What Is Your Opinion About the Current State of Tanki Online?

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

11 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

Soft counter, as said above.

There's no such thing as a "soft counter" it either counters it or it doesn't.

 

2 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

Well, Vikings can leave Titans with almost no health, or kill partially damaged Titans.   Rail LCR and magnum RGC deal so much damage so quickly they basically do counter the Titan dome - leaving the Titan helpless IF they actually survive the OD onslaught.

Dictator can't get close to that.

RGC magnum will just shoot right over the titan unless it gets right in its face or at such a far distance, not to mention that it's firing rate is so slow even with Viking OD.

Railgun with Viking OD needs it's firing rate to be nerfed since its the same as thunders firing rate but more damage.

The titan wouldn't be so "helpless" after surviving

Viking OD if they just used their repair after the berserk reactor OD has worn off.

30 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

1) You've had this stance for a long time, so it's surprising that from since then until now, you still haven't seen that. 

 

2) Not sure about you at the moment, but my battles are predominantly filled with Vikings (Hornets are becoming a close 2nd). I see these scenarios often.

1) um, because it's facts. There are so many things to consider like the titan using DA to counter the Vikings DD, and titan using defender drone to counter Vikings booster drone. Also the titan could have protection module equipped or a repair kit handy in case it needs it. And there are more, but those are the most basic examples.

2) scenarios of what? Battles being filled with Vikings?

[wolverine848 13,097]

28 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

RGC magnum will just shoot right over the titan unless it gets right in its face or at such a far distance, not to mention that it's firing rate is so slow even with Viking OD.

Railgun with Viking OD needs it's firing rate to be nerfed since its the same as thunders firing rate but more damage.

The titan wouldn't be so "helpless" after surviving

Viking OD if they just used their repair after the berserk reactor OD has worn off.

What are you talking about?  RGC can hit targets at point blank - they do it all the time.  Even easier on targets that have limited movement - like staying inside the dome. Reload is 2 seconds - harly slower than Rail.

Viking OD combined with high-damage turret can seriously threaten a Titan in the dome.  I call it a counter, even if you don't.  Much more of a counter than dictator, which can't scratch the Titan.

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

1 hour ago, DieselPlatinum said:

There's no such thing as a "soft counter" it either counters it or it doesn't.

There are different degrees to which the dome is countered. You have the direct counters in the form of Hornet, Hunter, Wasp and Titan's Overdrive. 

Hornet ignores it.

Hunter deletes it. 

Wasp's bomb's damage ignores it.

Titans delete it. 

 

Then you have Mammoth and Viking. 

 

Mammoth ignores the dome's protection but the feat of getting to the dome with enough HP to actually do good damage is hard, made more so by them now being able to see whether or not the Mammoth has their Overdrive ready. The Mammoth has to sneak around to get value and is most often a suicide mission. 

 

Viking is the direct opposite of the dome. The dome decreases the damage taken. Viking increases the damage dealt. Those inherently counteract each other and are thus counters to each other. How much of a counter are they to each other? Titan counters Viking's Overdrive more than vice versa. One has the upper hand. It's the same with Dictator and Hunter. Dictator is the direct counter to Hunter's Overdrive. Hunter, however, has the upper hand in the engagement.

If the Dictator uses their Overdrive first, the Hunter can take away the supplies and stun it. If the Hunter uses their Overdrive first, then the Dictator will have to survive the 3 seconds that it is being stunned for and then now has to worry about how much value its repair kit will get because that Hunter is damaging it during those 3 seconds. When I use Dictator's Overdrive to counter Hunter's, it either ends with both of us dying or me winning with 30% HP. 

 

Both Viking and Mammoth counter the dome. How well they do this depends on the situation. It has many factors to it but the bottom line is, they, are, counters. 

1 hour ago, DieselPlatinum said:

RGC magnum will just shoot right over the titan unless it gets right in its face or at such a far distance, not to mention that it's firing rate is so slow even with Viking OD.

This would have probably been the case before the RGC change that decreased its fixed angle from 5° to 3°. Emphasis on probably, because Viking is the hull to choose if you don't want your shots going over the enemies' heads. I had alternated between Hornet, Hunter and Viking with RGC, and Viking had higher accuracy because it was lowest to the ground and did not rock excessively like Hunter and Hornet did. 

