category Ideas for Matchmaking System!

[x_Sorinel_x 552]

Instead of GS, put Druggs. You use daily 0-20 druggs you are in group A of Tanks. You use daily 50 druggs group B. You use daily 100, in group C. You use 200, in group D. You use 400+, in group E. When you join a battle, they will put some players from group E with group A in a team against group B + C. No more crap GS system.

I stay in battle when I see my team has 4 GS, enemy 2. I say "easy win". But, surprise. 1 of 9999 player in my team don't use druggs and the other can't turn turret. I'm like, what is this crap...

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 6/18/2023 at 10:43 PM, x_Sorinel_x said:

Instead of GS, put Druggs. You use daily 0-20 druggs you are in group A of Tanks. You use daily 50 druggs group B. You use daily 100, in group C. You use 200, in group D. You use 400+, in group E. When you join a battle, they will put some players from group E with group A in a team against group B + C. No more crap GS system.

And how is this more balanced? If anything this'll make battles even more unbalanced.

[CaptainKiller 67]

On 6/19/2023 at 10:43 AM, x_Sorinel_x said:

Instead of GS, put Druggs. You use daily 0-20 druggs you are in group A of Tanks. You use daily 50 druggs group B. You use daily 100, in group C. You use 200, in group D. You use 400+, in group E. When you join a battle, they will put some players from group E with group A in a team against group B + C. No more crap GS system.

I stay in battle when I see my team has 4 GS, enemy 2. I say "easy win". But, surprise. 1 of 9999 player in my team don't use druggs and the other can't turn turret. I'm like, what is this crap...

Either Skill issues (cuz $$$$) .... or that 9999GS player is just trolling.

[TargetXAcquired 277]

On 6/16/2023 at 11:39 AM, mjmj5558 said:

Okay, then we agree in this.

 

Link?

You can try and sift through my dozens of posts regarding just about every topic, I'm sure you will find it, eventually.

I am not going to reiterate my idea as it would have been quite lengthy, but rest assured i did come up with a solution. 

[x_Sorinel_x 552]

On 6/19/2023 at 9:59 AM, PirateSpider said:

And how is this more balanced? If anything this'll make battles even more unbalanced.

Game is already unbalanced. What more unbalanced do you dream ? I prefer battles, or teams where all druggs. Not 2-3 from 10 players in a team. And druggs I mean constant use. Not 5 in a single battle.

[Romantically 282]

On 6/19/2023 at 7:43 AM, x_Sorinel_x said:

I say "easy win". But, surprise. 1 of 9999 player in my team don't use druggs and the other can't turn turret. I'm like, what is this crap...

That "easy win" statement is enough a justification

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 6/19/2023 at 10:42 PM, x_Sorinel_x said:

Game is already unbalanced. What more unbalanced do you dream ? I prefer battles, or teams where all druggs. Not 2-3 from 10 players in a team. And druggs I mean constant use. Not 5 in a single battle.

Your posts here really contradict each other. So its hard to tell what you want.

[Jeers4U 665]

On 6/20/2023 at 2:49 AM, PirateSpider said:

Your posts here really contradict each other. So its hard to tell what you want.

I think he just wants a balanced MM system.

He doesn't really care how it happens, he just wants it to happen.

Like you, me, and the rest of us.

[TargetXAcquired 277]

OOOOKKKKKKK this is how you balance MM and improve the game also.

Now I have to point out that this idea (are something very similar) has been posted before-BY ME, at least a zillion times.

I also have to point out that although it would 100% and undeniably be a success, it would not help those players that have already ranked way beyond there means to maintain a upgraded and competitive garage, of which there are many, but hazel knows best, right!----nah, totally not right.

1-Make it so that ranking needs 3x more XP to reach "the next rank" all the way to marshal. This easy fix would ensure that players get the chance to upgrade their garage before the next rank, as they would stay at that rank for longer and also it would ensure, over time that more battles would be fought by equal ranks. Players would also earn more crystals and have the chance to gain more supplies. I know the upgrading system has changed (yet again, for the worse) but this idea still applies. 

2-Make it so that players do not face other players more than two ranks above them. NO.1 applies.

3-This is a new idea. Containers opened by ranks below major only get crystals and supplies, as these are the single, most favourable commodity that they need at the lower ranks.

4-Make a link that is "easily" accessible for all players that takes them to a page were they can see what items are unlocked at any particular rank. This helps a lot when judging what to upgrade with your precious crystals. The wiki just doesn't do it good enough and is quite hard to navigate when trying to find something specific to your (players) needs.

5-A lot of updates need scrapped or re-worked so they benefit players, especially the lower ranked players. There are far to many to name and it would take ages to do so. I know the devs don't act on any ideas that make comprehensive changes to their updates, but in order for MM and the game as a whole to improve dramatically, that notion also needs "SCRAPPED".  

6-When finishing a battle give more crystals than XP, x2 more should suffice. This would help players out in a big way, much like the ranking process stated in NO'1.

7- Way more crystals needed for ranking, 1000 is a joke.

8- While your implementing these good fixes for the game, you may as well sort out the players names and notifications blocking everything in battle.

