Absolutely fantastic direction, I love it

[Longcat970 119]

The way I see it, alt overhaul and new drones completely shattered a fundamental convention of the game - unique mechanics.

 

Thank you devs for giving us the ability to deal 2 types of damage at once with Vulcan, Hammer, and Smoky. Now I can have a laugh at anyone replacing 2/3 of their modules just to fight me.

 

Who cares anymore about sneaking in with Fire and Freeze just to get murdered by speed-wall-ignore hackers, when I can stay in my optimal range AND stay alive for longer than you can say "repair kit."

 

Why bother switching to Shaft to get a flag runner when you can utterly disrespect the fool with Cryo Smoky.

 

Or how about I get my Saboteur/Miner drone with the brand-new Minum turret. Have fun dancing in your blue team Noise CTF until server restart.

 

What's this? Hammer is stupid good again? Ok, group up with your duplet and bring Trickster. We'll blast those F2P peasants into 2020 while spamming DD and Repair Kit for spite.

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Seriously though. I sometimes giggle at the thought of time traveling to 2014 TO and telling people how I can shoot as fast as a Ricochet M4 with an M2 Shaft. Or a Smoky being a better Freeze. Or Vulcan outdoing Firebird at its job. Or Thunder shooting like a Smoky. Or Railgun shooting like a Thunder. Or Twins being... well, bloody overpowered as always.

 

With hull overdrives coming soon we'll be able to pull off more shenanigans than ever.  And it's true the devs aren't going to be taking back any update as game changing as this, or Halloween's. To the update misoneists, sorry, Pandora's box has been opened - every turret mechanic is free game now. Only time will tell when I'll be able to use a Shaft scope with Railgun, or have the absurd spread of Hammer on Vulcan.

 

And if devs are going to be playing around with OD mechanics as with the Gen 2 Alterations?

 

 

inb4 Thermonuclear Shells alt

 

[murcielagoes 331]

I think it's getting to the point of where the "diversity" in battles are going a bit too far

In my own personal opinion, why are drones even implemented into the game, like the first gen of alterations were enough lol

 

Now, I can't really say anything with the lower ranks cuz tbh, im lucky enough to even get out of what hellhole been going down there with the extreme (not even drugging's the main problem anymore lmao) Fully MUed hulls/turrets/modules,drones etc.

 

I can already see it, paints will get Micro-upgrades soon (the more you upgrade, the more chance it'll deflect the shot or some crap like that "UNIQUE MECHANICS")

 

These updates may not seem REALLY crazy right now, but this is definitely where Tanki is heading to

[Maf 32,300]

Obviously not all alterations are balanced, but I wouldn't say that most of them are insanely OP other. They have their benefits and drawbacks, and I think that with a lot of them you underestimate how much the disadvantage (e.g. reduced damage for Vulcan) compensates for the benefit. Drones are a different story, but it falls under the same category as supplies, so that's pointless to discuss.

[splitterpoint 10,986]

Alterations shouldn't vary in price as they decrease and enhance certain parameters; giving you roughly the same DPS.. but some alterations are 200.000 crystals and some of them are 15.000. Some of them don't give you any drawbacks at all.

 

Too much players reaching peak performance would mean the death of an online game so I like that the developers come up with new things to upgrade. I love the concept of alterations but they aren't really alterations... they are sneaky upgrades. I think they found a new instrument to gain revenue from aswell by boosting an alteration for a short period and then nerf it again *cough* duplet alt.. 

 

I am not stupid, the duplet alt was introduced in this state so players will invest crystals in the alteration but additional items aswell such as a hammer protection module + MU's and the Hammer turret itself + MU's.. You can't utilize the Duplet alt to max potential without a Hammer and proper MU's.  And then they state something in the V-LOG like: ''We analysed the gameplay and decided that the duplet alteration was too powerful so we had to tweak it''  

 

Same happened to Firebird, Freeze, Twins, and that stupid Magnum which ruled the battlefield for 1,5 freaking years.

