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[Genuine_Noob 34]

so which alterations do you folks consider broken ??

 

personally i think that duplet shock freeze and compact fuel are the most broken

[Tani_S 736]

Incendiary band is the most annoying for me as well, but Shock Freeze is also a candidate.

[Musa 5,352]

Autocannon (Smoky)

Incendiary band (Vulcan)

Shock freeze 

Duplet (Hammer)

[fordmustang12345 3,910]

Duplet, really nice to have your entire team be getting spawn killed cause of some arse with the M3 Hammer Vik kit and this alt

[Guest]

I think that the Incendiary Band is very annoying because of it you could be burned to crisp when you're minding your own business from the other side of the map. The smoky rapid-fire one is also very annoying too.

 

Duplet (AKA Double-Pump) is not annoying, it's just flat out OP. 

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

Anything that involves fire.

[wolverine848 13,097]

so which alterations do you folks consider broken ??

 

personally i think that duplet shock freeze and compact fuel are the most broken

Magnum - Mortar.  It;s actually more beneficial to miss - there's no real downside.  And places mines in no-supply battles.

[Hate 5,582]

 

Topic merged.

[Genuine_Noob 34]

Magnum - Mortar.  It;s actually more beneficial to miss - there's no real downside.  And places mines in no-supply battles.

when the opposition party has to many mortars the game becomes unplayable, but thankfully that rarely happens.

magnum same as striker have a hard learning curve, unlike some op turrets.

[caiosilvac 567]

OP alts:

 

Stable Plasma

Mortar

Incendiary Band

Incendiary Mix

Uranium

Compact Fuel Tanks

Round Destabilization

Scout

Autocannon

Duplet

Shock Freeze

Sledgehammer Rounds

[Europe 5]

Yesterday I bought "Incendiary Mix" alternation for my Firebird. In the wiki it is shown that the alternation increases damage by 50% (picture is provided as a proof: https://prnt.sc/m0k5vl). My firebird m4 does 175 damage by default (which is visible when firing at enemy, here is the screenshot: https://prnt.sc/m0k78v), so with the alternation it should be 175 + 175*0.5 = 262. However, when I used it, the damage was ridiculously low (it was just 192, here is the screenshot: https://prnt.sc/m0k7qu). After some calculation, I found that the alternation increases damage only 10% instead of 50%. This is the worst fraud I have ever come across in Tanki Online. There could be 2 causes for this issue, I have suggested my solution and demand for each possible causes.

 

1. The alternation was really intended to increase damage by 50% (which is more logical because the alt really sucks if damage increases only 10%), but there could be some mistake made by programmers. In this case I am reporting the problem and wish you will change parameters as soon as possible.

 

2. The alternation was intended to increase damage by 10%. In this case the wiki page about alternations is scam, which is only way to learn about alternations (there is no specification about alternations in garage and we cannot rent alternations for a day anymore). Please correct the alternations section on wiki. Also, I don't realy need this alternation if it increases damage by 10%, because it is really awfull. Let's just compare Freeze M4 + "Corressive Mix" alternation with Firebird M4 + "Incendiary Mix", both have disadvantages that they lose either freezeing or burning effect, however freeze can does 247 damage (screenshot: https://prnt.sc/m0kdu4), while Firebird does only 192, this is ridiculous and unfair!. I demand crystals I spent for it (the cost is 160k, but I bought on discount with 80k), because I was deceived that it will increase 50%, with 10% it is useless.

 

I am looking forward to hearing from you.

Edited December 28, 2018 by Viking4s
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[Musa 5,352]

Damn I bought it too after reading wiki and then noticed that damage isn't really increased.

 

It's probably wiki editors' fault, very poor job there.

[caiosilvac 567]

it may have been secretly nerfed, it was super OP when it came out.

[Wes.Is.Just.A.Digger 1,712]

          To be honest I never understand why people buy everything that is available to sell on the market (specially on sales, those times I never really buy). 

[terrierist1967 34]

Agreed. I bought the Freeze corrosive mix and it deals little or no extra damage..

