event A newly-reforged Vulcan to rule them all

[NuG_X 5]

1 hour ago, AV-Gamers said:

New vulcan alteration is so amazing and the HTML5 effects

 

 

 

yes it is truely amazing but phfff ,, that cree]y price tag is way too high ,, 
or 
else 
please reply my prior message plz!! 

[natrolite 1,049]

I get where everyone is coming from. The fact that Tanki only used to give cosmetic items as a buyer-exclusive commodity and is now giving them an inherent advantage in terms of game play seems quite unfair. But if you look at the big picture, this seems like a gross overreaction. 

First of all, I know what pretty much everyone is thinking right now as they read this "Oh, he's a helper ergo he sides with the administration, pfft" and all I have to say is: No. I'm not speaking as a helper of the game, I am speaking as a player who has played this game for the better part of a decade. And thus, my viewpoint is entirely subjective to what I have seen and what I think, not what I am and who I am affiliated to. 

Now, lets get down to business. I have a few talking points that I will try to summarize in few comprehensible paragraphs.

1. Tanki is not alone

Tanki is by no means the first game to give away game-play advantages to the part of their community that are willing to open their wallets, and is by no means the biggest game to do so. Other popular MMO games like War Thunder and World of Tanks are both tank-based PC games that are far more guilty of the verdict when it comes to favoring their patrons. In fact, Tanki seems more of a saint in comparison. War Thunder, for instance, is a free-to-play WW2 simulator that is massively popular among the F2P community in Steam and other platforms. Yet, it sells whole product lines of exclusive items to their patrons that gives them a far more advantageous (in terms of game play) experience than their F2P counterparts. They offer entire tanks that can only be purchased via real life currency while our game merely offers an alteration for a rarely-used turret.

2. Who will be affected?

Take a deep breath, keep and open mind and think. Who will get affected by this? And to what extent? How many people you know are willing to spend 100$ to get a skin and an alteration? You'd be lucky to even spot one in your games. Let's say there are two people in the battle with this alteration, 12.5% of the battle that don't necessarily have a more powerful alteration than others, they just have an alteration that others can't obtain (unless they pay for it). Now, if you're anywhere older than 8 years old, you should know that 87.5% is more than 12.5% and thus the effect will hardly make a difference. Not to mention that playing with Vulcan in the first place is a challenge in and of itself, and performing well, not just with this alteration, but in general is going to be a lot more troublesome that it may seem.

3. It's an alteration, not the Messiah

A key part to having a constructive debate is to realize what we're debating. Most of the replies on this topic are debating whether Tanki has fully gone to the dark side and straight up gave buyers an unruly weapon of mass destruction to use to flatten every F2P player they encounter. Sounds a bit silly when you say it like that, no?

The correct argument to be made is "Why would they get an alteration that we cannot obtain through regular grinding?" and we'll get to this question later on. But for now, let's focus on the issue at hand. It won't be an overstatement to say that alterations changed the landscape of turrets and who>who, some turrets are meh without their alts, and some are better off when played without them. But all-and-all, each turret has their unique element which makes for a diverse and enjoyable gaming experience. However, it is, after all, an alteration. It alters the way the turret operates without compromising its basic uniqueness which defines the turret itself. Vulcan with this new alteration is just a more bouncy Vulcan, and understanding that is very important. If Tanki, let's say, made the new floating hull "Ares" a buyer-only item, then you could go on about ranting how the Devs turned to the dark side 

4. Tanki is not just a game, it's a business

One thing that usually gets overlooked when updates like this roll out is that Tanki doesn't favor its patrons more because they're evil, greedy or "want to ruin this game", they favor them because that's how they get food on their tables. People seem to forget that the developers, CMs, programmers, designers, and various other staff currently employed at Tanki HQ aren't volunteers, they're employees trying to make a living for themselves and their families. And Tanki has to provide for those people otherwise there will be no game in the first place. And the only way Tanki can do this is through in-game purchases made by players. These 'buyers' are what keeps this running. And with that in mind, it's only natural TO would want these players to have a memorable and enjoyable experience playing this game. That is why they offer exclusive skins, color shots, paints, and now, alterations. 99% of games do this.