9-Stop copy/pasting in the game.

10-Make turrets unique again. 

This is just a few ways to improve the game and I deliberately did not mention the shop, or P2W items in order to not impact the games economy a great deal.

Do all this and the game will improve ten fold from a players perspective and by doing that, no doubt see an increase in player numbers and a lot less negativity aimed at the game. 

Edited June 21, 2023 by TargetXAcquired

[x_Sorinel_x 552]

On 6/20/2023 at 9:49 AM, PirateSpider said:

Your posts here really contradict each other. So its hard to tell what you want.

What I want ? Better MM. What you don't understand ? If I use 100+ druggs daily, put me in a team or a battle where all players druggs. Like 10vs10. My team has 8 drugging players, enemy has 8 drugging players that waste 100+ supplies all the time. Don't put me in a crap team where 3 druggs and enemy has 6 drugging players. You understand now ?

This is why, earlier, in this topic, I said put players in Group A, group B, group C, group X, Z, Y, T (by druggs used). I have 2 9999 players in my team that don't use a single drugg in full 15 minutes battle ? No way ! Better "run".

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 6/21/2023 at 11:46 PM, x_Sorinel_x said:

What I want ? Better MM. What you don't understand ? If I use 100+ druggs daily, put me in a team or a battle where all players druggs. Like 10vs10. My team has 8 drugging players, enemy has 8 drugging players that waste 100+ supplies all the time. Don't put me in a crap team where 3 druggs and enemy has 6 drugging players. You understand now ?

This is why, earlier, in this topic, I said put players in Group A, group B, group C, group X, Z, Y, T (by druggs used). I have 2 9999 players in my team that don't use a single drugg in full 15 minutes battle ? No way ! Better "run".

Well you should have said that it takes into account of how many supplies a player typically uses daily from the get go.

Otherwise we would've assumed that it was a limit to how many supplies a player can use on a day.

 

Anway, this is a complicated system to implement, and I doubt it'll give any significant improvement.

[Positive 1,136]

That will create a longer waiting time. Also, the matchmaking should be based on gear score and not on ranks.

[PirateSpider 1,489]

I noticed that many of the MM maps can hold up to 20 or more players. If we reduce that number by 1/3 then the following will happen:

• lagspikes becoming less frequent.

• rank gaps being smaller.

• smaller GS gaps.

• probably shorter wait times.

[Jeers4U 665]

On 6/11/2023 at 4:50 AM, mjmj5558 said:

The way it works is that it first matches the players from a small rank bracket (like 3-4 ranks), but if there aren't enough players aviable to make the battle, it expends the search for other ranks.

A Third Lieutenant should never EVER be put into a battle with Legends just to fill an arena.

That is 15 (FIFTEEN) ranks higher

Basing the MM system on something that may or may not happen at 2am is ludicrous.

 

MM: Broken

Keys: Fluff

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 26, 2023 by Jeers4U

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 6/26/2023 at 4:14 PM, Jeers4U said:

A Third Lieutenant should never EVER be put into a battle with Legends just to fill an arena.

That is 15 (FIFTEEN) ranks higher

Basing the MM system on something that may or may not happen at 2am is ludicrous.

 

MM: Broken

Keys: Fluff

 

 

 

 

 

Another easy way to fix the problem you're describing:

 

[DSSJKJK 18]

On 6/22/2023 at 2:46 AM, x_Sorinel_x said:

What I want ? Better MM. What you don't understand ? If I use 100+ druggs daily, put me in a team or a battle where all players druggs. Like 10vs10. My team has 8 drugging players, enemy has 8 drugging players that waste 100+ supplies all the time. Don't put me in a crap team where 3 druggs and enemy has 6 drugging players. You understand now ?

This is why, earlier, in this topic, I said put players in Group A, group B, group C, group X, Z, Y, T (by druggs used). I have 2 9999 players in my team that don't use a single drugg in full 15 minutes battle ? No way ! Better "run".

I think whether a player uses supplies or not depends on how many supplies they have. Like me, although I'm already 9999, but I still don't have enough supplies, I often used off supplies, so in some battle, I never used supplies or used a little supplies. I think the system cannot identify which player will use supplies. 

Anyway, I think the they should remove some noob players, they never turn their turrets, and move, just like robots. I think tanki should move this kind of players. 

[Positive 1,136]

On 6/27/2023 at 7:09 AM, DSSJKJK said:

I think whether a player uses supplies or not depends on how many supplies they have. Like me, although I'm already 9999, but I still don't have enough supplies, I often used off supplies, so in some battle, I never used supplies or used a little supplies. I think the system cannot identify which player will use supplies. 

Anyway, I think the they should remove some noob players, they never turn their turrets, and move, just like robots. I think tanki should move this kind of players. 

What do you mean by remove noob players? Remove them from the battles? And how do you determine who is a "noob"?

It's not like these players play horrible on purpose. They can't do any better. Besides, the possibility of getting less skillful players in your team is just the same as them being in the opposite side. 

[DSSJKJK 18]

On 6/27/2023 at 3:19 AM, Positive said:

What do you mean by remove noob players? Remove them from the battles? And how do you determine who is a "noob"?

