Changes to micro-upgrades

[swede1 1,726]

Wtf is Roman Kungurtsev? :huh:

Exactly!

 

He is the so called Marketing specialist at Tankionline.

He's the guy responsible for 2014 worst Christmas in tanki ever, and the guy with all the ideas for the upcoming Christmas celebration.

Edited November 12, 2015 by swede1

[r_K0Z0 166]

[Canadian-Bacon 0]

This WOULD HAVE been nice if I didn't have lopsided mini-upgrades.

I was mini-upgrading the most important things first, not trying to do everything equally.

Now your ''improvement'' screwed me up...

Me2. I am doing the same thing and am screwed up !

[RustyNail 1,538]

Exactly!

 

He is the so called Marketing specialist at Tankionline.

Oh, the Noob Online.. I see....

[lrjcarr 26]

I have a question regarding this new update.

 

Ok so how the fork does the new micro upgrading work.... I have shaft m1 at 45/50 at 50/50 this would normally give a discount on m2 but my rank is enough to buy m3 now, so what happens to the discount for micro upgrading, do i get m3 free, do i get it discounted or does the price not change? 

 

Just trying to get my head around this entire confusing new change to the MU's as I'm not gonna waste crystals upgrading if it gives me no discounts.

Edited November 12, 2015 by lrjcarr

[Flexoo 6,980]

Don´t you think you benefited some players way too much Tanki? We are not talking about 1 000 or 10 000 crystals here. Some saved 200, 300 or 400k+ crystals. is this fair towards the player base? Is it fair that some get e.g. M4 tank for like 30k crystals, while others will have to intensively play for 2, 3 or 4 months to get such monstrous amount of crystals to ever get their M3 tanks to another level. 

[Supernatural 2,053]

Before stating this update as a good update, I think players/forumers should look at all the aspects of update.

 

Short term effects: This update is great! As many players have m4's even when they only upgraded 1 parameter (eg: Spending 50,000 crystals to get benefit of ~1,000,000 crystals). Since players are getting advantage, only a handful of them will complain ('Greed factor' at behavioral level).

 

Long term effects: Here comes the twist: earlier with just a few thousands of crystals (eg: 47,411 for m4 impact force of Vulcan), you could have maxed 1 parameter (eg: Impact Force). But now You need more like 1 million crystals (eg: 948,000 in case of Vulcan) for maxing 1 parameter for those who have not even started micro upgrading things (like me). And as the Tanki history says, we all know that these updates rarely get rollback...

 

Summary: It is the behavioral nature of human beings which Tanki has chosen to exploit, greed factor. Having said that, Good Luck on your future micro-upgrades, unless you have everything micro-upgraded to m4 and/or you have 1 billion crystals ofcourse!

 

Trigger the greed factor, make the update successful, #JustTankiThings.

 

Anyways, Feel free to dislike/troll/ban whatever you feel necessary to do with my post, if you are so much obsessed with greed factor.

 

Thanks.

-WildHogs

 

 

 

EDIT 1:

Addition suggested by @DiSoRderLY,

Cant be better said. This update perfectly ruined the point of MUs for those who weren't doing them before this hell was released.

[Supernatural 2,053]

I have a question regarding this new update.

 

Ok so how the fork does the new micro upgrading work.... I have shaft m1 at 45/50 at 50/50 this would normally give a discount on m2 but my rank is enough to buy m3 now, so what happens to the discount for micro upgrading, do i get m3 free, do i get it discounted or does the price not change? 

 

Just trying to get my head around this entire confusing new change to the MU's as I'm not gonna waste crystals upgrading if it gives me no discounts.

You wll get the next for free if you fully (50/50) MU it.

[Supernatural 2,053]

Tanki has a point lol

http://prntscr.com/922yx2

[Supernatural 2,053]

I was thinking that it is a good time to showcase this (I might not be 100% correct there, however the general message should be self-explanatory). This is the hierarchy that we have starting from the owner of to company that made this game down to players who rarely or never purchase anything in the game at all.

Buyers are the 3rd.

[Supernatural 2,053]

This update is loved by those who got a free m4 now but soon they will realize how bad it is when they start MUing their other stuff.

[swede1 1,726]

For god sake Tanki, you have severe tunnel vision.

Creating updates in order to boost your premium subsciption sales at the expense of free to play players is a recipe for disaster.

You do nothing to fix the issues with supplies, promotion of clans, saboteurs and mults, unified cost for players of all nationalities, or user experience of game.

 

Ps: without free players in the game, there will be no buyers.