In closure...

I understand where a lot of people are coming from. They are frustrated and feel a sort of betrayal happening to the game they love. But when you think about the negligible effect this alteration will have, the balance-updates soon to come and the hard work everyone is doing to make sure this game stays a fun experience for all those willing to stay by its side, everything will balance out and sit in a neat, colorful and delightful game that we've all come to know and love.  

Edited February 22, 2020 by classic-style-hiphop

[Viking4s 10,791]

2 hours ago, AV-Gamers said:

New vulcan alteration is so amazing and the HTML5 effects 

Glow in the dark is awesome, other visual effects are too. However infinite ricochet is out of control, it would make sens to limit the distance of action, or the number of ricochet and/or diminish its damage per distance and after each ricochet. You could not keep the initial kinetic energy after so many ricochet. Currently this is surpassing any other equipment power of destruction and reach. 
 

[Shwax 64]

Most people don't even know how to use ricochet well, you think ricocheting Vulcan pellets are going to be a problem?

[Bydo 20,120]

32 minutes ago, Dark.Angel said:

Most people don't even know how to use ricochet well, you think ricocheting Vulcan pellets are going to be a problem?

the main issue with it is , it don't work all the time. I'm a ricochet person and and find on my battles yesterday using the Vulcan it did not work all the time. it mainly depended on where you hit the wall or items. when it did it just gave the same damage amount as if not hitting items. where as Ricochet when  bouncing off items it inflicts double damage to enemy's.

[sezze100 416]

6 hours ago, NuG_X said:

hii guys,
now ,
Vulcan is not for everyone, 
as it is specficly built for team battles ,, where it can't do solo , and needs isida player for healling then Vulcan is fearsome like.

please note that Vulcan player will never be top players in scores as it has its draws 
am an Vulcan player with over  2 millons expenriences and i know all how to use that beast effectively and how to destroy it effectivelly !!!,,, 

 

Near 2.5 million exp on Vulcan here . I finish in the top of my team most of the time , without isida at my back . DM it isnt the best yes , i agree , since it does take a while to kill other person and many time somebody else gets the kill while you only weakened it . In team games you earn points also for weakening the enemy .

I do agree on the outragious price they are asking  . Yesterday so far , i cannot imagine i saw 1 of the new in action yet . I do not mean the alt , just in general , i did see vulcans , but not seemed to have red bullets , special bouncing alt , nor any special skin besides the ones who were around before yesterday . I do not mind that theres money items around , Tanki needs sponsors , totally understood . However 99$ / 90 euro , thats way... way ..over the top .

[123tim456back 195]

3 hours ago, classic-style-hiphop said:

 

I can understand why this change was added, as it is a business.  I also believe everyone's concern lies not in the fact that the alteration is exclusive, but what will happen if Tank continues down this path.  Almost certainly, some future alterations will become exclusive.  Although I strongly doubt this, it could lead to turrets or hulls becoming exclusive, and that would become quite a big issue.  

[Shwax 64]

43 minutes ago, Bydo said:

where as Ricochet when  bouncing off items it inflicts double damage to enemy's.

wait wha....? im pretty sure it doesn't.

[Dhikr 132]

4 hours ago, Marcus said:

Sorry but it looks like you missed the part that says that "vanilla" vulcan and other alterations were remastered. 

All I discovered was that vulcan struggles long range and is better in close proximity, the damage was increased and that the alterations remained relatively the same. When I said "pulling a fast one", I was refering to the fact that you can only purhase this alteration. Vulcan will still not be used as much, maybe somewhat more, but just wait a few days for the hype to die down. Although buying the alt doesn't give you a P2W 100% advantageous win rate, that is the same case for are alts. Alterations are meant to spice up your gameplay and should be offered to all players. I'm just hoping it's released to all players soon...

[Dhikr 132]

13 minutes ago, 123tim456back said:

I can understand why this change was added, as it is a business.  I also believe everyone's concern lies not in the fact that the alteration is exclusive, but what will happen if Tank continues down this path.  Almost certainly, some future alterations will become exclusive.  Although I strongly doubt this, it could lead to turrets or hulls becoming exclusive, and that would become quite a big issue.  