 

Drones? Ugh.. .the newer ones cause absolute madness. As end-game feature they should be overpriced and not overpowered; now they are both! 

[wolverine848 13,097]

Obviously not all alterations are balanced, but I wouldn't say that most of them are insanely OP other. They have their benefits and drawbacks, and I think that with a lot of them you underestimate how much the disadvantage (e.g. reduced damage for Vulcan) compensates for the benefit. Drones are a different story, but it falls under the same category as supplies, so that's pointless to discuss.

Maybe one day Isida will get an alteration that a user will actually want to buy.  Maybe.

[Lankbouv 6,347]

Alterations shouldn't vary in price as they decrease and enhance certain parameters; giving you roughly the same DPS.. but some alterations are 200.000 crystals and some of them are 15.000. Some of them don't give you any drawbacks at all.

 

Too much players reaching peak performance would mean the death of an online game so I like that the developers come up with new things to upgrade. I love the concept of alterations but they aren't really alterations... they are sneaky upgrades. I think they found a new instrument to gain revenue from aswell by boosting an alteration for a short period and then nerf it again *cough* duplet alt.. 

 

I am not stupid, the duplet alt was introduced in this state so players will invest crystals in the alteration but additional items aswell such as a hammer protection module + MU's and the Hammer turret itself + MU's.. You can't utilize the Duplet alt to max potential without a Hammer and proper MU's.  And then they state something in the V-LOG like: ''We analysed the gameplay and decided that the duplet alteration was too powerful so we had to tweak it''  

 

Same happened to Firebird, Freeze, Twins, and that stupid Magnum which ruled the battlefield for 1,5 freaking years.

 

Drones? Ugh.. .the newer ones cause absolute madness. As end-game feature they should be overpriced and not overpowered; now they are both! 

Solution, have everything m4 like me, then I can just choose the current OP combo and roll with it

 

#hatersgonnahate

[splitterpoint 10,986]

Solution, have everything m4 like me, then I can just choose the current OP combo and roll with it

 

#hatersgonnahate

Not so fast buddy, I would outperform your M4's with my upgraded supplies and upgraded drones and upgraded batteries and upgraded supplies that enhance upgraded drones of the supplies of the drones I once bought and upgraded to M4 aswell.

 

You have filled 2% of the money pit that's coming for you lol. 

[Lankbouv 6,347]

Not so fast buddy, I would outperform your M4's with my upgraded supplies and upgraded drones and upgraded batteries and upgraded supplies that enhance upgraded drones of the supplies of the drones I once bought and upgraded to M4 aswell.

 

You have filled 2% of the money pit that's coming for you lol. 

lol aahah

 

but I do have m4 blaster drone which is the best thing Tanki ever introduced.  In Noise CTF, I tell 4 of my team to wait to jump into the lower base, then press self, I go and kill all their deff, then we nick ze flag.  EZ

[TheCongoSpider 8,952]

Maybe one day Isida will get an alteration that a user will actually want to buy.  Maybe.

Broadband Emitters (I hate saying Radiators -_-) is the only alteration that seems worth it and viable for almost all situations. Support Nanobots is good for mainly PRO battles and Nanomass Reactor is just garbage. 

[SageoftheSixPaths 215]

Broadband Emitters (I hate saying Radiators -_-) is the only alteration that seems worth it and viable for almost all situations. Support Nanobots is good for mainly PRO battles and Nanomass Reactor is just garbage.

Yes, broadband emitters is good when dealing with op turrets twins and ricochet.

It would be nice if there is an alteration that would increase damage and reduce healing. I reckon there was one to be released. 'Attack nanobots' anyone? But maybe that will released in the next nerf/buff cycle and isida will be the new "turret of the month".

Edited January 4, 2019 by SageoftheSixPaths

[GorgoBlesk 831]

I just used a calculator and guess what?

 

Duplet has 35% more DPS than stock Hammer! How is this balanced???

