if they wouldn't kept even a sale!!!??

Half a loaf is better than nothing.

At least there was a 40% decrease in prices.....Be happy with that.

BTW you alll were getting too overconfident of there being a 50% sale!

What did you think the people who said that were future/fortune tellers or what!!? :angry:  :angry:

[b_jazzy 630]

watever i still like 50% off sale xD

[b_jazzy 630]

Tanki needs money?

 

Well, I will tell you a thing: meanwhile Tanki banned players for a month (for a few insults in game) I never give you a single ruble.

 

In addition, I think all the revenue structure is wrong. Benefit paid players versus free players is a wrong policy (at least in so far as Tanki does). How many hundreds of dollars (if not thousands) are required to have a tank with full M4 equipment in a year? Full M4 tank I mean 4 turrets, 3 hulls and 3 paints. It's crazy: Tanki is the world's most expensive game.

 

It would be much better to have a free section with limited functions and other payment section in which only could improve the equipment with crystals earned in games. The payment should not in any case exceed 5 euros/month. I am sure that the vast majority of players would pay those 5 euros delighted if it gave them greater equality in the game. And would be thousands and thousands of players that every month you would enter that amount. Would it be enough for you 3 million euros/year? With this policy, I am sure you could get it.

 

Of course, at the same time you should reduce the prices of all the equipment (items with a price of 250.000/500.000 crystals is ridiculous but insane).

 

This is the point of view of someone who become Generalissimo in 5 months (less one day) and paying only 60 euros. When I was banned a month (by insults in game) I decided never to buy anything more with real money.

 

Hell33lleH/Capablancka

and now they got prenium acc

[creeperskelly 1,281]

This is what you get when the sales are lower:

 

 

The difference between 40% and 50% on Tanker's Day meant no upgrade for a hull for me - only a turret. The 30,000+ crystal difference between the cost at 40% and the cost at 50% would have allowed me to get a complete upgrade.

[GoldRock 6,165]

@creeperskelly, apply for a Reporter position if you like. And (unlike some of my colleagues here) I'm not joking. You're clearly an aware and talented analytical writer, something which we'd value.

 

By the way, as Reporters we're not absolutely obliged to shower the game with praise. We are, however, working for Tanki's official newspaper - so our articles do at least need to be balanced if they are going to be critical. Does this limit what we can write? Well yes, it does, since we need to keep in mind we're actually representing Tanki so it'd look a bit dubious to readers if we took the opportunity to dish out as much hate towards the game as possible. But is what we can write unduly limited? It's open to opinion, but I don't think it is. I am, for example, considering writing a 'response article' from the other side of the argument to what's been presented here (although I've yet to discuss that idea with Stratus), which would take a more balanced approach.

 

I am not, by the way, putting down Stratus' approach here at all, I've enjoyed considering the points which this intentionally biased article raises. That's the whole point of an 'opinion-based' piece of work, which Stratus has very effectively achieved.

 

Of course, as a Tanki Reporter it's true that you're allowed to write articles showering the game with praise but that you're unable to do the opposite. But the newspaper encourages balanced articles and critical feedback to what we write; and as I'm personally a fan of both of those things (i.e. I wouldn't want to shower the game with praise or dish out hate towards it in the first place), the newspaper has yet to limit my expression.

Edited October 27, 2015 by GoldRock

[shaurya471 313]

@creeperskelly, apply for a Reporter position if you like. And (unlike some of my colleagues here) I'm not joking. You're clearly an aware and talented analytical writer, something which we'd value.

 

By the way, as Reporters we're not absolutely obliged to shower the game with praise. We are, however, working for Tanki's official newspaper - so our articles do at least need to be balanced if they are going to be critical. Does this limit what we can write? Well yes, it does, since we need to keep in mind we're actually representing Tanki so it'd look a bit dubious to readers if we took the opportunity to dish out as much hate towards the game as possible. But is what we can write unduly limited? It's open to opinion, but I don't think it is. I am, for example, considering writing a 'response article' from the other side of the argument to what's been presented here (although I've yet to discuss that idea with Stratus), which would take a more balanced approach.

