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  1. 1. What is the best name for the TWG?

    • Tanki Literature Group/League
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    • Tanki's Finest Writing Group/League
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    • TO Writing League
      2
    • Tanki Writer's League
      2
    • Tanki Online Writers
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    • Tanki Online Newspaper (as suggested by the mighty El Hamster!)
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    • Beware the wrath of the Mighty El Hamster
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Skype allows talking with unknown people, which makes parents think it's not for children and they do not allow it. But it is fine if you don't call.

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It seems you people in the TWG got out of control again. So much so, that you've managed to get Hamster responding to you. I read this forum a lot, specially the off-topic section. I've read every single piece published by every writing group thus far, but after a while each of those ended the same way. Each writing group may hold a different acronym, or may perhaps even have a different leadership, but the member names curiously repeat themselves each time. The organization level also seems consistently low. Now, in the spirit of abolishing the spam of articles you people make every few weeks, I thought I'd give you my opinion of what exactly is happening here.

 

Usually the main concern about these kinds of groups is the amount of flood they can create. When people want to express themselves, they usually create a "My Creativity" topic in the appropriate sub-forum. However, you've kept on posting topics in the off-topic discussion. This has been going on for a long time now and through observing I've noticed some interesting facts about your topics. It appears that the people who read and comment positively on the pieces are always the same. A lot of the times, members of TWG would comment on each other's topics. In case you don't understand where I'm going with this, I'll elaborate further.

 

You see, when a person reads an article and truly enjoy it, they have the tendency to reply to specific parts of the article they liked the most. At the very least, they'll mention the parts that they think deserve recognition. Such replies encourage discussion in the topic, which leads to more people paying attention to it. On the other hand, replies that show the person skimmed through the piece and didn't show interest will be only a few words long with a general compliment that isn't backed up by anything ("Nice." "lol"). My advice is that you shouldn't trust everything you read, there are replies that have value and there are replies that don't. Knowing the difference is a crucial step in analyzing your readers' feedback.

 

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You can practice by reading the reply from the Boss himself. He seems to be trying to tell you something, maybe it's some sort of hidden message?

 

Now, about the articles themselves. I won't go into too much detail about what makes a good article since I've done so in this issue already, which I think some of you are aware of. Anyway, I'll start off with your article topics. In the past, a lot of articles were involved in straight out plagiarism. Some forumers quickly exposed this sort of attempt at attention - and rightfully so. Such disregard towards your readers, dishonesty towards the people that play the same game as you and outright arrogance to even think you can get away with doing something like that is shameful! The topics were quickly removed, since it would be a clear disrespect to leave them in the forum. Sadly, this means I can't demonstrate exactly what I'm talking about here, because every time I find the links I need I get this. Still, I felt it would be useful to provide at least a few pictures just to show my point. This stopped for a while, but it seems you've taken up a softer form of the same.

 

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This sort of plagiarism is simply disgraceful. I'd blame only the topic starter, but it's evident that you work as a group and you've mentioned numerous times that you have editors. I guess they had a bad day all those times when this kind of stuff slipped by?

 

You've recently started flooding the off-topic section yet again. A lot of it copied directly from the official Tanki Online Newspaper. You might get inspired or motivated by our content and I support that fully. I even said that the best way to learn how to write for Tanki is to watch what official reporters do. But there's a big difference between inspiration and direct copy-pasting of an idea. Originality is important, there's absolutely no point to you copying from the official newspaper.  How do you possibly expect to become better if you're doing the exact same thing someone else is? At the very best case you can only hope to match the person you're copying. This kind of limit is unacceptable in any profession that requires a particular skill.

 

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Would you look at that! Seems this habit of yours stuck, huh? I thought it was only limited to contest and topic ideas (such as the 3rd or 4th parody of the chicken article so far). Guess I should be flattered you've liked my intro enough to use it.