 

Average reload of stock Hammer

 

(5+1,8+1,8)/3 = 2,85s

 

Average reload of Duplet Hammer

 

(4+0,25)/2 = 2,125s

[TheCongoSpider 8,952]

Yes, broadband emitters is good when dealing with op turrets twins and ricochet.

It would be nice if there is an alteration that would increase damage and reduce healing. I reckon there was one to be released. 'Attack nanobots' anyone? But maybe that will released in the next nerf/buff cycle and isida will be the new "turret of the month".

I hope not. I don't like to prioritise attacking when I'm playing Isida. If it becomes the super killer of the season and there are more protections against it, then I wouldn't be able to even survive on my own. I wouldn't give in to the fad unless the crystal cost for the alteration is relatively cheap. (sayyyy 35-45k) Isida doesn't have a lot  Protection Modules against it. When they nerf Isida then it will struggle as a turret trying to defend itself because of the many protections and the fact that it could only attack one player at a time. 

 

If they did that then it punishes people who use the turret for its purpose and not getting into the fad. Firebird players are gonna get punished when it gets nerfed. 

 

How demotivating would it be to be an Isida and see that most of your team has protection against you? It makes you seem dangerous and something to fear and that is bad for some people who use the gun to help their teammates. I feel bad already when more than half my team has protection against Isida. It would be even worse when almost the whole team has it. 

[Longcat970 119]

I think it's getting to the point of where the "diversity" in battles are going a bit too far

Yes, this is exactly right. Different for the sake of being different seems to be a trend nowadays, but the ideas of PURPOSE and PRUDENCE escapes people's heads 95% of the time.

 

I mean I get it. Alts like Incendiary Band are supposed to complement Vulcan's suppressive playstyle, but to just up and steal a game mechanic so central to Firebird and Freeze since 2012 rebalance opens the door to a whole lot of unprecedented insanity.

 

I recall devs saying sometime that penetration mechanic is a unique mechanic to Railgun, hence they took it away from Shaft.

Ok, so what is Firebird and Freeze's unique mechanic? Temperature. And look what happened on Halloween.

 

Now, I can't really say anything with the lower ranks cuz tbh, im lucky enough to even get out of what hellhole been going down there with the extreme (not even drugging's the main problem anymore lmao) Fully MUed hulls/turrets/modules,drones etc.

I have multiple alts playing in MMS and I can tell you it is unbalanced from Master Sergeant - WO2, broken from WO3 - 2nd Lt., and FUBAR all the way to Legend after that. Yes, I am part of that cancer.

 

Bless Hazel for moving kits down 2 more ranks. Now everyone who knows the Russian Shop Loophole can dominate sooner and for longer.

 

These updates may not seem REALLY crazy right now, but this is definitely where Tanki is heading

If I learned two things over the years on TO, it's 1) to not take the devs seriously and 2) game mechanics will get more ridiculous and rehashed in ways I wouldn't even dream of

 

Obviously not all alterations are balanced, but I wouldn't say that most of them are insanely OP other. They have their benefits and drawbacks, and I think that with a lot of them you underestimate how much the disadvantage (e.g. reduced damage for Vulcan) compensates for the benefit. Drones are a different story, but it falls under the same category as supplies, so that's pointless to discuss.

It is not so much the OPness of the alts that I am worrying about. In fact, I absolutely love all the ones people are running around with, though I do feel guilty using them from time to time.

 

What unsettles me is that someday down the road, someone will be brazen enough to screw with the central mechanics, make a profit off a recycled feature that was hastily hacked onto an alteration slot, then call it a day.

 

Who knows. The day that TO sells out and puts JGR kit on Shop, is the day I will have my last laugh

 

Alterations shouldn't vary in price as they decrease and enhance certain parameters; giving you roughly the same DPS.. but some alterations are 200.000 crystals and some of them are 15.000. Some of them don't give you any drawbacks at all.