 

I am not, by the way, putting down Stratus' approach here at all, I've enjoyed considering the points which this intentionally biased article raises. That's the whole point of an 'opinion-based' piece of work, which Stratus has very effectively achieved.

 

Of course, as a Tanki Reporter it's true that you're allowed to write articles showering the game with praise but that you're unable to do the opposite. But the newspaper encourages balanced articles and critical feedback to what we write; and as I'm personally a fan of both of those things (i.e. I wouldn't want to shower the game with praise or dish out hate towards it in the first place), the newspaper has yet to limit my expression.

Yes you seem to be right!

I too want to be a reporter ... but i don't seem to know from where do you guys get all the gossip and news????

[shaurya471 313]

These premium accounts are good....... but bad for non buyers(like me :()

[dragonssk1 334]

@creeperskelly, apply for a Reporter position if you like. And (unlike some of my colleagues here) I'm not joking. You're clearly an aware and talented analytical writer, something which we'd value.

 

By the way, as Reporters we're not absolutely obliged to shower the game with praise. We are, however, working for Tanki's official newspaper - so our articles do at least need to be balanced if they are going to be critical. Does this limit what we can write? Well yes, it does, since we need to keep in mind we're actually representing Tanki so it'd look a bit dubious to readers if we took the opportunity to dish out as much hate towards the game as possible. But is what we can write unduly limited? It's open to opinion, but I don't think it is. I am, for example, considering writing a 'response article' from the other side of the argument to what's been presented here (although I've yet to discuss that idea with Stratus), which would take a more balanced approach.

 

I am not, by the way, putting down Stratus' approach here at all, I've enjoyed considering the points which this intentionally biased article raises. That's the whole point of an 'opinion-based' piece of work, which Stratus has very effectively achieved.

 

Of course, as a Tanki Reporter it's true that you're allowed to write articles showering the game with praise but that you're unable to do the opposite. But the newspaper encourages balanced articles and critical feedback to what we write; and as I'm personally a fan of both of those things (i.e. I wouldn't want to shower the game with praise or dish out hate towards it in the first place), the newspaper has yet to limit my expression.

Will be excited for your views on this article!

[HAPPSHOT 2,029]

Man this is what that explains!!

if evryone read this, i am sure that no one will evr even ask for a 20 percent 

(atleast i willnt ask)

[rocketstar31 3]

Personally, I dont want to take anyones side, as this applies to both. Im not a lawyer, Im a kid but I still make a valid point.

 

1998 Human Rights Act Art.10 (Extract)

 

1. "Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions, and to recieve and impart information and ideas without interference by... authority."

 

As you can see, freedom of expression is not only vital, its the law. I personally dont see any problem with a 40% discount, and as you can see, I am allowed to have that opinion. So please tankers, dont argue as it violates Tanki's laws ("unconstuctive critisism") and it spams the forums.

Rather ironically, Tanki then has to spend money debugging, deleting etc. comments and then cant afford discounts; then you moan 24/7 and it's back to square one. If you cant refute these points, then I'm sorry to say you just got owned by a child.  :P

 

P.S: I wanted to be a reporter because of my experience (See when i registered.) but I dont have a high enough rank and I dont have Skype.

Edited October 28, 2015 by rocketstar31

[KillerGnat 3,135]

Personally, I dont want to take anyones side, as this applies to both. Im not a lawyer, Im a kid but I still make a valid point.

 

1998 Human Rights Act Art.10 (Extract)

 

1. "Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions, and to recieve and impart information and ideas without interference by... authority."

 

As you can see, freedom of expression is not only vital, its the law. I personally dont see any problem with a 40% discount, and as you can see, I am allowed to have that opinion. So please tankers, dont argue as it violates Tanki's laws ("unconstuctive critisism") and it spams the forums.

