Alterations for Hulls

[Nicola_M 173]

20 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

It has been released since the 3rd.

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Edited April 25, 2020 by Nicola_M

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

2 minutes ago, Nicola_M said:

Really?  Not seeing those figures on either the Gauss wiki page, or the Alterations wiki page.

I can only see Wolverine's comment about the figures, but nowhere to actually find them.

This is half the problem - they should be on the turret or alt page at least.

[Nicola_M 173]

Thanks, I saw that.  Maybe I was looking for more explicit figures.

[Nicola_M 173]

1 hour ago, 2shots2kills said:

Here, on the other hand, it's the exact opposite... we are getting closer and closer to a pathetic cash grab.

Eventually it'll be... buy container, open container, get this.

 

 

Get three "Plays" in a row and you get to leave the Lobby and actually take part in a battle.

[wolverine848 13,097]

5 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

And they buffed arcade shot as well?   LOL

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

3 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

And they buffed arcade shot as well?   LOL

It was always like that. The only thing that changed recently was the supply cooldown time. 

 

Don't worry too much though, Thunder's projectile is still faster than it. 

[wolverine848 13,097]

2 minutes ago, At_Shin said:

more than buffed, they removed splash on arcade shot showing it as if it is a negative effect. Tell me, when was the time when you actually hurt more than 1 enemy with Gauss's arcade splash damage? It is actually a buff, not a nerf.

Yeah - you actually had to buy an alteration to get that removed from Thunder.  This game is gonna die.  Never really thought that before - but - between ridiculous changes they make and the arrogant mods posting here - stick a fork in it.

[Nicola_M 173]

13 minutes ago, At_Shin said:

more than buffed, they removed splash on arcade shot showing it as if it is a negative effect. Tell me, when was the time when you actually hurt more than 1 enemy with Gauss's arcade splash damage? It is actually a buff, not a nerf.

I don't think so.  When they sold it on 20th March it did say:

"Replaces the standard explosive projectile with an EMP projectile that deactivates any active supplies of enemy tanks hit by the electromagnetic salvo. The projectile loses its splash damage effect in normal shooting mode, and damage is reduced while using the electromagnetic accelerator. However, the projectile travels at a higher speed and recharges much faster."

 

So it's not a nerf or a buff, it was sold like that from the start.

 

Where I find it ambiguous is the last sentence about the projectile travelling at a higher speed, which only now applies to the Arcade shot.

Edited April 25, 2020 by Nicola_M

[featwasath 267]

1 hour ago, 2shots2kills said:

I won't go over a long explanation on how locking gameplay-changing equipment behind a paywall is absurd.

 

Just know that this change is not made for game balance. The only reason behind all this is to make players spend more cash in containers trying to find what they need inside an infinite pool of paints and filler stuff.

 

Also, I hope you understood that ALL turret AND hull alterations will be moved in containers. Go read the latest V-Log topic, there is not a single positive comment about all this.

 

On a closing note: every organization needs to make money, but they are smart about it, keeping the community somewhat ok with it. Here, on the other hand, it's the exact opposite... we are getting closer and closer to a pathetic cash grab.

I partially agree. While it's true that this is for money making, I kinda think it's nice to have those hull alterations. But I believe that that weight reducing/increasing ones should be available to purchase for a low amount of crystals as they're only useful in parkour 

Me too completely against moving turret alterations to containers, but since this was a post about hull alterations, I didn't point it out

LOL, yeah. But the community is kinda overacting on hull alterations

[wolverine848 13,097]

49 minutes ago, featwasath said:

I partially agree. While it's true that this is for money making, I kinda think it's nice to have those hull alterations. But I believe that that weight reducing/increasing ones should be available to purchase for a low amount of crystals as they're only useful in parkour 

They should ALL be available in the garage - just like turret alts were.  But then again - turret alts came with a downside.  Do we even know if there is a down-side for hull alts.  And don't forget they nerfed our modules too.

It's pure cash-grab, on game-changing items.

[featwasath 267]

9 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

They should ALL be available in the garage - just like turret alts were.  But then again - turret alts came with a downside.  Do we even know if there is a down-side for hull alts.  And don't forget they nerfed our modules too.

It's pure cash-grab, on game-changing items.

The down side for hull alterations is they being very rare. So, there can be very few players with those hull alterations, but they're too less in numbers to actually be OP. How many of them did you see in battles.? If they become available in garage of shop, many players will buy them, making fire & freeze useless. Developers cannot buff these 2 turrets as it'll affect badly for the players who don't have these alterations. That's why I fully support the idea of fire/freeze protective hull alterations be container exclusive. But I think it's better if they never added them 

[wolverine848 13,097]

3 hours ago, featwasath said:

So, there can be very few players with those hull alterations,

This just increases the gap between buyers and non-buyers.

And because of this change our modules are getting nerfed.  Average Joe has no way to defend against Freeze or fire with compact tanks.

[Reddkuest 48]

I was in a PRO battle earlier, opposition were mostly Smoky with burn alt and Vulcan with incendiary ammo. They just had to hit us once or twice and they could watch us burn while going for the flag. It wasn't even funny.

 

Now, we see a LOT of Hunter and Isida in MM, because of the special missions. Once the weekend is over it will be back to Hornet Online. Likely less Vulcans though, given the loss of afterburn protection. BUT - I predict a lot more Firebirds, Smoky and Hammer with burn alts.

 

Lets rejoice though, for nobody will be wasting a slot against Firebird now, since its is mostly to counter the afterburn effect that made players equip it.

[wolverine848 13,097]

5 minutes ago, Reddkuest said:

Likely less Vulcans though, given the loss of afterburn protection.

