What Is Your Opinion About the Current State of Tanki Online?

[cosmic666 1,055]

8 hours ago, sharifsahaf said:

the OD seems to be a mixture of wasp bomb and mammoth OD ,so i guess it may ignore titans dome .titan seriously needs the healing factor back .or the dome  should be made impenetrable ,so that no enemy tank can physically  enter it

Deff agree with that,at the moment titan's overdrive can be countered very easily.  

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[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

On 6/27/2020 at 5:35 AM, cosmic666 said:

Deff agree with that,at the moment titan's overdrive can be countered very easily.  

Practically everything except Viking can counter titans OD.

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[TheCongoSpider 8,951]

16 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Practically everything except Viking can counter titans OD.

The only thing that can't counter it is Dictator by itself. Viking is a soft counter because they don't heal from the dome and it is perfectly possible to brute force your way through the dome with damage. It's not advised to use Viking's Overdrive to counter it since you can apply it to better effect in other scenarios but it is a counter nonetheless. 

[sharifsahaf 656]

48 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Practically everything except Viking can counter titans OD.

you my friend are partially correct .i was in a teammates titan dome with full hp. this mk7 gauss turns on dd and berserk reactor ,ducked behind cover cause i knew i was gonna die ,he chipped my health down to 1/3 rd in 2 seconds.the titan (also full health) wasn't so lucky and died. 

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

2 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

The only thing that can't counter it is Dictator by itself. Viking is a soft counter because they don't heal from the dome and it is perfectly possible to brute force your way through the dome with damage. It's not advised to use Viking's Overdrive to counter it since you can apply it to better effect in other scenarios but it is a counter nonetheless. 

Dictator actually has two counters against titan.

1) it can slow the titan long enough for it to get away.

2) activate OD on nearby teammates, surely one of them will take care of the titan.

1 hour ago, sharifsahaf said:

you my friend are partially correct .i was in a teammates titan dome with full hp. this mk7 gauss turns on dd and berserk reactor ,ducked behind cover cause i knew i was gonna die ,he chipped my health down to 1/3 rd in 2 seconds.the titan (also full health) wasn't so lucky and died. 

Also as a reply to both of these posts, there's no way a Viking can "brute force" a titan unless there's more than one Viking attacking the titan or the Viking is using an mk8 turret and double damage and the titan is mk1 or mk2.

Not to mention you have to factor in that titan will most likely equip double armor and have a repair ready in case it really needs it.

Also knocking the Viking off its aim is a simple but very effective counter to its OD.

So based off of this, it's safe to assume that the titan will survive the "onslaught" of Viking OD while in its dome.

If Viking OD allowed it to ignore 40% of titan domes defences, I would've agreed.

[sharifsahaf 656]

2 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Dictator actually has two counters against titan.

1) it can slow the titan long enough for it to get away.

2) activate OD on nearby teammates, surely one of them will take care of the titan.

Also as a reply to both of these posts, there's no way a Viking can "brute force" a titan unless there's more than one Viking attacking the titan or the Viking is using an mk8 turret and double damage and the titan is mk1 or mk2.

Not to mention you have to factor in that titan will most likely equip double armor and have a repair ready in case it really needs it.

Also knocking the Viking off its aim is a simple but very effective counter to its OD.

So based off of this, it's safe to assume that the titan will survive the "onslaught" of Viking OD while in its dome.

If Viking OD allowed it to ignore 40% of titan domes defences, I would've agreed.

If he was using booster ,don't you think he'd get enough power to get enough of an overpass to cause serious damage?

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

Just now, sharifsahaf said:

If he was using booster ,don't you think he'd get enough power to get enough of an overpass to cause serious damage?

Probably. But I also don't know why the titan can't just knock off the Vikings aim off unless the Viking has heavyweight construction alt. Though you can also negate the damage being inflicted onto you by using defender, crisis, or a fully MUed Hyperion drone.

[coconuttree 519]

Viking can kill a titan inside a dome with overdrive. I have killed titans using Rico and Viking overdrive and dd a few times myself. I have also been killed by Vikings with overdrive when under a dome. But in all of these occasions, the titan had no da.

Edited June 29, 2020 by coconuttree

[TheCongoSpider 8,951]

15 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Dictator actually has two counters against titan.

1) it can slow the titan long enough for it to get away.