Rather ironically, Tanki then has to spend money debugging, deleting etc. comments and then cant afford discounts; then you moan 24/7 and it's back to square one. If you cant refute these points, then I'm sorry to say you just got owned by a child.  :P

 

P.S: I wanted to be a reporter because of my experience (See when i registered.) but I dont have a high enough rank and I dont have Skype.

A person who uses his brain? No, that can't be! 

[dragonssk1 334]

Personally, I dont want to take anyones side, as this applies to both. Im not a lawyer, Im a kid but I still make a valid point.

 

1998 Human Rights Act Art.10 (Extract)

 

1. "Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions, and to recieve and impart information and ideas without interference by... authority."

 

As you can see, freedom of expression is not only vital, its the law. I personally dont see any problem with a 40% discount, and as you can see, I am allowed to have that opinion. So please tankers, dont argue as it violates Tanki's laws ("unconstuctive critisism") and it spams the forums.

Rather ironically, Tanki then has to spend money debugging, deleting etc. comments and then cant afford discounts; then you moan 24/7 and it's back to square one. If you cant refute these points, then I'm sorry to say you just got owned by a child.  :P

 

P.S: I wanted to be a reporter because of my experience (See when i registered.) but I dont have a high enough rank and I dont have Skype.

It's pretty easy makin a skype and just keep working hard. Don't ever get bad karma or it will ruin all chances of being a Tanki team member

[BlueDragon_tamki 3,204]

...

[MinuteMan.TO 14]

Is bad karma being banned?

[ariking777 940]

Sorry to say, but this article is literally full with logical holes and inconsistencies.

 

1) "The right to do what you want with what belongs to you". There is such a right, but there are cases in which it doesn't apply - for instance, in most countries around the world, not employing someone only because of his race/skin color/gender/you-get-what-I-mean, is forbidden. Although the employer has a business and the business is fully his, his rights on it aren't completely free.

 

I'm not suggesting Tanki is racist, of course - it's just an example for the fact that what you've said is a big generalization with too many exclusions to be considered right.

 

2) "What’s evil is you demanding that someone give you something at his own expense. That is the definition of theft.". Absolutely wrong. The definition of theft is someone taking something which does not belong to him and isn't in his possession at the time, against its owner's will and/or without his agreement. That's why, if you go into my home and I give you its papers (so that the house is yours), it won't be theft - there's a major factor in theft which is the lack of agreement and will from the one who's being stolen from.

 

3) "Tanki employs people who work long, hard hours to keep this game online, secure, and fun. And whether you like it or not, they need to eat.". Wrong, too.

Firstly, you can use this slogan (yeah, that's called a slogan) also on every major increase in the price of anything.

Secondly - no one in this Forum has ever said that the Developers don't need to make a living or that they shouldn't implement in the game some exclusive-to-buyers features. We've all just said that it's impossible to decrease discounts and make the game a whole lot easier for buyers, AND ALSO to expect us to be satisfied. Have you ever heard of anyone being happy about a price of anything rising? No. That's life.

 

4) "What about your parents, tanker? Are they evil for going to work and slaving away all day so that you can sit on your butt from sunup to sundown and stare at this screen, belly filled with food? I mean, they do exactly the same thing Tanki does: they charge money in exchange for goods or services. That sounds like... work! Labor! A concept you should try sometime. It’s actually very rewarding.". Yet another meaningless slogan.

When someone works and is employed somewhere, it's because the services he gives are at its consumer's expense. You can compare it to games on Steam or Origin which you must buy (or crack, but that's something else).

Tanki's motto is that it's a Free Online Game. Be it that it isn't completely free - it's more and more becoming in favor of buyers and hard on non-buyers, which is the exact opposite of what this motto imposes.

 

 

There are some more points, but I decided to stop here and let you respond before continuing.