 

Finally, I'll address the biggest problem in the way you do things. I hope you'll be able to fix it, but so far, it doesn't look promising. Your mindset in the way you publish simply isn't like that of a good reporter. You may say you that like writing, enjoy helping people, but from what I've seen, what you really enjoy to receive most is simply attention. Because if you truly wanted to help, if you truly enjoyed what you do, you would never do the things you do! If you wanted your work to really be a quality piece of writing, you would've put effort in it! At times I stood shocked at how you openly admit to this kind of behavior. I mean, come on, even I took time analyzing your way of doing things more than you yourself did. Do you honestly think it's easy? Do you think most of a persons writing ability comes naturally to them? It comes through experience and hard work.

 

When I first joined the team, my writing was horrible. I had the game knowledge to write guides, but I simply wasn't good enough in presenting my ideas. However, unlike you I realized that I was doing something wrong, so I observed the problem. For hours and sometimes days at a time I'd work on collecting data about what people want to read, what people like to see, how it should be presented and where I should pull their attention towards. I've made countless drafts in my personal messages in order to find the ideal layout for people to follow. I still, to this day, analyze everything, looking for room to improve, not only myself, but my entire team. Documents, spreadsheets and charts with the staff activity and quality of work documented, followed by tables of data showing exactly what readers want. Writing down the number of views per every article and calculating different ratios of likes, replies and overall engagement. Searching for patterns in different article lengths and genres, checking to see what kind of newspaper promotion works best, be it on the forum, in game chats or the main page... This is the effort required to succeed. It's obvious that a lot of this stuff you wouldn't even think of doing for your group, because if you did, you'd see exactly what you have to do.

 

This kind of work isn't easy and you need to stop acting as if it is. Stop talking about how you're trying to learn and improve, stop copying off of other people and start using your brains to actually make something of substantial quality. It may take days, but if you want your goal bad enough you can have it. The problem is, you all want it for the wrong reasons, which is why you won't achieve your goal. In addition, trying desperately like you've done so far is not only disrespectful, but it's borderline breaking the forum rules.Here's a bit of additional irony - this reply is probably more thought out, researched and contains more information than most of your guides.

 

Pull yourselves together and start doing stuff properly. If you think I'm being too harsh with this, it is because all other polite suggestions simply go right through your head. Only thing I can infer from that is that someone needs to be a bit more blunt with you people. Hopefully a bit firmer criticism might actually get you to think about what you're doing. If you think you can't live up to this standard, if the amount of effort it takes is too much, if you're having any sort of doubts while reading this, I say you should just stop it all here and now. It's your decision now on how this is going to continue, make it count.

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I totally agree, I don't want to be an hypocrite. Some of us really sucks. Plagiarism is the only thing that we need to erase. I believe you may kick me out of this writing group, I was only here to be with my friends. As of that Fen, why do you even bother, many of tanki knows the dark history of TWG. And I also believe the only people who copies you guys are Darren and Hero. Oh what if Lhamster said something and you just copy it all because it's plain words and can't be explained more further, shall I call  you fraud? Good job Fen. Good job.

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I'm gonna get you closed NOW, and all other writing groups as well! I totally agree with King Harel here, this group and all other writing groups except the Royal Newspaper must shut down. I am the co leader and have total right to close this group! I'm gonna start a petition against this. 

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I'm gonna get you closed NOW, and all other writing groups as well! I totally agree with King Harel here, this group and all other writing groups except the Royal Newspaper must shut down. I am the co leader and have total right to close this group! I'm gonna start a petition against this.

 

Men , don't forget that you were the one who was caught for copying, and please stop blubbering about how great you are
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Men , don't forget that you were the one who was caught for copying, and please stop blubbering about how great you are

I am not great, I want to destroy these groups who just copy and COPY AND COPY all the time. 

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I am not great, I want to destroy these groups who just copy and COPY AND COPY all the time.