That is not a counter to the dome itself. 

 

15 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

2) activate OD on nearby teammates, surely one of them will take care of the titan.

That's why I specified Dictator by itself. And not always will they be fully charged upon receiving the Overdrive, neither is gathering teammates that are off doing their own goals unless it's a mode or map where they have to stick together. 

 

17 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Also as a reply to both of these posts, there's no way a Viking can "brute force" a titan unless there's more than one Viking attacking the titan or the Viking is using an mk8 turret and double damage and the titan is mk1 or mk2.

Not to mention you have to factor in that titan will most likely equip double armor and have a repair ready in case it really needs it.

Also knocking the Viking off its aim is a simple but very effective counter to its OD.

So based off of this, it's safe to assume that the titan will survive the "onslaught" of Viking OD while in its dome.

If Viking OD allowed it to ignore 40% of titan domes defences, I would've agreed.

I have been killed many times by Viking Overdrives inside the dome. I have killed many players inside the dome with Viking's Overdrive I have killed people without the Overdrive because they were on low health and I persisted long enough to see them dead. Some turrets work better than others, for instance altered Railguns and Magnums offer the highest DPS.

 

Mk8 Magnums will deal on average ~70k damage during the Overdrive. That's 7k with the dome. That will kill a medium hull with DA if it doesn't use a repair kit and if they were at full HP at the beginning. A lot of the times, the allies within the dome were not at full HP upon entering the dome. A lot of times the Titans put the dome down as a reaction tudden damage in a tight scenario. They start with less HP. They have no healing to fall back on and the constant damage will see it that their repair kits gets minimum value. And when the dome ends, they'll be weakened. 

 

It is very possible to brute force through the dome with Viking's Overdrive. It is not advised for it to use it on the dome unless necessary, because it is put under strict conditions. 

[cosmic666 1,055]

3 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

That is not a counter to the dome itself. 

 

That's why I specified Dictator by itself. And not always will they be fully charged upon receiving the Overdrive, neither is gathering teammates that are off doing their own goals unless it's a mode or map where they have to stick together. 

 

I have been killed many times by Viking Overdrives inside the dome. I have killed many players inside the dome with Viking's Overdrive I have killed people without the Overdrive because they were on low health and I persisted long enough to see them dead. Some turrets work better than others, for instance altered Railguns and Magnums offer the highest DPS.

 

Mk8 Magnums will deal on average ~70k damage during the Overdrive. That's 7k with the dome. That will kill a medium hull with DA if it doesn't use a repair kit and if they were at full HP at the beginning. A lot of the times, the allies within the dome were not at full HP upon entering the dome. A lot of times the Titans put the dome down as a reaction tudden damage in a tight scenario. They start with less HP. They have no healing to fall back on and the constant damage will see it that their repair kits gets minimum value. And when the dome ends, they'll be weakened. 

 

It is very possible to brute force through the dome with Viking's Overdrive. It is not advised for it to use it on the dome unless necessary, because it is put under strict conditions. 

Titans overdrive is a joke i stopped relying on it weeks ago, if i use titan it's because of it's higher HP nothing else.  

[wolverine848 13,097]

1 hour ago, cosmic666 said:

Titans overdrive is a joke i stopped relying on it weeks ago, if i use titan it's because of it's higher HP nothing else.  

I still use it - I like the health and stability.  But half the time I deploy the dome it seems to be just for countering a wasp bomb or another titan dome.

It's pretty sad  TO has treated Titan OD this way while murder-hornet OD remains untouched.

They really do play favorites.

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

8 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

It is very possible to brute force through the dome with Viking's Overdrive.

Only in certain conditions, but how often are those certain conditions attained? Not very often as I've seen.

8 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

It is not advised for it to use it on the dome unless necessary, because it is put under strict conditions.

And here, you're assuming that I use Viking OD on a domed up titan. Jokes on you, I don't use it on titan at all, even if it's the "only way to clear up the crowd there" which I doubt it is, hornet can easily knock them down and wasp can just bomb the whole place.

8 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

That is not a counter to the dome itself. 

A counter doesn't mean it has to destroy the tank.

 

For example, a wasp that has enemy flag and is being chased by enemies places a bomb down in hopes to stall the enemy advances for more time. Do you not think this is a counter?

Same thing with dictator OD against titan.