Edited October 28, 2015 by ariking777

[BlueDragon_tamki 3,204]

^ :O

[HichigoShiiro 4,378]

Prove it. Show me a conversion ratio.

Okay then, 60,000 crystals for a European player costs 29.99 Euros, (around £22). Their bonus is 45,000 crystals.

 

But for a Russian tanker, 60,000 crystals costs a measly £12! (16.55 Euro) Also, their bonus is 60,000! 

 

So, if they buy with double crystal card for £12, they get 240,000 crystals, 

but if we do it for £22, we get 210,000. 

 

In the past I was able to buy from the russian site of the game, I managed to get 2,000,000 for a mere £50, but now even that is impossible. 

[dragonssk1 334]

Writer has to do more research and present actual facts.

[r_Arabiannoble0 1,756]

Of course, as a Tanki Reporter it's true that you're allowed to write articles showering the game with praise but that you're unable to do the opposite.

Nothing more to be said.  Perhaps you'd like to give me a bit of your salary so I can cover my 10 percent like you did, mr.chrysalis?  :)

 

 

 

What a horrible article.  Exactly like the way Hazel talked about me.  As if you are the mature adult and I'm a kid with nothing to do except play tanki.

 

You think I am your kid???  I'm not your kid, I'm your customer.

 

The buyers fund you with money to enhance gameplay, not to ruin the game to make more money, understand?

 

Seems like as soon as some kid gets an avatar he just jumps on every update and praises it to the heavens and the skies, doing no research about the Russian crystal prices and European/American crystal prices...

 

and not only does he do that, he insults my personal character and the personal character of all players.

 

Disgraceful.  Pathetic.

Edited October 28, 2015 by r_Arabiannoble0

[Maestro.Italiano 179]

I'm sorry but this is absolutely false.  I've been boiling forever about this game and it's thirst for money. 

 

So here's the whole story.  About 6 months ago...

 

I was a new Gissimo Tanker, I had every piece of equipment that I wanted, I was spending my money, no not mom's.  Then I got bored, and left.

 

I happen to have an extremely powerful PC so I bought the number one FPS PC game....Battlefield 4.

 

If you've never heard of it, google it.  It's made by EA, powerd by Frostbites, and is made possible by the developers, DICE. 

 

The game is on it's 4th generation, taking it 2-3 years to come out with a new one.  It employs nearly 200,000 people to build and make the game, the credits go on forever and ever with names of the developers and helpers and artists and mechanics and everything it takes to build a 100 GB full graphics war simulator.

 

The game, is incredible.  As seen here:

 

It's graphics are beautiful, it's balance is incredible, it's detail is unmatched.  I could go on and on.  It's a beautiful game.

 

NOW, before anyone is running to post an obvious thing like "Some don't like that kind of FPS game." 

 

Well, yes.  Battlefield 4 is for the most part 16+, requires a good PC, gameplay skills, and dedication. 

 

Battlefield 4 has better eSports, better graphics, better everything really.  And, how much does it cost? $19.99.

 

BUT, if you have the NEED to spend money and get ahead, equivelant to the buyers of Tanki, you can buy "Shortcuts", and to buy the biggest package they sell, which includes every gun, knife, and explosive in the game.  $24.99.

 

BUT, if you need more than 24 maps, you can buy PREMIUM for a whopping $24.99.

 

So all total, if you bought everything in the game:  $69.97.

 

___________________________________________________________________________________________

 

 

 

Now for Tanki.

 

Tanki has a broken game play system, they're constantly trying to make good "Balance" and miserably fail every so often.  Hammer to this day is unbelievable but that's a long story.

 

 

It has lots of UNPOPULATED servers, few players, few matches you care to play, too many buyers, not enough non buyers.

 

It has poor graphics, even Tanki X doesn't have great graphics from what I can see.

 

It has a weird chat setup trying to be run by independent mods that have to maintain Tanki Servers and a life...impossible.