Mmos need massive amounts of players to make them good to play and the experience needs to be good for everyone.

It's back to console games for me, at least I own what I am paying for

Edited November 12, 2015 by swede1

[Veni-Vidi-Vici 895]

Great update Tanki

[Benefactor 6,888]

5. Or have the game go down the drain (because at this point it's practically inevitable) and have the game rebooted. Made so that it starts off with a kick-starter that asks for donations, so you pay the developers to actually support them and the game they're working on and not so that you can get an advantage over other players. That way the developers won't get greedy and players won't be spending a lot of money for the sake of having better equipment. Therefore, having no purchase methods for crystals and so each earns in battles enough crystals to purchase things without the need of a crystal boost. How did this option not occur to you?

I think it will be called TankiX

[AboveGod 27]

yeeeaaaaaaa i have railgun M4. before update i only had 10/10 reload and  16/24 on damage and on box damage some times but now i have M4 thank you! good update after a long long time.

So do lots of your opponents. Plenty of them now find themselves with maxed out armour too. Powerful rail against strong armor, is no different to weak rail against weak armor. The advantages you gain are nullified by the advantages other people gain. And some of those people got their 'free upgrades' at a very different price to you. So now we have massive and arbitrary variation in effective value of the crystals people have already spent.

 

The people who have benefitted are not the people who now have a fully or heavily upgraded item, or even a new m level.  The people who have beneffited, are those who spent their cystals in a certain way. Tanki has introduced a massive, and arbitrary reward to a certain attitude towards spending crystals. Everybody else has has lost out in some sense. Even if you are too distracted by your shiney new m4 to really notice.

 

 

But in truth, even the people who benefiited the most from this update have lost out. 100% of players can no longer customize their tanks to any remotely interesting degree. We will no longer see diametrically opposed chioces of upgrade paths meet on the battlefield. Upgrade strategy is no longer a part of the game. This game suddenly became a lot less strategic, and a lot less interesting.

Edited November 12, 2015 by AboveGod

[Captain_Canuck 49]

5. Or have the game go down the drain (because at this point it's practically inevitable) and have the game rebooted. Made so that it starts off with a kick-starter that asks for donations, so you pay the developers to actually support them and the game they're working on and not so that you can get an advantage over other players. That way the developers won't get greedy and players won't be spending a lot of money for the sake of having better equipment. Therefore, having no purchase methods for crystals and so each earns in battles enough crystals to purchase things without the need of a crystal boost. How did this option not occur to you?

If you know anything about gaming, that  is essentially option 1 but barely better cuz those games rarely improve and if so, barely.

 

 

Captain_Canuck, on 12 Nov 2015 - 12:19, said:

Tanki's options (from their perspective) for us users:

 

1. Either have a crappy completely free game and no updates ever.

2. Or pay a lot of money in advance for the game and upgrades done for free but updates still cost some money.

3. Or pay a modest amount of money in advance for the game with a little money costs for updates and upgrades.

4. Or have the current system of being allowed to play the game for free but a modest amount for upgrades and free updates.

[ZRichard123 28]

so, for example, if i have mammoht m0, and i microupgrade it, will cost 3200 crystals all the steps or more expensive? plz tell me

[Captain_Canuck 49]

For god sake Tanki, you have severe tunnel vision.

Creating updates in order to boost your premium subsciption sales at the expense of free to play players is a recipe for disaster.

You do nothing to fix the issues with supplies, promotion of clans, saboteurs and mults, unified cost for players of all nationalities, or user experience of game

1. No problem with supplies, except that they're essentially necessary to deal with saboteurs/mults and hackers since most of those cheaters cannot afford to buy supplies and almost all cheaters only play for free (not meaning that most who play for free cheat).

2. I don't know much about promoting clans since I am not in one, but you may have a point.

3. Sabateurs/mults and hackers are what should be first dealt with next since they ruin the game the most...

4. Only once #3 above is properly dealt with for at least 6 months, should supplies have their costs drastically increased.

5. All nationalities now (recently) have their costs unified, except if you pay in the Russian rubles, unfortunately, but that makes sense.

,,,though your first two sentences I completely agree with!

Edited November 12, 2015 by Captain_Canuck

[Captain_Canuck 49]

I had my theory on constant buyers lobbying the developers of companies to form games in a way that gives them an advantage, however I cannot confirm this, there's no evidence, so I went with what is essentially true from what we know about the company and the game so far.

I, as a sporadic buyer, did request that they drastically reduce (preferred eliminate) instead Premium subscription which happens when we buy a certain amount of crystals. I was wanting them to keep that as a separate option only, not both.

