Alterations for Hulls

[Nicola_M 173]

Good luck with that.

How do you intend to let departed players know you've fixed the issues they told you shouldn't have been implemented in the first place?

Will that be by email, or should we expect a letter in the post?

[HappyFace 63]

Where are the hull alterations hello?!?!

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

Well this guy is already stacked. 

 

[HappyFace 63]

Fire /w compact tanks is even more stupid now that modules don't protect against burn damage

[chiragdon 164]

ahh this game..................

Like really  this is the last time you can buy alterations with only crystals..... Did you even thought   about non buyers and how will  they be able to buy alterations after this update if they are non buyers . Like this game is 0 for non buyers like literately they will have to play mm with buyers who has many alt but non buyers won't be able to buy which means they just have to play like noob against buyers... 

GG TO THE NON BUYERS

[DaringDeer 656]

Some results of buying these containers.  

• I opened 75 and received 2 hull alterations (fire immunity and stun immunity)
• 1 friend opened about 200 and received 3 hull alterations.
• 1 friend opened about 175 and received all 8 hull alterations and hunter prime skin.
• 1 friend opened 75 and received 1 hull alteration.

All hull alterations were received when opening 15 containers at a time.  The hunter prime skin was received when opening 5 containers at a time.

We did some testing...

• Fire immunity is ridiculous.  I can fire vulcan incendiary band non-stop entire game without taking damage.
• Cold immunity takes no effects from shock freeze though cold resistance is still heavily affected.
• EMP immunity is much better than stun immunity in practice, especially if you are using something like defender drone.  EMP immunity works against gauss EMP as well but you do get stunned from hunter OD and will drop ball/flag.  With stun immunity, gauss EMP and hunter OD will take drugs, but you are not stunned and you will not drop ball/flag.
• The weight adjustments seem to be approximately 50% and 200% weight/power adjustments.  Hunter with Heavyweight construction vs 2 normal hunters pushing together is equal.  The weight adjustments don't affect speed of hull.  With Lightweight construction the hunter flies like a wasp.
• Juggernaut's built in resistance to fire/freeze seem equivalent to fire resistance and cold resistance alterations.

[distroeryXXX 33]

2 hours ago, Marcus said:

Hey

 

I understand how it looks like BUT this is not the reason why we made hull alterations. This update brought a new way of customizing your tank and this is the reason why we released it.

 

Firebird and Freeze protection modules didn't work in the way how protection modules should work. Protection modules should protect you from turrets' damage. Thus, this update fixed wrong behaviour of these modules.

They worked as intended WYS man, firebird module protected from direct damage, afterburn lenght and damage. Same with freeze module, tank iced way slower, recieved less damage and unfreezed way faster.

[wolverine848 13,097]

2 hours ago, Marcus said:

Firebird and Freeze protection modules didn't work in the way how protection modules should work. Protection modules should protect you from turrets' damage. Thus, this update fixed wrong behaviour of these modules.

This is crap.

A lot of stock firebird damage came from afterburn.  Are you suggesting we should never have been able to protect ourselves from that.  That most turrets can be protected by 50% max ... but not firebird?

Same with any of the incendiary alts for non-firebirds.  Why would I use stock smoky - where targets get 50% DR?  But against incendiary alt - they take a lot of unprotected burning damage.

What is anyone who are not lucky enough to get a hull alt supposed to do?  JUst burn?

[P_O_T_A_T_O 147]

On 4/23/2020 at 4:05 PM, gio_the_killer said:

Are those alterations tankoins only, or can be bought with crystals?

 

On 4/23/2020 at 4:08 PM, RaKaZa said:

and the question of the day: will those new alterations be added to the garage

 

On 4/23/2020 at 4:39 PM, Person_Random said:

guess who's wasting their crystals tomorrow....