Yeah, it always starts with one and leads to another and another till it becomes the norm.

[Bydo 20,120]

36 minutes ago, Dark.Angel said:

wait wha....? im pretty sure it doesn't.

I know in the past it did. right now I don't see any info in wiki to say other wise .. we need info on if this still is happening or what ?

[NuG_X 5]

23 hours ago, classic-style-hiphop said:

 

In closure...

I understand where a lot of people are coming from. They are frustrated and feel a sort of betrayal happening to the game they love. But when you think about the negligible effect this alteration will have, the balance-updates soon to come and the hard work everyone is doing to make sure this game stays a fun experience for all those willing to stay by its side, everything will balance out and sit in a neat, colorful and delightful game that we've all come to know and love.  

i just wanna say something, 
is tanki online can be compared with world of tanks ???
as am really pissed off with tanki onlne, 
lets say am wrong: now 99,9 dollors for an item ???  say how much sales have you done yet !!

now for world of tanks 
i will more happier to invest in WOT than TO 

AND YES it is costly but they dont lie and give what you pay for ,,, 
 

Edited February 23, 2020 by NuG_X

[lssimo 1,559]

4 hours ago, NuG_X said:

i just wanna say something, 
is tanki online can be compared with world of tanks ???
as am really pissed off with tanki onlne, 
lets say am wrong: now 99,9 dollors for an item ???  say how much sales have you done yet !!

now for world of tanks 
i will more happier to invest in WOT than TO 

AND YES it is costly but they dont lie and give what you pay for ,,, 
 

They ruined the game and players are leaving, so the obvious thing to do is to fix the game to attract more players, and that's what they are not doing.

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Ha ha, left another battle.

Edited February 23, 2020 by lssimo

[NuG_X 5]

23 hours ago, classic-style-hiphop said:

 

2. Who will be affected?

Take a deep breath, keep and open mind and think. Who will get affected by this? And to what extent? How many people you know are willing to spend 100$ to get a skin and an alteration? You'

In closure...

I understand where a lot of people are coming from. They are frustrated and feel a sort of betrayal happening to the game they love. But when you think about the negligible effect this alteration will have, the balance-updates soon to come and the hard work everyone is doing to make sure this game stays a fun experience for all those willing to stay by its side, everything will balance out and sit in a neat, colorful and delightful game that we've all come to know and love.  

i understand you mate and i feel the same ,,  
please do remember that no body is rich by default, as they always lacks and lags on their journey ! 
 

my only anger and advice is to bring down the price so that everone/or most players  can enjoy it 

when you bring down the price more people will tempt to buy it either to use or luxury item at an fair price $50 !!
even i am interested to invest that amount . . .  as it do worth  for that price.. or any more items ... 
 

vulcan is one of my darlings  
yes i saw many uses try to use it but they totally sucks at legend ranks XD

 

hmmmm 
just wondering when will we have live talks with our best community manager in youtube ,,, ??? i think it has been ages now since we last saw him 

[Marcus 17,296]

9 hours ago, NuG_X said:

lets say am wrong: now 99,9 dollors for an item ???  say how much sales have you done yet !!
 

For 3 unique items. That's different/

[NuG_X 5]

Roger This  mate.
but /and 
I really want Cedric or even yourself ,, please do live talks on YouTube  
and not to forget please invite me as I got loads of questions for guys 

thank you ,, love you more that ever 

[sunhawk 99]

Well, I really want that Red shot effect (on an alt.) But I don't want the Ultra skin or the alteration. So...too bad for me. I'd be willing to pay maybe $25 for the shot effect, if I really had to, but....

[123tim456back 195]

Ever since the new update, Vulcan has been loud enough to block the sounds of everything else.  Lower the volume.  

[Maf 32,300]

2 hours ago, 123tim456back said:

Ever since the new update, Vulcan has been loud enough to block the sounds of everything else.  Lower the volume.  

Topic merged

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

 

[123tim456back 195]

9 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

 

This person is a legend.

[Hall_of_Famer 2,124]

There were 5 vulcans in enemy team 6 vs 8. Free players i.e skill do exists in tanki.