 

At the moment, RGC with VIking will likely hit all shots. And as for the firing rate, it shoots 14 projectiles at Mk8. That is 2 more than LCR. 

1 hour ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Railgun with Viking OD needs it's firing rate to be nerfed since its the same as thunders firing rate but more damage.

Then I guess nerf Striker's firing rate with Viking's Overdrive too since it deals the same damage as Thunder but shoots more projectiles than Thunder. And nerf Magnum's firing rate as well, right? 

 

This is what happens when you put every mechanic into the same function. Some will come out better than others because of the differing mechanics and parameters. 

1 hour ago, DieselPlatinum said:

The titan wouldn't be so "helpless" after survivingViking OD if they just used their repair after the berserk reactor OD has worn off.

The Titan will likely have supplies activated within the dome, and may be on cooldown when the dome ends. Opening them up to the DDs of anyone shooting at it. If you don't want to die, you use a repair kit in the dome to buy yourself some more time if you were on low HP. Doing so will put you at a great disadvantage when the dome ends. You are weakened. 

1 hour ago, DieselPlatinum said:

1) um, because it's facts. There are so many things to consider like the titan using DA to counter the Vikings DD, and titan using defender drone to counter Vikings booster drone. Also the titan could have protection module equipped or a repair kit handy in case it needs it. And there are more, but those are the most basic examples.

The boost that Viking's Overdrive gets with DD is more than what the Titan gets with DA inside the dome. A Viking OD with DD will do more damage to a Titan dome with DA than it would if no supplies were active. 

 

Our perspectives on this differ. I see it often, while you claim to not see it. I'm open to hearing your perspective on these things so I make sure to point out that the experiences that I experience happen to me. Because there is a lot of uncertainty and randomness in MM, I assume others will be more exposed to it. My battles are predominantly filled with Vikings, while for the longest while, @wolverine848's battles have been predominantly filled with Hornets. 

 

2 hours ago, DieselPlatinum said:

2) scenarios of what?

Of Viking Overdrives killing players inside of the dome.

 

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

4 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

1) What are you talking about?  RGC can hit targets at point blank - they do it all the time.  Even easier on targets that have limited movement - like staying inside the dome.

2) Reload is 2 seconds - harly slower than Rail.

3) I call it a counter, even if you don't.  

1) well, I notice that the RGC shots with Viking OD activated would shot over an enemy dictator even at around 30-40 metres on same elevation and the Viking being still.

2) guess magnum gets a massive firing rate increase somewhere after mk4. Because mk4 magnum could only get in like 6 shots before Viking OD wears off.

3) alright then. No point in arguing about this.

2 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

The boost that Viking's Overdrive gets with DD is more than what the Titan gets with DA inside the dome. A Viking OD with DD will do more damage to a Titan dome with DA than it would if no supplies were active. 

Lol, wut? This has to be some sick joke, right? How can having supplies activated be worse for your situation than without supplies?

That'd be like saying I went on a hiking trip but didn't bring anything with me thinking it would be better to leave it at home.

2 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

Then I guess nerf Striker's firing rate with Viking's Overdrive too since it deals the same damage as Thunder but shoots more projectiles than Thunder. And nerf Magnum's firing rate as well, right? 

 

This is what happens when you put every mechanic into the same function. Some will come out better than others because of the differing mechanics and parameters. 

Dude, why you being so defensive all of a sudden? I just said to nerf railgun firing rate with Viking OD because it fires just as fast as thunder but deals more damage, add LCR on rail and now it deals at least twice as much damage as thunder.

Striker and magnum both are two of the most skill based turrets in the game currently while railgun requires less skill to use than thunder. Last thing striker needs right now is a nerf of any kind while magnum needs to be reworked.

You know what, if you two want to believe that Viking is "a counter to titan", then fine, whatever makes you happy. Like I said, no point in arguing about it.

Edited June 30, 2020 by DieselPlatinum

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

11 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

1) well, I notice that the RGC shots with Viking OD activated would shot over an enemy dictator even at around 30-40 metres on same elevation and the Viking being still.

Where exactly were they shooting at the DIctator? And was the Dictator in a Titan dome? 

11 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Lol, wut? This has to be some sick joke, right? How can having supplies activated be worse for your situation than without supplies?

