Changes to micro-upgrades

[zoya808 0]

I Dont like this, bad update.

[monstermaniac 2]

I Spose in a way its good but what if your a parkour person... want to upgrade speed but not wieght? ..... plz think about it a little more in futer rather than straight away making it live

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

Well spoken!

 

You forgot to mention one thing. Those who pay-to-play and did spend millions to gain an advantage are left with a kick in the nuts!

 

And please correct me if I'm wrong... aren't those players Tanki's most valued customers?

Again, change happens slowly.  Okay, I liked the pick and choose upgrade path better too, but guess what, they changed things, and for once, people WHO DID pay in crystals, bought or earned, got their due compensation.  Oh, and guess what, buyers DO get the shorter end of the stick on occasion, imagine that, non buyers were thrwon a bone in this one, or better said, the whole damn carcass.  This ROCKS, and if I have to reconsider how I'm going to MU, well, so be it, but at least all my past efforts are not for nothing.  This is the way it's done.

 

Buyers, oh well, the game is the game, they get enough bennys as it is, so they can't complain either.  All the Kits, and drug packages discounted, tada, this is for all players, period.

 

I don't care WHAT ANYBODY SAYS, this was a fair and proper upgrade solution path, period.

[guitarplayerprajwal 0]

no man this update is not at all good man not at all

 

 

i have micro upgreaded my m0 rail to all its parametra but its not let me to get my m1 rail instead of it its showing m2 

this is not fair man 

[DrazaMihajlovic 11]

TANKI if you hear all this, remove the upgrade or the many players will leave the game forever...... !!

[a7x_Pedro48 13,999]

This is actually awesome. I had Rico full mu damage, Hammer full damage, Dictator full speed and armor, Titan full armor. So now, these 4 are full m4, that's very nice.

[Rohrmeister 1,535]

TANKI if you hear all this, remove the upgrade or the many players will leave the game forever...... !!

I've already started the download of the "alternative product on the tank online games market". The last updates really drove me off.

 

I will still play, but I will not pay any more.

Not a single cent those guys here will get from me any more.

Edited November 12, 2015 by Rohrmeister

[suhas_best 334]

http://en.tankiforum...=7#entry5138309

 

Please go through with a calm mind and understand my point everyone   :) and like if your ideologies match :)

[DiSoRderLY 141]

Thankyou for your compliments!

 

I'll quote and edit my post. Thanks for advice.

From a general business point of view, they are not. But for some reason, from Tanki's point of view, yes they are!

 

I have to disagree with the last part. One of the first lessons in marketing is, that returning costumers are more valuable than potential customers!

 

Why!? Because once they're gone, they most probably won't return. While on the other hand potential customers don't generate any income.

[shafter1136 1]

I must admit I'm excited to try this out. Granted, it makes you pay for upgrades you don't want, but on the flip side, every time you upgrade your whole turret/hull gets slightly better. So I think it's a good revision.

 

But all those I don't want to pay for I'll have to now... Like Penetration on Shaft... Who even bothers? What a waste of crystals.

 

I do enjoy the disadvantages this gives pay-to-wins though.

[VirtualWildHogs 66]

I have to disagree with the last part. One of the first lessons in marketing is, that returning costumers are more valuable than potential customers!

 

Why!? Because once they're gone, they most probably won't return. While on the other hand potential customers don't generate any income.

Rightly said!

P.S. I'm not a marketing analyst anyways!  :P

[LiquidGold 1,370]

thanks I made out like a bandit :)

 

[deadmanrising 715]

1st thing , u are a buyer , i see u have Premium Acc . 

2nd , after all this time when buyers got extra "bonus" is our turn to get something .