[Benefactor 6,888]

Ummm... The only 50% increase I see for Firebird alts is the energy consumption. In the same alteration it says the heating temperature is raised by 100% and the heating rate is raised by 200%. I don't know if that has anything to do with increased damage, but all I know is once you stop firing, the damage increases for the afterburn effect.

[Viking4s 10,791]

 

Merged

[Maf 32,300]

 

Looks like the information on the Wiki was wrong. I think it's been fixed by now. Sorry for the inconvenience it caused you.

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

Wow, it was actually supposed to be 10%? That's not good. 

 

When they reworked Firebird, they decreased the direct damage. That decrease was too little so they decreased it again making it have the least direct tick damage of the melee-ranged turrets. It only makes sense that the damage would be increased by 50% because then if it is only 10%, then Firebird would still deal the least tick damage and DPM overall for the melee-ranged turrets. 

 

If it is supposed to be a 10% increase, what you're trying to say is that:

 

• Freeze with the Corrosive Mix alteration will beat an Incendiary Mix Firebird head-on at all times assuming they are using the same modification of the turret and the same hull and its modification.
• Stock Isida can beat it head-on in the same situation as above. 
• The price for the alteration is inconsistent with Freeze's Corrosive Mix alteration. 

I want to believe that the increase was supposed to be 50% because it makes sense seeing that Firebird with this alteration has 6 seconds of ammo. Freeze has more damage AND more seconds of ammo in their tank. Isida has a good deal more damage but 1 second less. That one second still doesn't matter since Isida does more damage with its 5-second ammo tank than Firebird's 6-second tank. 

 

Damage dealt when fully emptying the tank:

 

Firebird: 4,620

 

Freeze:  6,930

 

Isida:  5,000

 

Theoretically, with this alteration, Firebird has the least damage output for expelling their bar of ammo. 

 

IF it were to be a 50% increase and not a 10%, then the damage output after expelling an entire bar of ammo would be 6,300. Even that is still not enough to kill a Corrosive Mix freeze before itself dies. 

 

You're telling me, that Freeze has the advantage in DPM against Firebird yet their version of the alteration has a cheaper price? What sense does that make?

 

Also, a 50% increase and a 10% increase is a BIG gap. That probably mislead so many people into buying it. It is good that Europe brought this to our attention. 

[Musa 5,352]

          To be honest I never understand why people buy everything that is available to sell on the market (specially on sales, those times I never really buy). 

What do you mean? We should buy without sales? I thought that alteration will be good for my tank so I bought it..

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

What do you mean? We should buy without sales? I thought that alteration will be good for my tank so I bought it..

I think she means when some people will buy everything that they see, with or without sales instead of buying what they need.

Edited December 28, 2018 by DieselPlatinum

[Astute_T.O 63]

I really don't care anymore about alts. I prefer stock railgun. Not altered.

[GorgoBlesk 831]

I really don't care anymore about alts. I prefer stock railgun. Not altered.

Altered Rail is much better. I recommend Shell stabilisation or 'Scout' accelerator.

[Astute_T.O 63]

Altered Rail is much better. I recommend Shell stabilisation or 'Scout' accelerator.

Shell is a total NO. I prefer the inconsistency as stock rail does much higher Dmg on average then SS.

As for Scout, the faster fire rate is good but not if you end up in a 1v1 against smoky or rico. In such cases , the damage required per shot is much higher than scout can give. I know as , being an attacker, I've come in many such situations. I'm perfectly happy with stock. Thanks.

Edited December 29, 2018 by Astute_T.O

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

Shell is a total NO. I prefer the inconsistency as stock rail does much higher Dmg on average then SS.

As for Scout, the faster fire rate is good but not if you end up in a 1v1 against smoky or rico. In such cases , the damage required per shot is much higher than scout can give. I know as , being an attacker, I've come in many such situations. I'm perfectly happy with stock. Thanks.

I have shell stabilization alt on KillerDiesel, and it's pretty nice, I prefer it over standard railgun as it's quite more stabilized and actually deal higher average damage than standard because of the 50% increase in min damage.