Dictator is an embarrassment

[Michael828 816]

Has anyone not noticed yet that its shots can actually fly above hulls like Viking and Hornet? (low profile hulls which are everywhere in battles). Maybe this is not with all turrets, but try using RCG Magnum with it, and you literally cannot hit any enemy that gets near you.

 

Second part of why this hull is pretty much an outcast is because it's just absolutely massive, and wow its appearance... compared by many to a shoe. 

 

This hull cannot ever be considered "medium" in a universe where Viking is also considered so. It needs a different weight category and probably a design change.

 

That's it

 

 

 

[featwasath 267]

Well, it helps the diversity in the game. Also each hull has its own unique advantages & disadvantages. These occasions which other hulls come extremely close to Dictators are very rare. I can name the ability to catch Gold Boxes as an  advantage of Dictator & it also has a similar rarity like in the previous case. Actually the main disadvantage of Dictator is its overdrive mechanic. It benefits teammates a lot more than it does to the Dictator. 

[TheCongoSpider 8,957]

Sooo, about RGC. I used it with every hull to see how far a shot at 100% velocity would reach, because every hull had their own elevation. To my surprise, there wasn't much of a difference between the distances. 

 

Because of its height, long-range turrets (turrets with low downwards auto-aim) would have a harder time hitting low profile enemies that are stuck up to you. Before the Reinforced Aiming Transmission buff for Vulcan, I couldn't fight Vikings, Hornets or Wasp at close range. My shots would not hit them as I was too high and my downwards auto-aim was too low. I had a moment where I was up against this Viking and I'm shooting at it point blank but not even hitting him, and it was a tight space. The Viking looked at me with his turret and then ignores me and continues sniping. That was the most embarrassing in-battle moment I had. 

After the buff, it became less of a hassle to play against them in those situations but I still see myself missing shots and dealing little damage to Vikings because of their low profile. 

 

Dictator itself is a solid hull. Good traction and ok speed. The height has its advantages. And so does its Overdrive. It may be an embarrassment, but it just might save your team's life and assure them victory. 

 

 

[Viking4s 10,791]

It is also harder to align 2 targets with the railgun, the height mixed with auto aim make the shot go down to quickly, so it seldom touche the next tank if too far away.

Edited December 18, 2019 by Viking4s

[wolverine848 13,097]

I've read elsewhere how great Dictator is at turning.  I actually find it very sluggish.  Does not "feel" like a medium hull.

 

It has better stability than viking of course, but not sure that compensates for it's "odd" movement characteristics.

[Michael828 816]

It feels too bulky, and yes I know it adds some diversity to the game, but mostly in that it just exists there, while not many players are actually using it.

 

Catching gold boxes cannot be considered a tactical advantage for this hull,  golds are simple bonuses and don't affect battle outcomes. Its height and weight are only advantageous for golds and literally not in any other scenario I can think of now.

 

Also it's overdrive is pretty meh honestly, like featwasath said it just boosts your teammates while leaving one's self in the dust.

 

 

[Michael828 816]

But this isn't necessarily a rant about it being a bad hull, it's just not something you'd enjoy as your main hull for example.

[wolverine848 13,097]

One situation where it thrives is Pro-Battle-No-Supplies (if OD enabled).

If Team A has Dictator and Team does not, Team A wins easily.

[TheCongoSpider 8,957]

2 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

I've read elsewhere how great Dictator is at turning.  I actually find it very sluggish.  Does not "feel" like a medium hull.

 

It has better stability than viking of course, but not sure that compensates for it's "odd" movement characteristics.

 

44 minutes ago, Michael828 said:

But this isn't necessarily a rant about it being a bad hull, it's just not something you'd enjoy as your main hull for example.

I see...

 

I like the traction I get when turning. And it's very useful with Vulcan when I need to keep my train of bullets on them for long. I can circle my Dictator around  to change orientation and still have my train of bullets on them. Which, barring Overdrives, is why I'd rather use Vulcan with Dictator and Wasp than Viking and Hornet. 