 

I think is fair enought this upd :)

That's ignorant coming from you, what do you think defines a buyer? Premium costs 10$ a month 90$ a year if you wanted it for that long, having premium doesn't make you a buyer, i could only choose to have it for 3 months, compared to someone who spends hundreds of dollars, or pounds on the game, i would call them buyers, a buyer doesn't necessarily have to play every single day, unless you are addicted of course, premium is better suited for players who are actually good, where as crystals are those who can't play a lot or those who don't want to play to earn crystals for better equipment, the term buyer is quite offensive really

[DiSoRderLY 141]

Again, change happens slowly.  Okay, I liked the pick and choose upgrade path better too, but guess what, they changed things, and for once, people WHO DID pay in crystals, bought or earned, got their due compensation. 

Tankers that buy with earned crystals are NOT customers, they're window shoppers. No customers equals no Tanki!

 

Okay you need those non paying tankers as well, but to a far lesser extend.

Edited November 12, 2015 by DiSoRderLY

[Benefactor 6,888]

That's ignorant coming from you, what do you think defines a buyer? Premium costs 10$ a month 90$ a year if you wanted it for that long, having premium doesn't make you a buyer, i could only choose to have it for 3 months, compared to someone who spends hundreds of dollars, or pounds on the game, i would call them buyers, a buyer doesn't necessarily have to play every single day, unless you are addicted of course, premium is better suited for players who are actually good, where as crystals are those who can't play a lot or those who don't want to play to earn crystals for better equipment, the term buyer is quite offensive really

The term "buyer" is not really offensive - it is just another term for  'power-user'.

As stated many times before, not everyone has the luxury to spend all day on this game like many do here. There lack of free time is most likely compensated in monetary terms. So who is to say how these 'buyers' should spend their money? It's almost the same as calling the players who spend all day on the game 'freeloaders'  - no worries in life as they are being waited on hand and foot while they do nothing else but play Tanki all day and night. Is this a reasonable judgement of someone who spends all day playing Tanki? Absolutely not. Very rarely do you know the personal circumstances behind any random tank. 

 

Before any of  you cry some more, just think about if what you are crying about really worth it.

 

Life is too short for petty squabbles. Be thankful for what you already have.

[J.G.S.D.F 73]

This morning I woke up in a new world. When I took my car to the gas stations to fill the tank with $20 of gas, I was told that I have also to change the oil and coolent and all 4 tires and I had to pay $1000 and wait for 3 hours. If I don't like it, I can leave my car with an empty tank.

[deadmanrising 715]

This morning I woke up in a new world. When I took my car to the gas stations to fill the tank with $20 of gas, I was told that I have also to change the oil and coolent and all 4 tires and I had to pay $1000 and wait for 3 hours. If I don't like it, I can leave my car with an empty tank.

Agreed, this change is only good for those who previously micro upgraded, its not good for those who want to do new upgrades and it forces you to have more crystals, there should be a choice on whether you want to upgrade all parameters at once or not

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

Tankers that buy with earned crystals are NOT customers, they're window shoppers. No customers equals no Tanki!

 

Okay you need those non paying tankers as well, but to a far lesser extend.

So, first things first.

 

I snap shottedthat post so if it is deleted EVERYONE can still see it if I decide to post it up again.

 

All tankers out there, this is you're BUYER with a chip on their shoulder.  Tank i IS NOT pay to play.  I HAVE been railing on non buyers abouttheir whining, but you sir are the diametrically opposite ill of Tanki online, the high and mighty

 

"I spent 40 dollars on Tanki, so I should rule the roost and play with indemnity to how others percieve game play and their experience, all that matters is me!"

 

If you spent much more than that, whatever, I can tell you now that I can't post up what I think of people that spend 100+ dollars on games, so suffice to say I'll let it rest.

 

Now that your "gender interior organs" are aching and hurting, you TOO can feel the ire of people who play within the bounds of the game paradigms and have gotten burned before but have spent little or no money.  You are not the only person with few extra dollars to spend on the game, and people who usually don't, might be inclined to spend some if they see parity now, based upon playability ultimately, rather than greed, as so many have cast the management and devs intentions to be.  They are searching for a way to live AND make the GAME better.  The game is ultimately what matters.  All you buyers think you belong to some elite cult because you opened your wallet.  The game is one thing, it's maintenance and earnings is another.  Both have to exist to sustain itself, NOT JUST your money.