 

The copy you did was terrible. The rest two just copied it as it is, but you copied it and changed the sentences so that others won't recognize it. Ha Ha mate. The first thing you need to close if your habit of cheating
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The copy you did was terrible. The rest two just copied it as it is, but you copied it and changed the sentences so that others won't recognize it. Ha Ha mate. The first thing you need to close if your habit of cheating

Lel, first thing - all I knew was that such a topic existed, I never have read it. I have no intentions of plagarism, and don't you try defending yourselves. However, I never realized my topic intro was so similar to that one. However, I've seen one point - I did completely different things from Fen's article - the only similar thing was the intro, which I never noticed. However, I'll not defend myself further - go on. But I will destroy you, remember that. 

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Lel, first thing - all I knew was that such a topic existed, I never have read it. I have no intentions of plagarism, and don't you try defending yourselves. However, I never realized my topic intro was so similar to that one. However, I've seen one point - I did completely different things from Fen's article - the only similar thing was the intro, which I never noticed. However, I'll not defend myself further - go on. But I will destroy you, remember that.

 

You can't mate
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It seems you people in the TWG got out of control again. So much so, that you've managed to get Hamster responding to you. I read this forum a lot, specially the off-topic section. I've read every single piece published by every writing group thus far, but after a while each of those ended the same way. Each writing group may hold a different acronym, or may perhaps even have a different leadership, but the member names curiously repeat themselves each time. The organization level also seems consistently low. Now, in the spirit of abolishing the spam of articles you people make every few weeks, I thought I'd give you my opinion of what exactly is happening here.

 

Usually the main concern about these kinds of groups is the amount of flood they can create. When people want to express themselves, they usually create a "My Creativity" topic in the appropriate sub-forum. However, you've kept on posting topics in the off-topic discussion. This has been going on for a long time now and through observing I've noticed some interesting facts about your topics. It appears that the people who read and comment positively on the pieces are always the same. A lot of the times, members of TWG would comment on each other's topics. In case you don't understand where I'm going with this, I'll elaborate further.

 

You see, when a person reads an article and truly enjoy it, they have the tendency to reply to specific parts of the article they liked the most. At the very least, they'll mention the parts that they think deserve recognition. Such replies encourage discussion in the topic, which leads to more people paying attention to it. On the other hand, replies that show the person skimmed through the piece and didn't show interest will be only a few words long with a general compliment that isn't backed up by anything ("Nice." "lol"). My advice is that you shouldn't trust everything you read, there are replies that have value and there are replies that don't. Knowing the difference is a crucial step in analyzing your readers' feedback.

 

txVNwh8.png

You can practice by reading the reply from the Boss himself. He seems to be trying to tell you something, maybe it's some sort of hidden message?

 

Now, about the articles themselves. I won't go into too much detail about what makes a good article since I've done so in this issue already, which I think some of you are aware of. Anyway, I'll start off with your article topics. In the past, a lot of articles were involved in straight out plagiarism. Some forumers quickly exposed this sort of attempt at attention - and rightfully so. Such disregard towards your readers, dishonesty towards the people that play the same game as you and outright arrogance to even think you can get away with doing something like that is shameful! The topics were quickly removed, since it would be a clear disrespect to leave them in the forum. Sadly, this means I can't demonstrate exactly what I'm talking about here, because every time I find the links I need I get this. Still, I felt it would be useful to provide at least a few pictures just to show my point. This stopped for a while, but it seems you've taken up a softer form of the same.

 

jLfmy7o.jpg

This sort of plagiarism is simply disgraceful. I'd blame only the topic starter, but it's evident that you work as a group and you've mentioned numerous times that you have editors. I guess they had a bad day all those times when this kind of stuff slipped by?

