Players nowadays have a lack of respect for their Viking teammates.

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

Challenges may also contribute to this. So I'm noticing that players are literally pushing their Viking teammates despite there being better and easier options. This is especially infuriating when you're shooting an enemy that's attacking you.

 

Now I'd understand if they pushed me because they had a flag or ball and I was in their way because there was no other way to go, that's understandable.

 

But pushing me when there are a billion routes to go, that's not understandable.

 

This is most detrimental when you're using the OD, got into position, and still get pushed by your teammates who know where you are.

 

Anyway, this lack of respect for Viking users need to stop.

[TheCongoSpider 8,952]

I've never seen this happen. And when it does, it's never visually intentional. 

 

How long has this been happening for you to say this now? 

[wolverine848 13,097]

1 hour ago, TheCongoSpider said:

I've never seen this happen. And when it does, it's never visually intentional. 

 

How long has this been happening for you to say this now? 

Happens a lot - but not just with viking.  Pause in a decent place to take pot-shots at incoming tanks and invariably there's a team-mate behind bumping you, and even pushing you (at the pushing part u know it's intentional)

Sometimes might be lag or not paying attention.

But many times it's because they are impatient or too lazy to find a way around you.

Sure you might be in a "pathway" but - they can wait while I take down my target.  It's just selfish of them to insist on moving forward at that exact moment.

[r_Given6 859]

I see that happening despite whatever hull I use. I mostly attribute it to either less skill or ghosting (they mostly are moving forward and firing as well, so they might not be able to turn smoothly). But the problem I see is that when they realise this, they stop and take a separate route only when I'm using a heavy hull, like Mammoth or Titan, and sometimes with medium hulls like Dictator or Hunter. 

The good thing is that Wasp can avoid these "bumps" kind of easily, and Hornet and Viking just let the darn tank pass over them. 

[TheCongoSpider 8,952]

12 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

Happens a lot - but not just with viking.  Pause in a decent place to take pot-shots at incoming tanks and invariably there's a team-mate behind bumping you, and even pushing you (at the pushing part u know it's intentional)

Sometimes might be lag or not paying attention.

But many times it's because they are impatient or too lazy to find a way around you.

Sure you might be in a "pathway" but - they can wait while I take down my target.  It's just selfish of them to insist on moving forward at that exact moment.

I meant I never see this happening to Viking players specifically for the intent to disrupt their score earned. The ones I come across who do this are usually mults.

 

Sometimes it's by accident because they were running away from something and bumped into right as I'm about to fire at someone and miss. Most often, it's them trying to go through a part that's clearly blocked and don't want to find an alternative route. But from my experience, I don't see this happening outside of pushing someone off of the flag or capture point. 

 

What boils my blood is when I'm playing with hornet and my Scout Railgun or Sledgehammer Thunder teammate is trying to shoot someone from afar and keeps hitting me while I'm trying to aim at a far-away target that's also shooting me. There is nothing I can do in that situation but be a yo-yo for my enemy and teammate's enjoyment, truly powerless. 

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

2 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

Happens a lot - but not just with viking.  Pause in a decent place to take pot-shots at incoming tanks and invariably there's a team-mate behind bumping you, and even pushing you (at the pushing part u know it's intentional)

Sometimes might be lag or not paying attention.

But many times it's because they are impatient or too lazy to find a way around you.

Sure you might be in a "pathway" but - they can wait while I take down my target.  It's just selfish of them to insist on moving forward at that exact moment.

 

2 hours ago, Given said:

I see that happening despite whatever hull I use. I mostly attribute it to either less skill or ghosting (they mostly are moving forward and firing as well, so they might not be able to turn smoothly). But the problem I see is that when they realise this, they stop and take a separate route only when I'm using a heavy hull, like Mammoth or Titan, and sometimes with medium hulls like Dictator or Hunter. 

The good thing is that Wasp can avoid these "bumps" kind of easily, and Hornet and Viking just let the darn tank pass over them. 

 

2 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

I meant I never see this happening to Viking players specifically for the intent to disrupt their score earned. The ones I come across who do this are usually mults.

 

Sometimes it's by accident because they were running away from something and bumped into right as I'm about to fire at someone and miss. Most often, it's them trying to go through a part that's clearly blocked and don't want to find an alternative route. But from my experience, I don't see this happening outside of pushing someone off of the flag or capture point. 

 

What boils my blood is when I'm playing with hornet and my Scout Railgun or Sledgehammer Thunder teammate is trying to shoot someone from afar and keeps hitting me while I'm trying to aim at a far-away target that's also shooting me. There is nothing I can do in that situation but be a yo-yo for my enemy and teammate's enjoyment, truly powerless. 

Well, it happens to other hulls to. But Viking has the worst experience with this behavior. Not only is it fragile at all sides, but also all the other hulls are able to shoot over Viking, while Viking doesn't have that luxury.

[SporkZilla 1,775]

It's a general problem, tired of people knocking me out of position and me making me miss (with Smoky / Hunter), but Viking suffers most

 

Too many people think it's Dodgems Online instead of Tanki Online

 

 

[Viking4s 10,791]

What is respect?