[wolverine848 13,097]

22 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

A counter doesn't mean it has to destroy the tank.

 

For example, a wasp that has enemy flag and is being chased by enemies places a bomb down in hopes to stall the enemy advances for more time. Do you not think this is a counter?

Same thing with dictator OD against titan.

It's not a counter to the dome (OD).  Titan and dome remain intact, and it's very unlikely the Titan is chasing the Dictator anyway - since it placed the stationary dome.

A counter either negates the OD, or destroys the tank, or both.

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

2 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

 

A counter either negates the OD, or destroys the tank, or both.

Well then in that case, thanks for proving my point that Viking OD is NOT a counter to titans dome.

[wolverine848 13,097]

1 minute ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Well then in that case, thanks for proving my point that Viking OD is NOT a counter to titans dome.

Well, Vikings can leave Titans with almost no health, or kill partially damaged Titans.   Rail LCR and magnum RGC deal so much damage so quickly they basically do counter the Titan dome - leaving the Titan helpless IF they actually survive the OD onslaught.

Dictator can't get close to that.

[TheCongoSpider 8,951]

2 hours ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Only in certain conditions, but how often are those certain conditions attained? Not very often as I've seen.

You've had this stance for a long time, so it's surprising that from since then until now, you still haven't seen that. 

 

Not sure about you at the moment, but my battles are predominantly filled with Vikings (Hornets are becoming a close 2nd). I see these scenarios often.

2 hours ago, DieselPlatinum said:

And here, you're assuming that I use Viking OD on a domed up titan. Jokes on you, I don't use it on titan at all, even if it's the "only way to clear up the crowd there" which I doubt it is, hornet can easily knock them down and wasp can just bomb the whole place.

I didn't assume anything about you.  I was talking about Vikings in general. Due to how slowly the Overdrive charges, it would be more beneficial to the Viking if it uses the Overdrive on enemies that are not protected by a dome. 

Hornet as it is will always be better than Viking at countering the dome Hornet completely ignores it is it's a hard counter. Viking simply piles lots of damage onto the players in the dome for 7 seconds. Viking is a

soft counter. 

2 hours ago, DieselPlatinum said:

For example, a wasp that has enemy flag and is being chased by enemies places a bomb down in hopes to stall the enemy advances for more time. Do you not think this is a counter?

A counter to what? 

2 hours ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Same thing with dictator OD against titan.

Dictator's OD does nothing to the dome. It freezes the Titan who will stay in the dome either way because it has protection.

 

[TheCongoSpider 8,951]

2 hours ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Well then in that case, thanks for proving my point that Viking OD is NOT a counter to titans dome.

Soft counter, as said above.

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

11 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

Soft counter, as said above.

There's no such thing as a "soft counter" it either counters it or it doesn't.

 

2 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

Well, Vikings can leave Titans with almost no health, or kill partially damaged Titans.   Rail LCR and magnum RGC deal so much damage so quickly they basically do counter the Titan dome - leaving the Titan helpless IF they actually survive the OD onslaught.

Dictator can't get close to that.

RGC magnum will just shoot right over the titan unless it gets right in its face or at such a far distance, not to mention that it's firing rate is so slow even with Viking OD.

Railgun with Viking OD needs it's firing rate to be nerfed since its the same as thunders firing rate but more damage.

The titan wouldn't be so "helpless" after surviving

Viking OD if they just used their repair after the berserk reactor OD has worn off.

30 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

1) You've had this stance for a long time, so it's surprising that from since then until now, you still haven't seen that. 

 

2) Not sure about you at the moment, but my battles are predominantly filled with Vikings (Hornets are becoming a close 2nd). I see these scenarios often.

1) um, because it's facts. There are so many things to consider like the titan using DA to counter the Vikings DD, and titan using defender drone to counter Vikings booster drone. Also the titan could have protection module equipped or a repair kit handy in case it needs it. And there are more, but those are the most basic examples.

2) scenarios of what? Battles being filled with Vikings?

[wolverine848 13,097]

28 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

RGC magnum will just shoot right over the titan unless it gets right in its face or at such a far distance, not to mention that it's firing rate is so slow even with Viking OD.

Railgun with Viking OD needs it's firing rate to be nerfed since its the same as thunders firing rate but more damage.