Thankfully they mostly accepted my request by reducing it from a few months to only a week for Premium subscription.

You can thank me later for indirectly helping you out, both in paying and in not making Premium instant long-term for buyers....

[r_Zotir0 0]

One of the things I, and likely many others, love about tanki was how I could customize my "ride" I.e tank.

 

Unfortunately this change greatly reduces this, especially for lighter tanks including hunter.

 

Besides that, my son is very upset that his m2 wasp feels much worse than it did a day ago.

 

Can you please add a customize mu option?

This has nothing to do with purchasing mus.

It is the ability to optionally select how many mus to apply for each parameter (up to how many are purchased)

[T.O.R_Klau 67]

WHY couldn't tank implement this as an optional feature? 

a ) if you want to upgrade all paramaters at the same time then click on this button and spend X crystals

b ) if you want to upgrade the old way, just one specific MU then click on the button next to it

 

And not convert everything only if you want to, and not give full M4 to someone who only maxed one M3 parameter...

Edited November 12, 2015 by T.O.R_Klau

[Benefactor 6,888]

Maybe this "wholesale" MU should be for Premium users and the regular separated parameter MU should be for everyone else. It might be more balanced that way. The Premium users would have the crystals to afford an across-the-board MU. The non-Premiums should have the "one-parameter-at-a-time" MU 'handicap'.

[applications 993]

Ha I almost fully mued my rail guns impact forse :P now I get it all

[FogOfWar_XXX 793]

Well, after some wrestling with Google Translate, I offer you an example of M4 Shaft MU -
 
Note:  The Last MU apparently, 50 that is, is a loving, joyous, and warm call for celebration from the nice people at Tanki as it appears to be cost free, so fly little bird, fly.

 

Step              Dam              Dam                                  Imp               Rchrg           Rot                Pen             Upgrade        Time               Speed

Lvl                 Scp              Arcade                             Force           Rate              Speed          Power         Cost                                     Cost

 

00                  221.8           52.1-60.1                          259               3.32              088.5              47.1              10                5                   2

01                  222.9           52.4-60.5                          260               3.32              088.9              47.3              660              330               99

02                  224.1           52.6-60.8                          262               3.31              089.3              47.6              1320            660               198

03                  225.3           52.9-61.1                          263               3.30              089.7              47.8              1970            985               296

04                  226.4           53.2-61.4                          265               3.30              090.1              48.1              2630            1315            395

05                  227.6           53.5-61.7                          266               3.29              090.5              48.4              3280            1640            492

06                  228.8           53.8-62.0                          267               3.28              090.9              48.6              3940            1970            591

07                  229.9           54.0-62.4                          269               3.28              091.3              48.9              4590            2295            689

08                  231.1           54.3-62.7                          270               3.27              091.7              49.1              5250            2625            788

09                  232.2           54.6-63.0                          272               3.27              092.1              49.4              5900            2950            885

10                  233.4           54.9-63.3                          273               3.26              092.5              49.6              6550            3275            983

11                  234.6           55.1-63.6                          274               3.25              093.0              49.9              7210            3605            1082

12                  235.7           55.4-64.0                          276               3.25              093.4              50.2              7860            3930            1179

13                  236.9           55.7-64.3                          277               3.24              093.8              50.4              8520            4260            1278

14                  238.1           56.0-64.6                          279               3.23              094.2              50.7              9170            4585            1376

15                  239.2           56.3-64.9                          280               3.23              094.6              50.9              9830            4915            1475

16                  240.4           56.5-65.2                          282               3.22              095.0              51.2              10480         5240            1572

17                  241.6           56.8-65.5                          283               3.21              095.4              51.5              11140         5570            1671

18                  242.7           57.1-65.9                          284               3.21              095.8              51.7              11790         5895            1769

19                  243.9           57.4-66.2                          286               3.20              096.2              52.0              12450         6225            1868

20                  245.1           57.7-66.5                          287               3.19              096.6              52.2              13100         6550            1965

21                  246.2           57.9-66.8                          289               3.19              097.0              52.5              13750         6875            2063

22                  247.4           58.2-67.1                          290               3.18              097.4              52.8              14410         7205            2162

23                  248.6           58.5-67.4                          292               3.17              097.9              53.0              15060         7530            2259

24                  249.7           58.8-67.8                          293               3.17              098.3              53.3              15720         7860            2358

25                  250.9           59.0-68.1                          294               3.16              098.7              53.5              16370         8185            2456

26                  252.0           59.3-68.4                          296               3.16              099.1              53.8              17030         8515            2555