Viking gets a large butt, if you stop to chat, park on the side of the road.

[Sacrifice 2,278]

I have made three deductions here:

(1) Sabotage:

It could be possible that you are being sabotaged by the other players. In that case you should just report them. 

(2) Occasional:

To be pushed by others is occasional and a part of the gameplay. Whenever I am using railgun and wasp or even isida and wasp, I have players pushing me. This also happens when I am trying to heal them. Its not necessarily always viking. 

(3) Location:

You maybe standing in other peoples path and they might be trying to get past. You know reversing the tank and following traffic rules during the gameplay are not always ideal. 

Lack of discipine and no chemistry between players of the team you usually end up in may also be the reasons. 

 

I would not call it lack of respect for players using viking. 

Edited January 24, 2020 by Sacrifice
Did I mention that viking takes more space per centimetre cube and its physical geometry and weight hampers it to ignore other tanks?

[a7x_Pedro48 13,999]

9 hours ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Anyway, this lack of respect for Viking users need to stop.

It happens a lot, and not only with Viking.

 

When I camp with Magnum, I use either Viking or Dictator. But when I have Viking and I use my OD, sometimes a dumb comes and hit the back of my tank, just to make me move and hit nothing, or a wall.

 

In Highways, when I use Shaft, it is very common to see a dumb just standing in front of me when I use the scope mode, so I can see nothing.

 

But the most hilarious part is when a teammate uses a light hull, and he just changes to Mammoth or Titan and stays in the open, just near the spot where I hide behind house. And he just waits here, to take a Gauss shot and damage me in the process. I am hidden, but he's not, so he takes damage and I take too.

 

This is not mistakes. This is made on purpose. Lot of players are just dumb. This is both hilarious and sad to see your teammates not fighting the enemy, but their own teammates.

 

Most of the time, these kind of mults use Twins.

[Benefactor 6,888]

Viking needs more weight. It acts like a pinwheel when hit on the corners.

[Okami 3,041]

1 hour ago, Benefactor said:

Viking needs more weight. It acts like a pinwheel when hit on the corners.

This is what it feels like to drive Viking.

There are benefits, like when turning to face an enemy while using Firebird, but 97% of the time it's ridiculous.

[Okami 3,041]

I don't use Viking a lot, but if someone is driving straight into me and not getting out of the way, my mind defaults to them being a lagger.

[Sacrifice 2,278]

2 hours ago, Benefactor said:

Viking needs more weight. It acts like a pinwheel when hit on the corners.

You can say it needs stability or more blanced maneuvering but adding more weight would either make it identical to another hull of the same category, or totally out of its category. By category I mean light/med/high weight hulls. 

[TheCongoSpider 8,952]

7 hours ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Well, it happens to other hulls to. But Viking has the worst experience with this behavior. Not only is it fragile at all sides, but also all the other hulls are able to shoot over Viking, while Viking doesn't have that luxury.

Ohh, well you made it sound like it was happening to Viking only, and not that it had the worst experience. Yeah I've seen a lot of instances where a Viking + Magnum, Thunder or Striker activate their Overdrive near a wall trying to shoot someone far away then a teammate happens to shoot them at the back of their tank and make them turn into the wall and self-destruct. It's funny when it happens to enemies.

Edited January 24, 2020 by TheCongoSpider

[wolverine848 13,097]

27 minutes ago, GrayWolf8733 said:

This is what it feels like to drive Viking.

There are benefits, like when turning to face an enemy while using Firebird, but 97% of the time it's ridiculous.

Nice Recovery!    

 

4 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

Ohh, well you made it sound like it was happening to Viking only, and not that it had the worst experience. Yeah I've seen a lot of instances where a Viking + Magnum, Thunder or Striker activate their Overdrive near a wall trying to shoot someone far away then a teammate happens to shoot them at the back of their tank and make them turn into the wall and self-destruct. It's funny when it happens to enemies.

How come I never see a Magnum-Viking self destruct when it's hitting enemies point-blank with OD on.  Even with 50% protection they should still be doing massive damage to themselves...

[Potdindy 866]

I play lots of wasp and hornet so....tell me about it. Bigger hulls are constantly smashing into me.

I do think tho that since Viking is the most pushed hull, statwise, players who enjoy it will be fine. Most ppl who come in first place tend to be vikings in my battles

[TheCongoSpider 8,952]

11 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

How come I never see a Magnum-Viking self destruct when it's hitting enemies point-blank with OD on.  Even with 50% protection they should still be doing massive damage to themselves...

How close to the target are we talking? Like pressed up against the target? Or is there some distance away from them? And is the target moving away from the magnum Viking? Remember its splash damage was decreased. While this makes it harder to severely damage enemies within it, it also makes it less of a hazard to use Magnum at close range than before. 

 

Sometimes the shots deal no damage to the enemy, and therefore no damage to itself. If they had DA as well as the protection, they could survive about 3-4 shots if they get unlucky enough with their damage distribution while pressed up against the target. With DA and 50% protection against themselves, they would only be receiving 25% of the self-damage. That survivability is boosted with the Defender Drone but I assume that the Drone wasn't used in your cases. 