The titan wouldn't be so "helpless" after surviving

Viking OD if they just used their repair after the berserk reactor OD has worn off.

What are you talking about?  RGC can hit targets at point blank - they do it all the time.  Even easier on targets that have limited movement - like staying inside the dome. Reload is 2 seconds - harly slower than Rail.

Viking OD combined with high-damage turret can seriously threaten a Titan in the dome.  I call it a counter, even if you don't.  Much more of a counter than dictator, which can't scratch the Titan.

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1 hour ago, DieselPlatinum said:

There's no such thing as a "soft counter" it either counters it or it doesn't.

There are different degrees to which the dome is countered. You have the direct counters in the form of Hornet, Hunter, Wasp and Titan's Overdrive. 

Hornet ignores it.

Hunter deletes it. 

Wasp's bomb's damage ignores it.

Titans delete it. 

 

Then you have Mammoth and Viking. 

 

Mammoth ignores the dome's protection but the feat of getting to the dome with enough HP to actually do good damage is hard, made more so by them now being able to see whether or not the Mammoth has their Overdrive ready. The Mammoth has to sneak around to get value and is most often a suicide mission. 

 

Viking is the direct opposite of the dome. The dome decreases the damage taken. Viking increases the damage dealt. Those inherently counteract each other and are thus counters to each other. How much of a counter are they to each other? Titan counters Viking's Overdrive more than vice versa. One has the upper hand. It's the same with Dictator and Hunter. Dictator is the direct counter to Hunter's Overdrive. Hunter, however, has the upper hand in the engagement.

If the Dictator uses their Overdrive first, the Hunter can take away the supplies and stun it. If the Hunter uses their Overdrive first, then the Dictator will have to survive the 3 seconds that it is being stunned for and then now has to worry about how much value its repair kit will get because that Hunter is damaging it during those 3 seconds. When I use Dictator's Overdrive to counter Hunter's, it either ends with both of us dying or me winning with 30% HP. 

 

Both Viking and Mammoth counter the dome. How well they do this depends on the situation. It has many factors to it but the bottom line is, they, are, counters. 

1 hour ago, DieselPlatinum said:

RGC magnum will just shoot right over the titan unless it gets right in its face or at such a far distance, not to mention that it's firing rate is so slow even with Viking OD.

This would have probably been the case before the RGC change that decreased its fixed angle from 5° to 3°. Emphasis on probably, because Viking is the hull to choose if you don't want your shots going over the enemies' heads. I had alternated between Hornet, Hunter and Viking with RGC, and Viking had higher accuracy because it was lowest to the ground and did not rock excessively like Hunter and Hornet did. 

 

At the moment, RGC with VIking will likely hit all shots. And as for the firing rate, it shoots 14 projectiles at Mk8. That is 2 more than LCR. 

1 hour ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Railgun with Viking OD needs it's firing rate to be nerfed since its the same as thunders firing rate but more damage.

Then I guess nerf Striker's firing rate with Viking's Overdrive too since it deals the same damage as Thunder but shoots more projectiles than Thunder. And nerf Magnum's firing rate as well, right? 

 

This is what happens when you put every mechanic into the same function. Some will come out better than others because of the differing mechanics and parameters. 

1 hour ago, DieselPlatinum said:

The titan wouldn't be so "helpless" after survivingViking OD if they just used their repair after the berserk reactor OD has worn off.

The Titan will likely have supplies activated within the dome, and may be on cooldown when the dome ends. Opening them up to the DDs of anyone shooting at it. If you don't want to die, you use a repair kit in the dome to buy yourself some more time if you were on low HP. Doing so will put you at a great disadvantage when the dome ends. You are weakened. 

1 hour ago, DieselPlatinum said:

1) um, because it's facts. There are so many things to consider like the titan using DA to counter the Vikings DD, and titan using defender drone to counter Vikings booster drone. Also the titan could have protection module equipped or a repair kit handy in case it needs it. And there are more, but those are the most basic examples.

The boost that Viking's Overdrive gets with DD is more than what the Titan gets with DA inside the dome. A Viking OD with DD will do more damage to a Titan dome with DA than it would if no supplies were active. 

 

Our perspectives on this differ. I see it often, while you claim to not see it. I'm open to hearing your perspective on these things so I make sure to point out that the experiences that I experience happen to me. Because there is a lot of uncertainty and randomness in MM, I assume others will be more exposed to it. My battles are predominantly filled with Vikings, while for the longest while, @wolverine848's battles have been predominantly filled with Hornets. 