That'd be like saying I went on a hiking trip but didn't bring anything with me thinking it would be better to leave it at home.

Suppose your turret deals 1,000 damage. You put it on VIking and you're going to shoot a Titan. You and the Titan activate your Overdrives. Your turret's damage will now be 2,000 and the Titan dome will only allow 10% of that damage. So you'd be doing 200 damage per shot. 

 

Now we introduce the supplies. Let's say the TItan uses DA. Then the damage the Viking does will be 100. 

 

Now we repeat it again, but this time, the Viking activates double damage. The Viking's turret will be dealing 3,000 damage. That's 300 with the dome alone. The dome + DA will make that 150 damage. 150>100 

 

When supplies DA and DD is introduced, the Viking deals more damage to the players in the dome than their DA reduces it. 

11 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Dude, why you being so defensive all of a sudden? I just said to nerf railgun firing rate with Viking OD because it fires just as fast as thunder but deals more damage, add LCR on rail and now it deals at least twice as much damage as thunder.

Striker and magnum both are two of the most skill based turrets in the game currently while railgun requires less skill to use than thunder. Last thing striker needs right now is a nerf of any kind while magnum needs to be reworked.

Striker and Magnum shoot more projectiles than Thunder. Striker deals the same damage as Thunder and Magnum's average damage is 2x Thunder's average damage. So the question is - why only Railgun, when Striker and Magnum follow the same thing Railgun does? All 3 of them are "point and shoot" during the Overdrive. 

 

You'd like to punish low-skill turrets when using Viking's Overdrive? Who will decide what is low-skill? WIll we use what HTML5 shows us? According to Tanki, Thunder is low-skill. If you're going by that system then the melee turrets would be punished because they require the least skill, according to Tanki. 

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

48 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

You know what, if you two want to believe that Viking is "a counter to titan", then fine, whatever makes you happy. Like I said, no point in arguing about it.

This seemed to boil down to you having a stricter definition of a counter than Wolverine and I. 

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

4 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

Where exactly were they shooting at the DIctator? And was the Dictator in a Titan dome? 

There was no titan dome present. Also it seemed like every time I use Viking OD with RGC from 30-50 metres from the target, the problem is that on flat maps like desert, the projectile seems to fly over even dictator. No it's nothing to do with how I'm using it. I'm using it just fine.

Could be a bug or glitch, Idk.

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4 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

Suppose your turret deals 1,000 damage. You put it on VIking and you're going to shoot a Titan. You and the Titan activate your Overdrives. Your turret's damage will now be 2,000 and the Titan dome will only allow 10% of that damage. So you'd be doing 200 damage per shot. 

 

Now we introduce the supplies. Let's say the TItan uses DA. Then the damage the Viking does will be 100. 

 

Now we repeat it again, but this time, the Viking activates double damage. The Viking's turret will be dealing 3,000 damage. That's 300 with the dome alone. The dome + DA will make that 150 damage. 150>100 

 

When supplies DA and DD is introduced, the Viking deals more damage to the players in the dome than their DA reduces it. 

 

Still not making any sense. Maybe this is yet another bug or glitch, because it shouldn't work like that.

4 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

Who will decide what is low-skill? WIll we use what HTML5 shows us?

Oh, that old thing. Bruh, I never use it because it's so biased. I have more accurate ways of determining what requires more or less skill than that.

[cosmic666 1,055]

On 6/26/2020 at 3:43 PM, wolverine848 said:

It's not situational.  

A magnum RGC can be used on small maps to great effect - still one-shotting hunters out of Hunter OD range.  That's what RGC is designed for - up close and personal. 

Hunter would lose that batle every time.

Same with Shaft-RFM.  My example above already described this - encounter up close and RFM is faster than Hunter OD.

I can count on 1 hand all the encounters i have had against HORNET /MAGNUM and come away with a kill,REGARDLESS of map size.I totally concur with you, it is not situational, all who think this way are clueless.  

[wolverine848 13,097]

4 hours ago, cosmic666 said:

I can count on 1 hand all the encounters i have had against HORNET /MAGNUM and come away with a kill,REGARDLESS of map size.I totally concur with you, it is not situational, all who think this way are clueless.  

They try to minimize it's effectiveness so it won't get a nerf.  SO transparent...

[cosmic666 1,055]

44 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

They try to minimize it's effectiveness so it won't get a nerf.  SO transparent...