[wolverine848 13,097]

3 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

How close to the target are we talking? Like pressed up against the target? Or is there some distance away from them? And is the target moving away from the magnum Viking? Remember its splash damage was decreased. While this makes it harder to severely damage enemies within it, it also makes it less of a hazard to use Magnum at close range than before. 

 

Sometimes the shots deal no damage to the enemy, and therefore no damage to itself. If they had DA as well as the protection, they could survive about 3-4 shots if they get unlucky enough with their damage distribution while pressed up against the target. With DA and 50% protection against themselves, they would only be receiving 25% of the self-damage. That survivability is boosted with the Defender Drone but I assume that the Drone wasn't used in your cases. 

within 5-10 m.

I guess the questin is... can Magnum splash itself against a dyng tank.  OD fire so fast - shots are still being fired even as the tank gets destroyed.  Does the "dead hulk" of a tank count as something like a wall?  I mean they block friendly tanks and shots.  So those 4-6 extra shots (often with DD) should still be doing a lot of self-damage to the magnum since viking OD has a damage multiplier as well. Cutting that damage in 4 (DA + module) will still result in significant splash damage by sheer number of shots.

[TheCongoSpider 8,952]

11 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

within 5-10 m.

Oh well then they're not doing much damage to themselves. 

 

11 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

I guess the questin is... can Magnum splash itself against a dyng tank.  OD fire so fast - shots are still being fired even as the tank gets destroyed.  Does the "dead hulk" of a tank count as something like a wall?  I mean they block friendly tanks and shots.  So those 4-6 extra shots (often with DD) should still be doing a lot of self-damage to the magnum since viking OD has a damage multiplier as well. Cutting that damage in 4 (DA + module) will still result in significant splash damage by sheer number of shots.

Pretty sure I've self-destructed many times from shooting the dead husk but would not deal any damage to enemies if the shot hit the husk with enemies around. Sometimes I do damage in that same situation. Will have to test it to see if it's still like that today.

 

To my memory, I've had Thunder Vikings and Twins Vikings self-destruct half second after killing me leading me to believe that they do in fact take self-damage from shooting the husk.  

[TheCongoSpider 8,952]

1 hour ago, wolverine848 said:

within 5-10 m.

I guess the questin is... can Magnum splash itself against a dyng tank.

Ok, so I tried it with Gauss and Twins first, and I received self-damage from shooting the husk of the tank. 

 

Then I went on to Magnum. Hitting the husk itself causes splash damage. The first time I did it though, I didn't receive any damage for 3 shots when pressed up against the husk. Then I tried 2 more battles and in both of those battles, I received self-damage from shooting the husk.

 

What I can conclude is that you were unfortunate to be going against the Magnums fortunate enough to not be affected any self-damage. As I have experienced, sometimes just sticking up to someone with Magnum and shooting them doesn't do any damage to the enemy or self-damage to you. I presume that is the case that's happening here except it's with Viking's Overdrive. I don't think I had any enemies round when I wasn't getting the self damage, so I can't tell if it damages enemies but not damage you at the same time. 

[Maf 32,300]

14 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

But many times it's because they are impatient or too lazy to find a way around you.

To be honest, I'm partially guilty of this too. I definitely avoid intentionally bumping into teammates when I can see they are aiming and about to shoot, but sometimes I'm focused on my goal (taking the flag, getting to enemy base, etc.) and I don't care how I get there, even if it means pushing through a bunch of teammates.

As for Viking - I simply don't have much respect for the hull because it's so overused for its basic "pew pew pew" overdrive. But it's not like I intentionally sabotage them because of it.

[wolverine848 13,097]

Just now, Maf said:

To be honest, I'm partially guilty of this too. I definitely avoid intentionally bumping into teammates when I can see they are aiming and about to shoot, but sometimes I'm focused on my goal (taking the flag, getting to enemy base, etc.) and I don't care how I get there, even if it means pushing through a bunch of teammates.

As for Viking - I simply don't have much respect for the hull because it's so overused for its basic "pew pew pew" overdrive. But it's not like I intentionally sabotage them because of it.

Oh I don't have an issue with flag carriers.  I'll leap off cliffs to get out of their way.  It's the other 95% that bother me.

I get that there will be bumps from time to time as players don't see me or are backing up.

But there's plenty that know I'm there, shooting, and still try to push through.

[Maf 32,300]

2 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

But there's plenty that know I'm there, shooting, and still try to push through.

Sometimes it's annoying when a camper takes up a whole passageway. A prime example of this is the Silence balcony spot. I like to use it to jump into the enemy base, but often there's a Shaft just sitting there, shooting at enemies. What am I supposed to do? Go another way every single time?

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

1 hour ago, Maf said:

Sometimes it's annoying when a camper takes up a whole passageway. A prime example of this is the Silence balcony spot. I like to use it to jump into the enemy base, but often there's a Shaft just sitting there, shooting at enemies. What am I supposed to do? Go another way every single time?

Well then that's understandable because they were basically blocking a common route. It's a problem when the you're way out of the way of traffic, but someone still decides to rush into your side.