 

yea, me

 

 

On 4/23/2020 at 4:43 PM, fghjkl54 said:

What is this question it will be avaible in garage

 

Meanwhile In Alternativa headquarters: 

Edited April 25, 2020 by P_O_T_A_T_O

[Only_Shaft_Mammoth 2]

Dumbest idea of 2020 in tanki right here.

"Hull alts only in conts"

Rip Non buyers-

Buyers are going to have the hugest advantage against almost everyone

talk about "balance"

What would make sense is if you could only buy one alt per Hull. (The one you purchase is the one you keep and the rest go away for that hull"

Ok I would be happy with that idea

But alts in conts, Wow tanki good job

 

[Marcus 17,296]

10 hours ago, distroeryXXX said:

They worked as intended WYS man, firebird module protected from direct damage, afterburn lenght and damage. Same with freeze module, tank iced way slower, recieved less damage and unfreezed way faster.

While other modules only protected you only from direct damage. 

[Marcus 17,296]

What I don't understand is that it's only 1 day after the update but many of you guys already say that this update broke the game balance... How many hours have you played after the update? Have you played with any turrets except Freeze and Firebird?

[distroeryXXX 33]

19 minutes ago, Marcus said:

While other modules only protected you only from direct damage. 

No lol?  Thunder module protects from splash and direct damage, same with magnum gauss and all other splash turrets.
Rail module protects vs direct damage and penetrated damage, same with shaft.
Also I asked tanki help if turret alts are staying in garage, they just said "turret alts stay availible for purchase."
What is that suppose to mean. Purchase for $$ or crystals.

Edited April 25, 2020 by distroeryXXX

[Eithern 412]

Lol i reverted back to my flash client because the html5 one has so much lag...

[Viking4s 10,791]

How can they be useful if nobody can get them? And one they get one what are the odd to be the right one? Pretty useful for parkour, ok, what are the odd for a parkourist to actually get the one for the hull he has?    There is a big flaw here. 
Why not being able to buy them with crystals or coins?

Firebird and freeze, man the battlefield is hell, once you get burnt you are good as dead. I stupidly tried to use repair kit with firebird, but to no avail. While freez once you get caught you know you are sitting duck and wait to die. Before we could survive an encounter with both of them if you had protection module. TBH I don't even wear them as the outcome is the same.

I don't know if this qualify to "broke the game", but it does have a huge impact n the game-play. It is not subtle changes.

There is a certain logic here of what is a good game balance similar to the stock mastery update that made M2+ into MK7 (a gift to buyers, and a small reward to a few F2P who managed to spend crystals with the right strategy).

Edited April 25, 2020 by Viking4s

[tanks48 34]

I have faced off against 1 Fire Immunity player, my Firebird had massive trouble killing them.

A MK7 20/20 Hornet + MK7 17/20 Firebird against a MK5-6 Freeze + MK5-6 Hornet + at max 25% protections, pretty much loses against as Freeze has more actual damage. I do enjoy having spend alot of time upgrading it to only have it be useless against 'lucky' players now. Totally balanced.

[EthnoPhylaX 26]

Tanki is a business with employees, paying rent for their offices, paying servers and taxes to the state.

As a business, they try to figure out ways to increase profits. So, managers, administrators and developers are trying to find ways to increase profits and on the same time, justify their salary. In this respect, changes are made to the game to enhance sales and you come to see items being sold in the shop for €90, as was the case for Gauss alterations. BUT, note that if you see a price that high it only means  that there are people who are  willing and able to pay   for it.

So, now it comes down to us, the players and sometimes the customers (if/when we buy from the shop). This  game is does not  belong to us if we don't like it we move on to another game.

To put it more simply Tanki is telling us: "It's my way or the highway" because it is them who have put all the effort and funds to develop the game.

And to answer an imminent question: Do I like the recent changes? Definetely not!!!

[Chemistry 28]

How will alterations work for Ares, does a lightweight alt mean that it can just fly 10m above the ground at all times lol

& a heavy alt meaning you're rooted to the ground.. 