Its weight + slower (medium hull-tier) speed is what makes its turning capabilities great. 

 

And with that stability, you can keep aim better with other turrets as well compared to Hornet or Viking. 

 

51 minutes ago, Michael828 said:

It feels too bulky, and yes I know it adds some diversity to the game, but mostly in that it just exists there, while not many players are actually using it.

Yeah this is a problem at times. I'm an easy target to hit. So in a group of tanks, I'd be the most likely to get hit if there are no Isidas around. My Overdrive might as well make me appear to be an Isida anyways. 

[HammerXT 0]

xD

Edited December 24, 2019 by HammerXT

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

7 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

Sooo, about RGC. I used it with every hull to see how far a shot at 100% velocity would reach, because every hull had their own elevation. To my surprise, there wasn't much of a difference between the distances. 

 

Because of its height, long-range turrets (turrets with low downwards auto-aim) would have a harder time hitting low profile enemies that are stuck up to you. Before the Reinforced Aiming Transmission buff for Vulcan, I couldn't fight Vikings, Hornets or Wasp at close range. My shots would not hit them as I was too high and my downwards auto-aim was too low. I had a moment where I was up against this Viking and I'm shooting at it point blank but not even hitting him, and it was a tight space. The Viking looked at me with his turret and then ignores me and continues sniping. That was the most embarrassing in-battle moment I had. 

After the buff, it became less of a hassle to play against them in those situations but I still see myself missing shots and dealing little damage to Vikings because of their low profile. 

 

Dictator itself is a solid hull. Good traction and ok speed. The height has its advantages. And so does its Overdrive. It may be an embarrassment, but it just might save your team's life and assure them victory. 

 

 

I find dictator too Damn bouncy. 

but who even cares about their team over themselves anymore these days?

[TheCongoSpider 8,957]

32 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

I find dictator too Damn bouncy.

Bouncy? 

 

32 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

but who even cares about their team over themselves anymore these days?

Enough people to keep the teamwork spirit alive, I guess. 

 

[Joeguy 941]

2 hours ago, DieselPlatinum said:

but who even cares about their team over themselves anymore these days?

I think the days of teamwork are pretty much over.  Tanki has become a reactionary type of game as opposed to previously being a strategy game.  Everything Tanki has done to the game makes it less team oriented and more like Space Invaders.  Even the battle fund is pretty meaningless in MM battles...win or lose, it's all about the stars and daily missions.  Previously knowing how to handle your turret/hull would determine your standing in the leader board.  Now it is mostly who bought the best equipment and luck.  Skill plays a minor roll now...it gives you a slight edge, but it's not the main factor anymore.

 

The whole star system encourages selfish based play as opposed to teamwork.  I drive Dictators solely because of its OD.  I rarely use the OD for the team because it may advance my own teammates to a higher score than me which might possibly edge me out of a star or two.  What is the motivation to help the team?  Battle funds are certainly no motivation.  The social factor is gone from Tanki so you make no new friends if you help your team or ignore your team.  Sharing Dictators OD can only cost you stars in Neo-Tanki.

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

2 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

Bouncy? 

 

Enough people to keep the teamwork spirit alive, I guess. 

 

Every time I accelerate or stop accelerating it bounces. Well then again I last used it on flash. So it may not be so goofy on HTML5.

[wolverine848 13,097]

2 hours ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Every time I accelerate or stop accelerating it bounces. Well then again I last used it on flash. So it may not be so goofy on HTML5.

It's still goofy.

[TheCongoSpider 8,957]

2 hours ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Every time I accelerate or stop accelerating it bounces. Well then again I last used it on flash. So it may not be so goofy on HTML5.

Oh that. Makes it great for compensating low auto-aim numbers. I don't have a problem with it. 

[Michael828 816]

On 12/18/2019 at 9:31 PM, TheCongoSpider said:

 

I see...