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

From observing a teammate who was being heated by an enemy Incendiary Band Vulcan, he seemed to have reached maximum temperature after ~2 seconds of direct exposure. 

 

It seems like Incendiary Band is back to its former glory, being able to deal full damage after overheating an all, as well as an increased heating rate. Although, the heating rate for each projectile must be higher than is stated in the Patch Notes. If each projectile heated a target for 0.07% of maximum temperature, then the target would only be heated for 14% of maximum temperature resulting in 1 tick of afterburn damage (2 at most). But I was heated by an Incendiary Band Vulcan for one second and suffered 8 afterburn ticks. 

If anything, it feels like 0.7% of maximum temperature for each projectile rather than 0.07%. 

[DestrotankAI9 1,513]

On 2/22/2020 at 6:53 AM, Marcus said:

Hey

I totally understand what you feel about this update. But let's check what numbers say.

 

How many battles did you play yesterday? Because according to what I see, this update had no effect on how many crystals and stars you were earning before the update and how many you earn after the update. So, did this update really affect your game experience? 

Thanks for the reply @Marcus . Also good post @classic-style-hiphop  Many valid points indeed. @Marcus indeed I have been affected little by the new alteration, as I don't have a Legend account I have yet to encounter anyone using it, but even if I was I doubt it would have much impact. However, it is the precedent of buyer - exclusive items that people are concerned about, as if you're going to release one buyer-only alteration it seems likely more will follow, and where will it end. Buyer-only drones too? I'll bet some are already in the works.

Sorry if my initial post was too harsh - but I have reasons for saying what I did. Having thought about it, I realise there can be only one reason that Tanki is now releasing buyer-only items: Tanki Online's income has reached a low point and devs are trying to find new ways to generate income - there is no other rational explanation as to why they would do this. I understand the game relies on buyers to keep going, and also you guys depend on this as your job etc, so it's a sad day that we have to have buyer-only items, but having the game alive is better than not I guess.

However, even from an economic standpoint I can see issues with this new content model for TO, and I'll explain why. To clarify - I am speaking here on the basis that there will be more buyer-only items including alterations, and possibly other things in the future - not this specific alteration.

1) Game Balance.

How are you going to balance these new buyer items? Lets say that the buyer-only alteration is OP, are you going to nerf it? Or leave it OP? If you nerf it, as everyone who has it paid a substantial amount of money for it, they will feel deceived - and rightly so. They may be reluctant to ever buy an item like this again. But then if you leave it OP without nerfing, you will have to leave an OP alt/drone/item in the game, and this will destroy the game balance.

If it is not powerful enough to be competitive, you'll have to buff it or few people will bother buying it.

So now we risk having a 2 - tier equipment model in the game: We have the "buyer-only" alts/drones/items which must be powerful and can't be nerfed, and the items that everyone else can have which can be nerfed at any time (as we know nerfs in Tanki can be dramatic, taking items from powerful to useless - see Uranium Striker for instance).

2) Frustrating low-end buyers and non-buyers

These new items may make Tanki some money in the short-term, but what about the long-term consequences? Many players have played the game on the basis that everyone can have every item that affects gameplay, for many years, and suddenly that is changing. This could frustrate many non-buyers or low-end buyers who cannot buy this new expensive items and they may leave the game.

Less players = longer queue times = buyers leave = Tanki dies, potentially.

Or maybe there will still be enough new content, or the new alterations/items will not be too powerful, and players will stay - and everything will be fine. It remains to be seen.

3) Not all gameplay content available to all players

In the past all gameplay content was available to every player - now you are going to be developing some stuff potentially that only big-buyers can access. We haven't had a new alteration in a while and now there is one, but it's only for high-end buyers. If there is less new content for all players this may again lead to people being bored and leaving the game. Perhaps not, but remains to be seen.

All in all, if you choose to go down the buyer-only items route it remains to be seen what effect it will have on the game. Personally I think the risks are such that the developers should just stick to buyers having early access to content and exclusive cosmetic items only for as long as possible, but only the devs know Tanki's financials numbers and it's your game - so your choice. But I've given my thoughts anyway.


 

[The_Pakistani 16,768]

how much protection required to save butts from vulcan? 100000? 10000000? or 999999999?