Hadn't even thought of that - there won't be any vulan-hornets with afterburn protection.

But the Vulcan hornets will just fire in shorter bursts or equip the alt that gives less overheating.

Either way you are correct - we will be back to hornet online.

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

Nice, so upon relistening, it doesn't sound like they'll be taking away turret alterations for purchase, instead referring to the hull alterations.

 

They could have worded that more clearly to avoid the drama. And even then, shouldn't Marcus or theFiringHand reassure us? Kinda weird calling it our "collection" when it's only been out for a day.

[Nicola_M 173]

1 hour ago, Reddkuest said:

I was in a PRO battle earlier, opposition were mostly Smoky with burn alt and Vulcan with incendiary ammo. They just had to hit us once or twice and they could watch us burn while going for the flag. It wasn't even funny.

Interesting.

If there are going to be a plethora of hulls with alts against Incendiary Mix Firebirds/Vulcans, and hull alts against Gauss & Hunter's EMP,  wondering how many go the Smoky and Cryo route.  Don't seem to be many using Smoky.

Oh heck, is that covered by a hull alt too?

Maybe time to hang it up for good.

[Nicola_M 173]

1 hour ago, TheCongoSpider said:

Nice, so upon relistening, it doesn't sound like they'll be taking away turret alterations for purchase, instead referring to the hull alterations.

Where are you seeing that?

[Reddkuest 48]

3 hours ago, Nicola_M said:

Interesting.

If there are going to be a plethora of hulls with alts against Incendiary Mix Firebirds/Vulcans, and hull alts against Gauss & Hunter's EMP,  wondering how many go the Smoky and Cryo route.  Don't seem to be many using Smoky.

Oh heck, is that covered by a hull alt too?

Maybe time to hang it up for good.

Smoky with burn/freeze alteration is nasty. Not your everyday turret, but in some situations/maps it works quite well. Now that you can't protect against burn and freeze effects (unless being very lucky with container drop AND using Hunter) everything that burns or freeze you is ridiculously overpowered.

Mind you, I have seen a few Vulcan/Hornets the last few games I played and they tend to burn themselves up much faster than they used to. I expect to see less Vulcans when the unwashed crowds finally realize its not as OP as it used to. Until we can (if ever) buy anti-burn alteration in garage/shop, we will see more Smoky with incendiary rounds and that burn Hammer alt. And Firebirds/Freeze OFC. In fact, there is already more Firebird/Freeze Hornets out there already now that we can't defend VS their effects anymore.

I said it earlier, if something can be made OP, however temporarily, it will be used but min-maxers out there.

Personally, I will do as i always did: Stick to my Hunter and Shaft/Smoky since I started playing and make do.

 

But mark my words, if Alternativa decides to make Hull alterations only available through random containers and we can't get protection against secondary effects unless we get VERY lucky or skew the odds through sheer volume of containers by spending untold amounts of real cash to get them, anything that burns or freeze you are going to be the next Meta.

 

[Nicola_M 173]

12 minutes ago, Reddkuest said:

 

Thanks, I picked up the Smoky Cryo alt in case they stop doing alts in the garage.  Logic was that I don't see many Smokys on the map so I'm guessing many like me don't use the Smoky protection so I figured it might be the next move.

Just got to MU from M3 to M8, but at first use it's not that great.  Went back to Gauss for insta-kills but will slog on MUing the Smoky as I go.

[Reddkuest 48]

1 hour ago, Nicola_M said:

Thanks, I picked up the Smoky Cryo alt in case they stop doing alts in the garage.  Logic was that I don't see many Smokys on the map so I'm guessing many like me don't use the Smoky protection so I figured it might be the next move.

Just got to MU from M3 to M8, but at first use it's not that great.  Went back to Gauss for insta-kills but will slog on MUing the Smoky as I go.

I am primarily a Shaft player, so yeah the Smoky may seem underwhelming - But while you may not get as many kills, you will participate on many and get some points. Also Smoky is nice for peek-a-boo shooting. People get irritated real fast when you just pop out, get a shot in and hide back, especially when it mess up their aim on top of it. Call me a troll if you will, it makes me smile. The irritated players I mean.

Edited April 26, 2020 by Reddkuest

[2shots2kills 2,366]

10 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

Nice, so upon relistening, it doesn't sound like they'll be taking away turret alterations for purchase, instead referring to the hull alterations.

I don't know man, the V-LOG says this:

 

The NEW containers will be able to drop any of the alterations, both for turrets and for hulls.

 

Remember, after the update, you won't be able to buy any of the alterations, neither for tankoins, nor for crystals. So if you have any missing ones from your collection, now's your chance to snatch them up before they disappear from the store.

 

To me it sounds like they are going remove Turret alts too, or the sentence above would not make any sense.

Snatch up what? there are no hull alts to buy before they disappear.

 

[featwasath 267]

12 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

This just increases the gap between buyers and non-buyers.

And because of this change our modules are getting nerfed.  Average Joe has no way to defend against Freeze or fire with compact tanks.

Yeah, agreed with that. They shouldn't have released them in first place (except for the weight changing ones)

[Only_Shaft_Mammoth 2]

On 4/25/2020 at 2:17 AM, Marcus said:

What I don't understand is that it's only 1 day after the update but many of you guys already say that this update broke the game balance... How many hours have you played after the update? Have you played with any turrets except Freeze and Firebird?

Its breaks the balance because buyers now have the biggest ever advantage against non buyers

Its dumb to only obtain through containers

Edited April 26, 2020 by Only_Shaft_Mammoth

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On 4/24/2020 at 6:37 AM, wolverine848 said:

From the video it sounds like ALL alterations will only be avaiable in the containers.  No more turret alts in the garage.

this is total BS

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