 

I like the traction I get when turning. And it's very useful with Vulcan when I need to keep my train of bullets on them for long. I can circle my Dictator around  to change orientation and still have my train of bullets on them. Which, barring Overdrives, is why I'd rather use Vulcan with Dictator and Wasp than Viking and Hornet. 

Its weight + slower (medium hull-tier) speed is what makes its turning capabilities great. 

 

Its turning speed feels incredibly slow, and when you couple that with a turret having a slow rotation speed like Magnum or Rail, you're really hindering your agility in battles. Reacting quickly to threats becomes more challenging with Dictator, as opposed to Viking and Hunter which didn't really give me that kind of trouble.

Edited December 19, 2019 by Michael828

[DeathIsImminent 153]

I think it looks cool, but there are both drawbacks and advantages to its height. Namely, it is the best gold-catcher. That's why I've chosen to take the Voltage kit while I'm in M2s, a point where the game gets really boring as you slog your way to getting M3 kits. Long-range weapon + higher chances to catch the gold.

[iWillHealYou 220]

It is true that it's OD benefits teammates more than yourself and it also don't fit with many turrets. But there are still some benefits (will not talk about gold boxes as I don't care). The most important reason why I use it is because of it's aiming capability, with Gauss I can shoot at very extreme angles where it is not possible to shoot with other hulls. Second thing is, you can score goals and cap flags(in ASL) while sliding over the enemy tanks which is a very huge advantage of it's weight. 

The most annoying thing about Dictator is flipping on the sides, I can control side flips with other hulls by 'turning while jumping trick' but it doesn't work with dictator most of the cases.

[r_Given6 859]

I feel Dictator's awesome. Great maneuverability, endless supplies, and all those Gold Boxes...

[Michael828 816]

So its height is good for Gauss aiming, but also a drawback for other turrets which aren't equipped with enough downward auto-aim. So overall it's not helpful in all scenarios.

 

11 hours ago, iWillHealYou said:

Second thing is, you can score goals and cap flags(in ASL) while sliding over the enemy tanks which is a very huge advantage of it's weight. 

You have a good point considering its power, which indicates how good the hull is at pushing other hulls. It's weight isn't actually that important, it just tells you how resistant the hull is to being pushed by other hulls. And well I guess it's good for ASL red team and for some clutch moments in Rugby, but overall the battles tend to be in larger maps in MM, so I often don't get the chance to reach an enemy base before getting killed. And often I'll try to cap a flag when no one's around, so I'm not really utilizing that pushing power.

 

 

 

[Michael828 816]

1 hour ago, Given said:

I feel Dictator's awesome. Great maneuverability, endless supplies, and all those Gold Boxes...

 

[wolverine848 13,097]

3 hours ago, Michael828 said:

So its height is good for Gauss aiming, but also a drawback for other turrets which aren't equipped with enough downward auto-aim. So overall it's not helpful in all scenarios.

You have a good point considering its power, which indicates how good the hull is at pushing other hulls. It's weight isn't actually that important, it just tells you how resistant the hull is to being pushed by other hulls. And well I guess it's good for ASL red team and for some clutch moments in Rugby, but overall the battles tend to be in larger maps in MM, so I often don't get the chance to reach an enemy base before getting killed. And often I'll try to cap a flag when no one's around, so I'm not really utilizing that pushing power.

Not so great when anything smaller (4 of the 7 hulls) is in your face.  Fires right over them and misses completely.

[featwasath 267]

On 12/18/2019 at 9:10 PM, Viking4s said:

It is also harder to align 2 targets with the railgun, the height mixed with auto aim make the shot go down to quickly, so it seldom touche the next tank if too far away.

I really don't understand why people use Railgun with Dictator

[Viking4s 10,791]

1 hour ago, featwasath said:

I really don't understand why people use Railgun with Dictator

Bad choice of product kit

I tried, it did not work well. But with it can survive longer and support team.