 

You've recently started flooding the off-topic section yet again. A lot of it copied directly from the official Tanki Online Newspaper. You might get inspired or motivated by our content and I support that fully. I even said that the best way to learn how to write for Tanki is to watch what official reporters do. But there's a big difference between inspiration and direct copy-pasting of an idea. Originality is important, there's absolutely no point to you copying from the official newspaper.  How do you possibly expect to become better if you're doing the exact same thing someone else is? At the very best case you can only hope to match the person you're copying. This kind of limit is unacceptable in any profession that requires a particular skill.

 

rMpbySQ.jpg

Would you look at that! Seems this habit of yours stuck, huh? I thought it was only limited to contest and topic ideas (such as the 3rd or 4th parody of the chicken article so far). Guess I should be flattered you've liked my intro enough to use it.

 

Finally, I'll address the biggest problem in the way you do things. I hope you'll be able to fix it, but so far, it doesn't look promising. Your mindset in the way you publish simply isn't like that of a good reporter. You may say you that like writing, enjoy helping people, but from what I've seen, what you really enjoy to receive most is simply attention. Because if you truly wanted to help, if you truly enjoyed what you do, you would never do the things you do! If you wanted your work to really be a quality piece of writing, you would've put effort in it! At times I stood shocked at how you openly admit to this kind of behavior. I mean, come on, even I took time analyzing your way of doing things more than you yourself did. Do you honestly think it's easy? Do you think most of a persons writing ability comes naturally to them? It comes through experience and hard work.

 

When I first joined the team, my writing was horrible. I had the game knowledge to write guides, but I simply wasn't good enough in presenting my ideas. However, unlike you I realized that I was doing something wrong, so I observed the problem. For hours and sometimes days at a time I'd work on collecting data about what people want to read, what people like to see, how it should be presented and where I should pull their attention towards. I've made countless drafts in my personal messages in order to find the ideal layout for people to follow. I still, to this day, analyze everything, looking for room to improve, not only myself, but my entire team. Documents, spreadsheets and charts with the staff activity and quality of work documented, followed by tables of data showing exactly what readers want. Writing down the number of views per every article and calculating different ratios of likes, replies and overall engagement. Searching for patterns in different article lengths and genres, checking to see what kind of newspaper promotion works best, be it on the forum, in game chats or the main page... This is the effort required to succeed. It's obvious that a lot of this stuff you wouldn't even think of doing for your group, because if you did, you'd see exactly what you have to do.

 

This kind of work isn't easy and you need to stop acting as if it is. Stop talking about how you're trying to learn and improve, stop copying off of other people and start using your brains to actually make something of substantial quality. It may take days, but if you want your goal bad enough you can have it. The problem is, you all want it for the wrong reasons, which is why you won't achieve your goal. In addition, trying desperately like you've done so far is not only disrespectful, but it's borderline breaking the forum rules.Here's a bit of additional irony - this reply is probably more thought out, researched and contains more information than most of your guides.

 

Pull yourselves together and start doing stuff properly. If you think I'm being too harsh with this, it is because all other polite suggestions simply go right through your head. Only thing I can infer from that is that someone needs to be a bit more blunt with you people. Hopefully a bit firmer criticism might actually get you to think about what you're doing. If you think you can't live up to this standard, if the amount of effort it takes is too much, if you're having any sort of doubts while reading this, I say you should just stop it all here and now. It's your decision now on how this is going to continue, make it count.

Well written, respect to you. :)

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i QUIT NOW. GET OUT, YOU HORRIBLE COPYCATS! GET L0OST!

 

I'm gonna get you closed NOW, and all other writing groups as well! I totally agree with King Harel here, this group and all other writing groups except the Royal Newspaper must shut down. I am the co leader and have total right to close this group! I'm gonna start a petition against this. 

It seems clear that your desire to rebel has only formed on the basis of Footsie's comment - indicating that you changed your beliefs purely to save your own back, which I find to be hilarious, given that you're a relatively significant part of the problem. Unfortunately, we can see right through you, and in pulling a stunt, you lose more and more credibility. If you're going to dump plagiarised, stale content all over this forum, stand by your dump.

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