[featwasath 267]

3 hours ago, Marcus said:

What I don't understand is that it's only 1 day after the update but many of you guys already say that this update broke the game balance... How many hours have you played after the update? Have you played with any turrets except Freeze and Firebird?

I understand that new alterations can only be obtained from ultra-containers, for the sake of game balance. But, why don't let players buy that weight reducing/increasing alterations for crystals.? They're being used in parkour only & has no advantages in real game play 

[2shots2kills 2,366]

27 minutes ago, featwasath said:

I understand that new alterations can only be obtained from ultra-containers, for the sake of game balance.

You guys make it too easy for the Devs to get away with stuff like this.

[Viking4s 10,791]

[info] Wiki is updated with the new alterations: https://en.tankiwiki.com/Alterations#Alterations_for_Hunter

Heat Immunity 

Cold Immunity 

EMP Immunity 

Stun Immunity 

Heat Resistance 

Cold Resistance 

Lightweight Construction 

Heavyweight Construction 

 

Edited April 25, 2020 by Viking4s

[featwasath 267]

16 minutes ago, 2shots2kills said:

You guys make it too easy for the Devs to get away with stuff like this.

 

What's the matter.? Since they're available only in ultra-containers, only few players can obtain them. So, it doesn't affect negatively to game balance. 

This is like opening a container & obtaining 300k crystals or an animated paint, because all of them are under same legendary category. Check this Wiki article. How many times have you received a legendary item from containers.? The chances are very low. Even if a buyer opens a lot of ultra-containers, he/she most likely not find any hull alteration in them. 

Anyways, developers are going to replace current containers with ultra-containers, so anyone have the chance of getting them. It's true that there's a difference between the chances that a non-buyer obtaining hull alterations are lesser than that of a buyer, because a buyer can have any number of ultra-containers, but that's how any online game works. This is a business, not a charity organization. Alternativa needs to make money, so buyers definitely should have a bit advantage over non-buyers. 

[2shots2kills 2,366]

10 minutes ago, featwasath said:

What's the matter.? Since they're available only in ultra-containers, only few players can obtain them. So, it doesn't affect negatively to game balance. 

This is like opening a container & obtaining 300k crystals or an animated paint, because all of them are under same legendary category. Check this Wiki article. How many times have you received a legendary item from containers.? The chances are very low. Even if a buyer opens a lot of ultra-containers, he/she most likely not find any hull alteration in them. 

Anyways, developers are going to replace current containers with ultra-containers, so anyone have the chance of getting them. It's true that there's a difference between the chances that a non-buyer obtaining hull alterations are lesser than that of a buyer, because a buyer can have any number of ultra-containers, but that's how any online game works. This is a business, not a charity organization. Alternativa needs to make money, so buyers definitely should have a bit advantage over non-buyers. 

I won't go over a long explanation on how locking gameplay-changing equipment behind a paywall is absurd.

 

Just know that this change is not made for game balance. The only reason behind all this is to make players spend more cash in containers trying to find what they need inside an infinite pool of paints and filler stuff.

 

Also, I hope you understood that ALL turret AND hull alterations will be moved in containers. Go read the latest V-Log topic, there is not a single positive comment about all this.

 

On a closing note: every organization needs to make money, but they are smart about it, keeping the community somewhat ok with it. Here, on the other hand, it's the exact opposite... we are getting closer and closer to a pathetic cash grab.

[Nicola_M 173]

36 minutes ago, At_Shin said:

They have not given stats for the effects hunter alterations cause... i hope they do that soon,.

it's been over a month and they still haven't given stats for Gauss's EMP alt either.  I don't think giving stats is their thing anymore..

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

6 minutes ago, Nicola_M said:

it's been over a month and they still haven't given stats for Gauss's EMP alt either.  I don't think giving stats is their thing anymore..

It has been released since the 3rd.