 

It's eSports system is a COMPLETE mess, it's done by StarLadder and no one knows what in the hell is going on over there, it has a clan forum system which sucks, no stats and all in all, it's a poor game.

 

So, you're probably thinking, "It must be free/REALLY cheap to play"...couldn't be more incorrect.

 

To play the game without buying is ridiculous, you'll always be the second tier player, few non-buyers have fun outside of Light Format/XP/BP Format battles simply because they don't have the drugs or the garage to keep up with the handful of buyers in the battle. 

 

My current Garage at my rank is: M3 Fire, M3 Freeze, M3 Isida, M2 Hammer, M3 Twins, M3 Rico, M2 Vulcan, M3 Smoky, M4 Thunder, M3 Railgun, M2 Shaft, M2 Wasp, M3 Hornet, M3 Hunter, M3 Viking, M2 Dictator, M2 Titan, M3 Mammoth.  All SL Paints, Zeus, and a few others....so yeah not a bad garage...BUT how much did this cost??? Around $1,000.00! 

 

I could buy a cheap car, an awesome computer/laptop, beer, food, gas, you name it...

 

So, let's not forget all of the cons I listed above about Tanki, and lets factor the price tags:

 

Battlefield 4:

 

Most you can SPEND is: $69.97

 

Tanki:

 

Unlimited amount of spending, my garage could be better, things could change, and I still wish for more things sometimes...I've spent $1,000.00 as I already mentioned.

 

 

Don't forget, Battlefield has 200,000 developers and game designers and alll the million of roles that are needed to create a giant game.

 

Tanki probably employs...50?

 

Tanki costs wayyy more, granted there are less buyers, but still the pricetag differences are VAST.

 

Don't forget also, Tanki has decreased what you get for your money on the low end of buying, making is pointless to spend less than $39.99...

 

 

 

I could go on forever, if you want to have a long talk, my Skype: italian.maestro

 

 

I hope this has opened some eyes, I know it's long, I wrote it rapidly and with a little frustration, so excuse the type ohs and grammar mistakes. 

 

sonofchrysalis or whatever, you couldn't be more incorrect on the income of Tanki.  IF they are this broke on cash after all of this...they should just shut down entirely.

 

Unbelieveable

 

 

~Maestro

[creeperskelly 1,281]

The author of this article slams sales and discusses how they ruin the economy, but, when he got offered a personal discount he took it right away:

 

 

How dare we buy anything on sale, but, here's someone who gets crystals direct from Tanki and then turns around and buys something on sale!

 

You just can't make this up.

 

Can you spell hypocrisy?

[swtho10 75]

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Edited October 28, 2015 by swtho10

[swtho10 75]

I'm sorry but this is absolutely false.  I've been boiling forever about this game and it's thirst for money. 

 

So here's the whole story.  About 6 months ago...

 

I was a new Gissimo Tanker, I had every piece of equipment that I wanted, I was spending my money, no not mom's.  Then I got bored, and left.

 

I happen to have an extremely powerful PC so I bought the number one FPS PC game....Battlefield 4.

 

If you've never heard of it, google it.  It's made by EA, powerd by Frostbites, and is made possible by the developers, DICE. 

 

The game is on it's 4th generation, taking it 2-3 years to come out with a new one.  It employs nearly 200,000 people to build and make the game, the credits go on forever and ever with names of the developers and helpers and artists and mechanics and everything it takes to build a 100 GB full graphics war simulator.

 

The game, is incredible.  As seen here:

 

It's graphics are beautiful, it's balance is incredible, it's detail is unmatched.  I could go on and on.  It's a beautiful game.

 

NOW, before anyone is running to post an obvious thing like "Some don't like that kind of FPS game." 

 

Well, yes.  Battlefield 4 is for the most part 16+, requires a good PC, gameplay skills, and dedication. 