It's not like these players play horrible on purpose. They can't do any better. Besides, the possibility of getting less skillful players in your team is just the same as them being in the opposite side. 

Those who never turn or turn their turrets, only shut in one way and never move. They operate like a robot! 

I think if you are not doing well, like you miss many shuts, it's ok, I often miss shut, too. But I can't stand players who don't move at their birth point, or who never turn.

[Jeers4U 665]

On 6/26/2023 at 11:02 PM, PirateSpider said:

 

Agree 100% with you. I have suggested the same thing.

But I find it funny that--for whatever reason--they seem to keep trying to explain HOW MM works.

And it's like, dude, I know HOW it works, I'm telling you HOW it works isn't fair.

It's like I'm speaking a dialect of gorilla-grunts that they can't understand.

 

 

 

[x_Sorinel_x 552]

On 6/22/2023 at 7:04 PM, PirateSpider said:

Anway, this is a complicated system to implement, and I doubt it'll give any significant improvement.

Wow, to complicated ? Better bring stupid crap paints. Or stupid crap skins... Well, no more crap no drugg players in my team.

 

On 6/27/2023 at 10:19 AM, Positive said:

What do you mean by remove noob players? Remove them from the battles? And how do you determine who is a "noob"?

If you are AFK, you are removed from battle. If a player, in full battle, has less than 150-200 points, is noob for me. Remove him from battle. Bye bye. I saw enemy team, with 2 players that just mined all the base, like 100+ mines. It ended 0-0 Rugby, they got about 300 points (both, not each). They where last in team.

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 6/27/2023 at 7:55 AM, x_Sorinel_x said:

Wow, to complicated ? Better bring stupid crap paints. Or stupid crap skins... Well, no more crap no drugg players in my team.

Wow, you completely missed my point.

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 6/27/2023 at 7:41 AM, Jeers4U said:

Agree 100% with you. I have suggested the same thing.

But I find it funny that--for whatever reason--they seem to keep trying to explain HOW MM works.

And it's like, dude, I know HOW it works, I'm telling you HOW it works isn't fair.

It's like I'm speaking a dialect of gorilla-grunts that they can't understand.

 

 

 

I got a couple more ideas for balancing MM but they're a bit more complicated than what I've been posting lately.

[Son_Goku 514]

On 6/27/2023 at 5:52 PM, PirateSpider said:

I got a couple more ideas for balancing MM but they're a bit more complicated than what I've been posting lately.

You can't balance matchmaking that is not skill-based, especially not with such a small player base. Any kinds of restrictions to the current matchmaking system will drastically increase queue times, and players will just start complaining again.

Yes, a lieutenant should not be matched against legends, obviously. But this is happening because there are just not enough players queuing for a lieutenant to fill an entire match. What do you want them to do, wait for 30 minutes, perhaps hours in queue to find a game? Make them stop playing because they can't find a match with players on their rank? That's also pointless.

Skill-based matchmaking should have been added years ago, it would have easily made the game face fewer problems nowadays, and I bet that the player base would have also been bigger. But now, I don't see how you can "fix" matchmaking without increasing queue times noticeably.

Edited June 27, 2023 by Son_Goku

[PirateSpider 1,489]

On 6/27/2023 at 10:13 AM, Son_Goku said:

You can't balance matchmaking that is not skill-based, especially not with such a small player base. Any kinds of restrictions to the current matchmaking system will drastically increase queue times, and players will just start complaining again.

Yes, a lieutenant should not be matched against legends, obviously. But this is happening because there are just not enough players queuing for a lieutenant to fill an entire match. What do you want them to do, wait for 30 minutes, perhaps hours in queue to find a game? Make them stop playing because they can't find a match with players on their rank? That's also pointless.

Skill-based matchmaking should have been added years ago, it would have easily made the game face fewer problems nowadays, and I bet that the player base would have also been bigger. But now, I don't see how you can "fix" matchmaking without increasing queue times noticeably.

Just read this topic.

[Son_Goku 514]

Personally, I would also shrink the teams to maybe a 6v6 as that's (I think) the current tournament standard and also decrease the duration to 10 minutes + a couple seconds as prep time. It would probably make the game more enjoyable, but not really more fair, as it would still not be skill-based. I don't even think that the current matchmaking is bad or something, but rather that everything around it, such as ranks and how you progress - so basically the whole game - is simply flawed.

A smaller ranks gap will get you nothing. Even if you have a lobby full of 9999 GS legends, half of them will still be total buffoons who know nothing about the game, leading the team with more bad players to still be totally dominated. So here, the problem is not the matchmaking, but that it's not skill-based and that the current ranks are a totally outdated concept, which is in fact the one devs came up with 14 years ago or even more. I think the devs themselves mentioned in some V-Log that they didn't think they would make it this far, and that the current ranks are indeed an outdated concept.

The way you progress/upgrade your tank is also totally flawed. Unless you rework the whole thing, I also don't think you can make matchmaking more fair. But talking about this would go beyond the scope of this discussion.

To conclude, I still don't see how you can make it fair without having it skill-based. And for skill-based, it's unfortunately too late.

Edited June 27, 2023 by Son_Goku