 

2 hours ago, DieselPlatinum said:

2) scenarios of what?

Of Viking Overdrives killing players inside of the dome.

 

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

4 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

1) What are you talking about?  RGC can hit targets at point blank - they do it all the time.  Even easier on targets that have limited movement - like staying inside the dome.

2) Reload is 2 seconds - harly slower than Rail.

3) I call it a counter, even if you don't.  

1) well, I notice that the RGC shots with Viking OD activated would shot over an enemy dictator even at around 30-40 metres on same elevation and the Viking being still.

2) guess magnum gets a massive firing rate increase somewhere after mk4. Because mk4 magnum could only get in like 6 shots before Viking OD wears off.

3) alright then. No point in arguing about this.

2 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

The boost that Viking's Overdrive gets with DD is more than what the Titan gets with DA inside the dome. A Viking OD with DD will do more damage to a Titan dome with DA than it would if no supplies were active. 

Lol, wut? This has to be some sick joke, right? How can having supplies activated be worse for your situation than without supplies?

That'd be like saying I went on a hiking trip but didn't bring anything with me thinking it would be better to leave it at home.

2 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

Then I guess nerf Striker's firing rate with Viking's Overdrive too since it deals the same damage as Thunder but shoots more projectiles than Thunder. And nerf Magnum's firing rate as well, right? 

 

This is what happens when you put every mechanic into the same function. Some will come out better than others because of the differing mechanics and parameters. 

Dude, why you being so defensive all of a sudden? I just said to nerf railgun firing rate with Viking OD because it fires just as fast as thunder but deals more damage, add LCR on rail and now it deals at least twice as much damage as thunder.

Striker and magnum both are two of the most skill based turrets in the game currently while railgun requires less skill to use than thunder. Last thing striker needs right now is a nerf of any kind while magnum needs to be reworked.

You know what, if you two want to believe that Viking is "a counter to titan", then fine, whatever makes you happy. Like I said, no point in arguing about it.

Edited June 30, 2020 by DieselPlatinum

[TheCongoSpider 8,951]

11 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

1) well, I notice that the RGC shots with Viking OD activated would shot over an enemy dictator even at around 30-40 metres on same elevation and the Viking being still.

Where exactly were they shooting at the DIctator? And was the Dictator in a Titan dome? 

11 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Lol, wut? This has to be some sick joke, right? How can having supplies activated be worse for your situation than without supplies?

That'd be like saying I went on a hiking trip but didn't bring anything with me thinking it would be better to leave it at home.

Suppose your turret deals 1,000 damage. You put it on VIking and you're going to shoot a Titan. You and the Titan activate your Overdrives. Your turret's damage will now be 2,000 and the Titan dome will only allow 10% of that damage. So you'd be doing 200 damage per shot. 

 

Now we introduce the supplies. Let's say the TItan uses DA. Then the damage the Viking does will be 100. 

 

Now we repeat it again, but this time, the Viking activates double damage. The Viking's turret will be dealing 3,000 damage. That's 300 with the dome alone. The dome + DA will make that 150 damage. 150>100 

 

When supplies DA and DD is introduced, the Viking deals more damage to the players in the dome than their DA reduces it. 

11 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Dude, why you being so defensive all of a sudden? I just said to nerf railgun firing rate with Viking OD because it fires just as fast as thunder but deals more damage, add LCR on rail and now it deals at least twice as much damage as thunder.

Striker and magnum both are two of the most skill based turrets in the game currently while railgun requires less skill to use than thunder. Last thing striker needs right now is a nerf of any kind while magnum needs to be reworked.

Striker and Magnum shoot more projectiles than Thunder. Striker deals the same damage as Thunder and Magnum's average damage is 2x Thunder's average damage. So the question is - why only Railgun, when Striker and Magnum follow the same thing Railgun does? All 3 of them are "point and shoot" during the Overdrive. 

 

You'd like to punish low-skill turrets when using Viking's Overdrive? Who will decide what is low-skill? WIll we use what HTML5 shows us? According to Tanki, Thunder is low-skill. If you're going by that system then the melee turrets would be punished because they require the least skill, according to Tanki.