 

Battlefield 4 has better eSports, better graphics, better everything really.  And, how much does it cost? $19.99.

 

BUT, if you have the NEED to spend money and get ahead, equivelant to the buyers of Tanki, you can buy "Shortcuts", and to buy the biggest package they sell, which includes every gun, knife, and explosive in the game.  $24.99.

 

BUT, if you need more than 24 maps, you can buy PREMIUM for a whopping $24.99.

 

So all total, if you bought everything in the game:  $69.97.

 

___________________________________________________________________________________________

 

 

 

Now for Tanki.

 

Tanki has a broken game play system, they're constantly trying to make good "Balance" and miserably fail every so often.  Hammer to this day is unbelievable but that's a long story.

 

 

It has lots of UNPOPULATED servers, few players, few matches you care to play, too many buyers, not enough non buyers.

 

It has poor graphics, even Tanki X doesn't have great graphics from what I can see.

 

It has a weird chat setup trying to be run by independent mods that have to maintain Tanki Servers and a life...impossible.

 

It's eSports system is a COMPLETE mess, it's done by StarLadder and no one knows what in the hell is going on over there, it has a clan forum system which sucks, no stats and all in all, it's a poor game.

 

So, you're probably thinking, "It must be free/REALLY cheap to play"...couldn't be more incorrect.

 

To play the game without buying is ridiculous, you'll always be the second tier player, few non-buyers have fun outside of Light Format/XP/BP Format battles simply because they don't have the drugs or the garage to keep up with the handful of buyers in the battle. 

 

My current Garage at my rank is: M3 Fire, M3 Freeze, M3 Isida, M2 Hammer, M3 Twins, M3 Rico, M2 Vulcan, M3 Smoky, M4 Thunder, M3 Railgun, M2 Shaft, M2 Wasp, M3 Hornet, M3 Hunter, M3 Viking, M2 Dictator, M2 Titan, M3 Mammoth.  All SL Paints, Zeus, and a few others....so yeah not a bad garage...BUT how much did this cost??? Around $1,000.00! 

 

I could buy a cheap car, an awesome computer/laptop, beer, food, gas, you name it...

 

So, let's not forget all of the cons I listed above about Tanki, and lets factor the price tags:

 

Battlefield 4:

 

Most you can SPEND is: $69.97

 

Tanki:

 

Unlimited amount of spending, my garage could be better, things could change, and I still wish for more things sometimes...I've spent $1,000.00 as I already mentioned.

 

 

Don't forget, Battlefield has 200,000 developers and game designers and alll the million of roles that are needed to create a giant game.

 

Tanki probably employs...50?

 

Tanki costs wayyy more, granted there are less buyers, but still the pricetag differences are VAST.

 

Don't forget also, Tanki has decreased what you get for your money on the low end of buying, making is pointless to spend less than $39.99...

 

 

 

I could go on forever, if you want to have a long talk, my Skype: italian.maestro

 

 

I hope this has opened some eyes, I know it's long, I wrote it rapidly and with a little frustration, so excuse the type ohs and grammar mistakes. 

 

sonofchrysalis or whatever, you couldn't be more incorrect on the income of Tanki.  IF they are this broke on cash after all of this...they should just shut down entirely.

 

Unbelieveable

 

 

~Maestro

tbh tanki doesnt cost more than battlefield u can get everything on the game without using real money people just use real money coz they havnt got the patients to build their crys up legit u cant moan about something u did without being forced to do it was ur choice to spend so much money on a game u can get everything for free 

[Maestro.Italiano 179]

tbh tanki doesnt cost more than battlefield u can get everything on the game without using real money people just use real money coz they havnt got the patients to build their crys up legit u cant moan about something u did without being forced to do it was ur choice to spend so much money on a game u can get everything for free 

I knew there woudl be a few of you, but the fact is, you CAN play without buying, BUT it sucks to do so.

 

And please, dont' lie and say it doesn't.