27                  253.2           59.6-68.7                          297               3.15              099.5              54.0              17680         8840            2652

28                  254.4           59.9-69.0                          299               3.14              099.9              54.3              18340         9170            2751

29                  255.5           60.2-69.3                          300               3.14              100.3              54.6              18990         9495            2849

30                  256.7           60.4-69.7                          302               3.13              100.7              54.8              19640         9820            2946

31                  257.9           60.7-70.0                          303               3.12              101.1              55.1              20300         10150         3045

32                  259.0           61.0-70.3                          304               3.12              101.5              55.3              20950         10475         3143

33                  260.2           61.3-70.6                          306               3.11              101.9              55.6              21610         10805         3242

34                  261.4           61.5-70.9                          307               3.10              102.3              55.9              22260         11130         3339

35                  262.5           61.8-71.2                          309               3.10              102.7              56.1              22920         11460         3438

36                  263.7           62.1-71.6                          310               3.09              103.2              56.4              23570         11785         3536

37                  264.9           62.4-71.9                          311               3.08              103.6              56.6              24230         12115         3635

38                  266.0           62.7-72.2                          313               3.08              104.0              56.9              24880         12440         3732

39                  267.2           62.9-72.5                          314               3.07              104.4              57.2              25540         12770         3831

40                  268.4           63.2-72.8                          316               3.06              104.8              57.4              26190         13095         3929

41                  269.5           63.5-73.1                          317               3.06              105.2              57.7              26840         13420         4026

42                  270.7           63.8-73.5                          319               3.05              105.6              57.9              27500         13750         4125

43                  271.8           64.1-73.8                          320               3.05              106.0              58.2              28150         14075         4223

44                  273.0           64.3-74.1                          321               3.04              106.4              58.4              28810         14405         4322

45                  274.2           64.6-74.4                          323               3.03              106.8              58.7              29460         14730         4419

46                  275.3           64.9-74.7                          324               3.03              107.2              59.0              30120         15060         4518

47                  276.5           65.2-75.0                          326               3.02              107.6              59.2              30770         15385         4616

48                  277.7           65.4-75.4                          327               3.01              108.0              59.5              31430         15715         4715

49                  278.8           65.7-75.7                          329               3.01              108.5              59.7              32080         16040         4812

50                  280.0           66.0-76.0                          330               3.00              108.9              60.0              -                  -                 -

Total:             +58.2           +(13.9-15.9)                      +71               -0.32              +20.4              +12.9            802250       401125       120350

 

Now, Using the OLD M3 upgrade chart, max stats (ignoring time in all this, just cost)

 

-                   Dam              Dam                                  Imp                Rchrg            Rot                 Pen               TOTAL      

                     Scp              Arcade                             Force            Rate              Speed             Power          Cost          

                    280 839        80 241                              80 241          160 480         120 360          80 241          722161

 

So okay, players get the Shaft in terms of Crystal . . . (Har har har, I know), by the tune of 80,089 crystals.
 
Yeah, this is going to be a huge hang up for non buyers I suppose, and 80G for buyers is still probably hefty.

[Captain_Canuck 49]

Wrong. Do some research on a game called Don't Starve. Go on youtube and search Klei Entertainment and check through the many update trailers of the game. Compare the initial version of the game with the version that exists today and the DLCs and the multiplayer version that the game has. The developers of that game at one point said they won't be doing a multiplayer version of the game, however, after the full release of their first DLC of Don't Starve single player version, they announced multiplayer to be coming out, but not because it would give them a lot of cash, no, but because there was a high demand for a multiplayer version. They even gave out over 80 000 multiplayer version copies FOR FREE to those who signed up to the beta (because of how many peoeple signed up, the beta sign-up was closed after just 2 days!). Even after that, they handed out to 10 people free access to the multiplayer version during their streams. I myself don't trust companies in general, however Klei Entertainment in comparison with Alternative Platform are much more generous, much more involved with their work and a lot less greedy. Kickstarters don't simply die off. If people like it, they'll want it and if they want it, then if they can, they will support it. In this case, people want TO, however they want more free choice, a lot less of or not having at all the Pay-to-Win system and a lot less frustration during gameplay and purchasing of stuff in garage (lower costs, more battle fund etc.)

So you proved my point.

They could not do it for free with multiple players for EVERY player

They gave out free copies for BETA testers and only SOME free copies for several who aren't BETA testers, which means EVERYONE ELSE WILL HAVE TO PAY.

 

My point was based on at least almost all the computer games out there in North America...