So empty headed, devoid of all logic and reason when it comes to discussing that OP hull and why it should be considerably nerfed, or better still scrapped along with the rest of the overdrives. ANYWAYS  just demolished 2 of them rail / magnum on my dinky brigadier acc in a TDM. The poor wee bairns were perplexed why they couldn't kill me so easily, took their freeze with overdrive twice to do it. Its rare that i prevail over 1 of them never mind 2 so this screen is for all of us level headed, sensible non OTT hornet users, who get their way in battle far to often. I do believe i was among 1 of the lowest ranked players in battle, that made the win even sweeter against those HORNET freaks of tanki nature. I do hope they enjoy the rest of their day  i will as it's chill time, missions done back on the shelf until tomorrow. 

[cosmic666 1,055]

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Posted 12 hours ago (edited)

  17 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

1) What are you talking about?  RGC can hit targets at point blank - they do it all the time.  Even easier on targets that have limited movement - like staying inside the dome.

2) Reload is 2 seconds - harly slower than Rail.

3) I call it a counter, even if you don't.  

1) well, I notice that the RGC shots with Viking OD activated would shot over an enemy dictator even at around 30-40 metres on same elevation and the Viking being still.

2) guess magnum gets a massive firing rate increase somewhere after mk4. Because mk4 magnum could only get in like 6 shots before Viking OD wears off.

3) alright then. No point in arguing about this.

  15 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

The boost that Viking's Overdrive gets with DD is more than what the Titan gets with DA inside the dome. A Viking OD with DD will do more damage to a Titan dome with DA than it would if no supplies were active. 

Lol, wut? This has to be some sick joke, right? How can having supplies activated be worse for your situation than without supplies?

That'd be like saying I went on a hiking trip but didn't bring anything with me thinking it would be better to leave it at home.

  15 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

Then I guess nerf Striker's firing rate with Viking's Overdrive too since it deals the same damage as Thunder but shoots more projectiles than Thunder. And nerf Magnum's firing rate as well, right? 

 

This is what happens when you put every mechanic into the same function. Some will come out better than others because of the differing mechanics and parameters. 

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Dude, why you being so defensive all of a sudden? I just said to nerf railgun firing rate with Viking OD because it fires just as fast as thunder but deals more damage, add LCR on rail and now it deals at least twice as much damage as thunder.

Striker and magnum both are two of the most skill based turrets in the game currently while railgun requires less skill to use than thunder. Last thing striker needs right now is a nerf of any kind while magnum needs to be reworked.

You know what, if you two want to believe that Viking is "a counter to titan", then fine, whatever makes you happy. Like I said, no point in arguing about it.

Edited 12 hours ago by DieselPlatinum

Well i respect all 3 of you as experienced players who know what you are talking about,so with that said let's call it a draw. Did enjoy reading it though although my cuppa did go cold whilst doing so. 

[Gauss-Hornet 489]

4 minutes ago, cosmic666 said:

Lol, wut? This has to be some sick joke, right? How can having supplies activated be worse for your situation than without supplies?

That'd be like saying I went on a hiking trip but didn't bring anything with me thinking it would be better to leave it at home.

What @TheCongoSpider meant was that the situation of both Viking and Titan not having supplies activated is better for the Titan, than with both having them active; since "the Viking benefits more from DD than the Titan does from DA".

[wolverine848 13,097]

52 minutes ago, Gauss-Hornet said:

What @TheCongoSpider meant was that the situation of both Viking and Titan not having supplies activated is better for the Titan, than with both having them active; since "the Viking benefits more from DD than the Titan does from DA".

Read it again.

Or maybe you have a typo?

Edited June 30, 2020 by wolverine848

[cosmic666 1,055]

AHEM i did not say anything of the sort.

[Gauss-Hornet 489]

1 hour ago, wolverine848 said:

Read it again.

Or maybe you have a typo?

No I think what I wrote is correct.

Viking with DD vs Titan with DA is more favourable to the Viking than a no-supplies situation.

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

2 hours ago, Gauss-Hornet said:

What @TheCongoSpider meant was that the situation of both Viking and Titan not having supplies activated is better for the Titan, than with both having them active; since "the Viking benefits more from DD than the Titan does from DA".

Actually, @cosmic666 was trying to quote my post or something. Not sure what happened there, but, it was my post.