 

So, if you have spent inordinates amounts of REAL WORLD cash to upgrade your virtual in game combat platform, well, you know what I think of that, I just mentioned it above, but guess what, sorry Holmes, GAME BALANCE, just like when they threw a laser on my Shaft because little buyers like you didn't like getting owned by full charged scoped shots even when you were drugged, which all goes back to those tender body parts I referred to.

 

Window shoppers just look, they don't wear, and last I checked, I buy, wear, and use my equipment too, I just do it slower and within the realms of my abilities.  Want a pay to play service, go play LoL or WoW, this is Tanki, grow some and be quiet, the one time something DOESN'T benefit you you have to turn into nasty child and call other players window shoppers.  Skills, try try working on those, and maybe you can earn more crystals instead of buying them.

 

So like in the past, when buyers used to scoff at non buyers and their complaints, today the shoe is on the other foot, and we say to you now "poor baby".

 

(note to mods, I have been exceptionally careful with my vernacular here, so no pointing fingers at me, saying I've been inappropriate, I chose carefully and wisely)

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

That's ignorant coming from you, what do you think defines a buyer? Premium costs 10$ a month 90$ a year if you wanted it for that long, having premium doesn't make you a buyer, i could only choose to have it for 3 months, compared to someone who spends hundreds of dollars, or pounds on the game, i would call them buyers, a buyer doesn't necessarily have to play every single day, unless you are addicted of course, premium is better suited for players who are actually good, where as crystals are those who can't play a lot or those who don't want to play to earn crystals for better equipment, the term buyer is quite offensive really

What I highlighted above, I have been trying to say but not found the words for some time.  Bless you.  This is what Tanki SHOULD BE.  The skills, the ability to play, the thinking, the planning, the learning your platform, these things are all what is important.  Some "one up manship" game where BUYING A NEW HULL and DRUGGING it out is a game that is of no value, interest or fun or playability to anyone with half a brain that enjoys the nuances of fighting games.

[rokar123 11]

Great update!  :)

[Jwimmer 2,835]

 

Just tweak your play style, or dont micro upgrade. In no what whatsover does a minute change to rotation speed completely destroy your playing "stile" (its actually spelled style)

[AUGU66 95]

 

Totally agree. I have a similar situation. I am an Isida user and like to heal teammates; I am more concern the healing and the range of the turret. I may want to MU more on the healing and range but leave the other parameters low in order to save crystals for something else, e.g. MU the hull, buy a paint etc. Now, if I want to MU the healing and range, I have to MU all other parameters and use up lots, may be even all, of my crystals. My plan and my game is totally ruined.

[Jwimmer 2,835]

So, first things first.

 

I snap shottedthat post so if it is deleted EVERYONE can still see it if I decide to post it up again.

 

All tankers out there, this is you're BUYER with a chip on their shoulder.  Tank i IS NOT pay to play.  I HAVE been railing on non buyers abouttheir whining, but you sir are the diametrically opposite ill of Tanki online, the high and mighty

 

"I spent 40 dollars on Tanki, so I should rule the roost and play with indemnity to how others percieve game play and their experience, all that matters is me!"

 

If you spent much more than that, whatever, I can tell you now that I can't post up what I think of people that spend 100+ dollars on games, so suffice to say I'll let it rest.

 

Now that your "gender interior organs" are aching and hurting, you TOO can feel the ire of people who play within the bounds of the game paradigms and have gotten burned before but have spent little or no money.  You are not the only person with few extra dollars to spend on the game, and people who usually don't, might be inclined to spend some if they see parity now, based upon playability ultimately, rather than greed, as so many have cast the management and devs intentions to be.  They are searching for a way to live AND make the GAME better.  The game is ultimately what matters.  All you buyers think you belong to some elite cult because you opened your wallet.  The game is one thing, it's maintenance and earnings is another.  Both have to exist to sustain itself, NOT JUST your money.