 

Too much players reaching peak performance would mean the death of an online game so I like that the developers come up with new things to upgrade. I love the concept of alterations but they aren't really alterations... they are sneaky upgrades.

 

Drones? Ugh.. .the newer ones cause absolute madness. As end-game feature they should be overpriced and not overpowered; now they are both!

The very fact that the more "interesting" alts are placed on the farther end of the rank-price spectrum is already a red neon flag for their potential power. If alts were indeed supposed to just tilt parameters in the user's flavor, why do I never see people with Horizontal Tracking? Why do I always see Duplets and the occasional Dragon's Breath, barely any adaptive reload or slugger?

 

I can only conclude therefore that some Alts are designed to have higher exploit potential at the cost of some artificial drawback I can easily overcome with drones, drugs, and the passing Isida

Edited January 4, 2019 by Longcat970

[loginci 877]

Batteries are fall of Tanki. What is this supposed to mean? If you make something like this, then reduce the price of batteries. 300 crystals per one battery is clearly meaningless. 

[lssimo 1,559]

I just used a calculator and guess what?

 

Duplet has 35% more DPS than stock Hammer! How is this balanced???

 

Average reload of stock Hammer

 

(5+1,8+1,8)/3 = 2,85s

 

Average reload of Duplet Hammer

 

(4+0,25)/2 = 2,125s

The Duplet needs to have at least -25% damage.

 

With -25% the damage per shot will be 810, and 810 by 2 is 1620. That's 1620 damage in a .25 seconds. Still powerful I think.

 

I proposed before that to determine the appropriate damage of turrets and alterations that concentrate damage in a shorter time period in exchange of longer reloads Tanki should use the Cumulative distribution funtion, if I'm not mistaken about what this is.

 

 

Where at some point more reload time doesn't mean more damage, and where all damages are placed within the intended curve.

 

Image from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumulative_distribution_function

Edited January 5, 2019 by lssimo

[TheCongoSpider 8,952]

 

The Duplet needs to have at least -25% damage.

 

With -25% the damage per shot will be 810, and 810 by 2 is 1620. That's 1620 damage in a .25 seconds. Still powerful I think.

 

I proposed before that to determine the appropriate damage of turrets and alterations that concentrate damage in a shorter time period in exchange of longer reloads Tanki should use the Cumulative distribution funtion, if I'm not mistaken about what this is.

 

 

Where at some point more reload time doesn't mean more damage, and where all damages are placed within the intended curve.

 

Image from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumulative_distribution_function 

 

Nah, they need to just delete it and hand everyone a refund of 100k crystals (this might be a good thing for people who bought it for 50k during the sale).

 

Don't even try to balance it, just delete it. It should only be considered a luxury of the past in Tanki's history and that's it. 

[ghost-guns 1,486]

It's as I predicted - tanki as flogging the game to make as much money as possible out of it before it goes kaput.

 

The game has become very boring, in my opinion. Drones and supplies are quick fixes and stratergy and skill have all but disappeared. It's all played out on the same few maps - again very boring.

 

PRO battles are the solution for F2P players like myself but those aren't what they used to be because most F2P players have left the game.

[GorgoBlesk 831]

Obviously not all alterations are balanced, but I wouldn't say that most of them are insanely OP other. They have their benefits and drawbacks, and I think that with a lot of them you underestimate how much the disadvantage (e.g. reduced damage for Vulcan) compensates for the benefit. Drones are a different story, but it falls under the same category as supplies, so that's pointless to discuss.

What is the drawback of Duplet? It has 35% more DPS than stock Hammer.

[lssimo 1,559]

What is the drawback of Duplet? It has 35% more DPS than stock Hammer.

What?! It has like 100% more damage in .25 seconds.

 

DP.25Ss

Edited January 7, 2019 by lssimo

[GorgoBlesk 831]

What?! It has like 100% more damage in .25 seconds.

 

DP.25Ss

I counted average reload of both stock and Duplet Hammers. When 2 heavy hulls fight each other, they have enough time to recharge their clips before they kill each other.