Also I finally understood what @TheCongoSpider was trying to say. Titans dome already protects the user from 90% of the damage, so it's kinda pointless to use DA since it'll only protect you from a couple hundred more points of damage. Vikings OD has a damage boost itself, add DD and there's another big boost.

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

12 minutes ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Titans dome already protects the user from 90% of the damage, so it's kinda pointless to use DA since it'll only protect you from a couple hundred more points of damage. Vikings OD has a damage boost itself, add DD and there's another big boost.

It's definitely not useless to do so. If you did not have DA activated but the Viking had DD activated, then their turret would be dealing 300 damage to you. DA would cut that to 150. 

You claimed that the boost from DA in the dome was more than the boost from DD with Viking's Overdrive. I was just showing you that it was the other way around. 

 

When multiple enemies are shooting you inside of the dome, it is best to use DA. If only a few or one enemy is shooting you and you have a comfortable amount of HP, then you can keep your DA for when the dome ends (if it is not on a smart cooldown).

 

[sharifsahaf 656]

8 minutes ago, At_Shin said:

Hey spider what's the deal with the firing rate parameter mentioned in the latest update? Twins reload has been decreased slightly right? Aslo, what about RFM shaft? Has it been nerfed or further buffed? 

RFM got both a nerf and a buff along with an indirect nerf (that will affect every version of shaft ,thanks dummies ) 

[D.A.R.K.N.E.S.S 432]

Hornet Fire Immunity in July Challenge I

Probably gonna be seeing armies of vulcan-hornet return for at least a short while after 

[E_polypterus 2,374]

3 minutes ago, sharifsahaf said:

that will affect every version of shaft ,thanks dummies

It said 50% cut in dmg? Is this like in raw damage? Like shaft m8 deals 3300 dmg, so will it deal half dmg??? That’s not fair

[wolverine848 13,097]

4 minutes ago, sharifsahaf said:

RFM got both a nerf and a buff along with an indirect nerf (that will affect every version of shaft ,thanks dummies ) 

Shaft’s «Rapid-fire mode» augment:
Increased maximum rate of fire from 270 ms to 375 ms.
Energy reload speed decrease is now 50% instead of 40%

 

Which part is the buff?  how is "rate of fire" measured in ms?   Sounds like reload- which would make it a nerf. Confusing wording (on purpose?)

[D.A.R.K.N.E.S.S 432]

7 minutes ago, sharifsahaf said:

RFM got both a nerf and a buff along with an indirect nerf (that will affect every version of shaft ,thanks dummies ) 

where's the buff? Maximum rate of fire got increased (takes longer to fire the 3 shots), and energy reload (after firing) also got increased (takes longer to reload), those are both negatives

1 minute ago, wolverine848 said:

Shaft’s «Rapid-fire mode» augment:
Increased maximum rate of fire from 270 ms to 375 ms.
Energy reload speed decrease is now 50% instead of 40%

 

Which part is the buff?  how is "rate of fire" measured in ms?   Sounds like reload- which would make it a nerf. Confusing wording (on purpose?)

see above

 

Edited June 30, 2020 by D.A.R.K.N.E.S.S

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

Once against, the devs did not make an announcement to discuss the recent balance changes. This most likely means, that they do not find balance changes to be important at all.

[wolverine848 13,097]

2 minutes ago, D.A.R.K.N.E.S.S said:

Maximum rate of fire got increased

it's an oxy-moron then.

Rate of fire means how fast a gun fires.  When you increase the rate of fire it should fire faster.

But they've added paramters for a relaod.  Every so-many ms you can fire again.  Raising that means it decreases the rate of fire.

Their choice of words is terrible.

[D.A.R.K.N.E.S.S 432]

1 minute ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Once against, the devs did not make an announcement to discuss the recent balance changes. This most likely means, that they do not find balance changes to be important at all.

the very quick nerf to shaft suggests that they do look at game balance - probably saw a massive spike in shaft/RFM usage - but I think they probably want to keep it more lowkey and away from the casual playerbase, hence they silently put patch notes in the forum without announcement. 

Don't get me started on hornet, we all know how much of a pain in the ass that thing is but doesn't look like anything's gonna be done about it. I've started using hornet more myself since if the devs arent gonna fix it, might as well abuse it.