 

So, if you have spent inordinates amounts of REAL WORLD cash to upgrade your virtual in game combat platform, well, you know what I think of that, I just mentioned it above, but guess what, sorry Holmes, GAME BALANCE, just like when they threw a laser on my Shaft because little buyers like you didn't like getting owned by full charged scoped shots even when you were drugged, which all goes back to those tender body parts I referred to.

 

Window shoppers just look, they don't wear, and last I checked, I buy, wear, and use my equipment too, I just do it slower and within the realms of my abilities.  Want a pay to play service, go play LoL or WoW, this is Tanki, grow some and be quiet, the one time something DOESN'T benefit you you have to turn into nasty child and call other players window shoppers.  Skills, try try working on those, and maybe you can earn more crystals instead of buying them.

 

So like in the past, when buyers used to scoff at non buyers and their complaints, today the shoe is on the other foot, and we say to you now "poor baby".

 

(note to mods, I have been exceptionally careful with my vernacular here, so no pointing fingers at me, saying I've been inappropriate, I chose carefully and wisely)

Very good reply. Thank for putting mine and others thoughts into words, hopefully buyers will get off of their high horses and see that they dont rule the game. 

[r_roachsurvivor0 2]

With respect to everyone on the tanki team, I am not sold on this change, because I don't think I understand the motivation behind it.

As a player, I see two drawbacks.  

 

Firstly, the possiblility to customize your tank is decreased.  So, logically there are now less tactical possiblilites in the game. There is less variety in terms of tanks and "specialization"of tanks.  It cuts off various possibilities.

 

Secondly, the distribution of advantages seems really uneven.  Some players will benefit massively from this change and others will lose out massively.   If you had upgraded one parameter to the maximum, you benefit.  If not, you lose out.  Either way, the change might be quite random and not a result of careful planning, strategy or skill.

 

Now, maybe there are effects on the game as a whole that are good.   For example, If it takes less time for the system to crunch the numbers; that is, if the data takes less time to process, then this could make all game play smoother.  Another possibility is that it will encourage new players to spend more money because the upgrade system is easier to understand, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

 

However, from the point of view of an old player, I hope that this change won't carry over to Tanki X, because I think it is fun to make a really original tank.  

Edited November 12, 2015 by r_roachsurvivor0

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

While I want to upgrade to maximum ALMOST all parameters of my turret, I do NOT ( Imean NOT, NOT) want to upgrade the rotacional speed of the turret AT ALL. That goes in line with the way I play, always turning my turret while moving my hull forward. This also give rthe time to rotate accordingle while charging.

 

Are you telling me, that now all parameters will go up together effectively DESTROYING my playing stile, make an already impossible aim, to be de-simproved in the worst possible way, by goes beyond the aim point at the time of fire?

 

Is there anyone in TO using the S H I T they have im place of the brain, to think a little bit? Beyond the fact they think with S H I T Y neurons and dump S H I T things?

To your point, the TECHNICAL issues with this upgrade, not the economics, I must agree wholeheartedly this does mess with the game play paradigms.

 

I have the same issue with the turret rotation, accustomed to a particular speed according to my game play, and some others have complained about the power to weight ratio issue now being a moot point as their changes move in parallel, effectively removing that differences that could define their hull uniquely to a certain game play style.

 

I had a great deal of trouble playing last night as my equipment behaved rather oddly till I realized the full impact of the changes.  That said, I loved one shotting baddies in my Shaft that before were too armored for that, but shooting alone is not the endgame to being successful in Tanki, and as you said, gameplay style is now reduced as you cannot customize to your method of play.

 

All this said, at the VERY LEAST, it DOES provide parity, even if not desired, this doesn't take or give to anyone, buyer, non buyer, particular turret or hull, we all at least have to deal wit hthe same things, so it might not be the smartest upgrade ever released, but it is on many levels perhaps the fairest released.

 

(I'm on your side though, I like the discrete control of upgrades)

Edited November 12, 2015 by FogOfWar_XXX