Augments for turrets, container changes, etc.

[The_one_and_only 97]

21 hours ago, Mirza7 said:

They need to make an augment for isida to make it as good as other close combat turrets, I suggested an idea for isida augment but seems nobody liked it. I like isida but can not use in MM battles. 

Isida have a huge damage/sec. hence the protection

Yes, that is the only aspect that is redeeming it from extinction....(Hence why I use it too)

What is your augment???

[The_one_and_only 97]

21 hours ago, Mirza7 said:

Move on to latest topic guys this has grown to big.

Please tell me where. Thanks

 

[The_one_and_only 97]

22 hours ago, KillerDiesel said:

I wonder what hull you're using it with. I'm using it with mostly Viking (because they pair well together in appearance and performance) but if your Viking is pretty weak, you can try using your thunder with hunter or dictator.

 

Thing about thunder that I have learned over the years is that it works best on a hull with a decent amount of health and a decent amount of weight on it.

I used to use it with dictator Mk4 but its those Mk6 gauss' and shafts that camp and kill me...... So giving up on it was the only option

 

 

[KillerDiesel 188]

1 hour ago, The_one_and_only said:

I used to use it with dictator Mk4 but its those Mk6 gauss' and shafts that camp and kill me...... So giving up on it was the only option

 

 

I would say to upgrade your dictator, your thunder and your shaft module to at least mk5. Or you can ditch the dictator and go to your mk5 hunter. 

Hunter OD isn't all that great but it's stats in general are incredible.

Hunter has basically the same amount of weight that dictator has, but is faster, and smaller in stature, meaning it's harder to hit it than it is to hit a dictator.

Only real disadvantage that hunter has over dictator that doesn't involve OD is that dictator can basically shoot over any teammate as long as they're not using dictator as well. While hunter can only shoot over Viking, hornet, and maybe wasp teammates.

[3dL 454]

Not only the game has become P2W, but also Tanki discord channel is full of flexing rich buyers, mocking poor players like.

[Mirza7 235]

13 hours ago, The_one_and_only said:

What is your augment???

Just like how firebird has heating effect and freez has slowdown effect. similarly the effect that works best for isida is absorbing HP or self healing while attacking in exchange of either healing teammates or amount of self healing subtracted from damage/sec. It can be slow but surly make isida much more interesting to use. 

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

20 minutes ago, Mirza7 said:

Just like how firebird has heating effect and freez has slowdown effect. similarly the effect that works best for isida is absorbing HP or self healing while attacking in exchange of either healing teammates or amount of self healing subtracted from damage/sec. It can be slow but surly make isida much more interesting to use. 

It was proven hard to balance and was removed. Isida's special ability is healing. FIrebird and Freeze are purely offensive. Isida can gain score without going into combat with enemy tanks. 

[wolverine848 13,097]

4 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

It was proven hard to balance and was removed. Isida's special ability is healing. FIrebird and Freeze are purely offensive. Isida can gain score without going into combat with enemy tanks. 

They barely tried.   Went from 50% to 10% and no one would use it.  Wonder why...

Like... is there no number between 50 and 10?

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

3 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

They barely tried.   Went from 50% to 10% and no one would use it.  Wonder why...

Like... is there no number between 50 and 10?

Maybe 10% was too little? Maybe higher than that was too much? We don't know. But mentioning that it once existed isn't going to magically bring it back. 

 

Though with those 2 exclusive alterations purchasable for real money, I won't be surprised if it gets brought back. 

[wolverine848 13,097]

2 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

Though with those 2 exclusive alterations purchasable for real money, I won't be surprised if it gets brought back. 

Now you've done it    

[Mirza7 235]

3 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

It was proven hard to balance and was removed. Isida's special ability is healing. FIrebird and Freeze are purely offensive. Isida can gain score without going into combat with enemy tanks. 

Unfortunately current state of TO has made isida's healing unnecessary and it provides no significant score. less deaths will save isida from becoming obsolete. As for healing let me give you an example: gauss is very popular right now in games like CTF.  gauss's sniping mode with hornet OD + double damage can leave almost anyone with too low HP, what good will a isida with very slow healing do to save flag holder running for life. the best choice will be to use repair box instead. Isida only dies in the process of healing others and than they just use supplies continuously to stay alive. Poor isida just lost its reason for existence. No one need isida's healing. Killing is the only salvation now. But to do that it needs to survive then there is double armor and protection module. firebird and freez only work in current TO because of special effects.

Sorry for writing so much I used to use isida before in other account but I lost hope because of low score all the time. 

[SporkZilla 1,775]

2 hours ago, Mirza7 said:

Unfortunately current state of TO has made isida's healing unnecessary and it provides no significant score

I don't know enough about Isida to comment on score (I don't use it), but I'm still seeing Isida's making significant contributions to battles

I owe some skilled Isidas a lot, have wished I could give them crystals after some battles

I'm thinking about getting in to Isida when I stop playing with Smoky all of the time, but that would be in a team-helping sense instead of being concerned about my score

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

6 hours ago, Mirza7 said:

Unfortunately current state of TO has made isida's healing unnecessary and it provides no significant score. less deaths will save isida from becoming obsolete. As for healing let me give you an example: gauss is very popular right now in games like CTF.  gauss's sniping mode with hornet OD + double damage can leave almost anyone with too low HP, what good will a isida with very slow healing do to save flag holder running for life. the best choice will be to use repair box instead. Isida only dies in the process of healing others and than they just use supplies continuously to stay alive. Poor isida just lost its reason for existence. No one need isida's healing. Killing is the only salvation now. But to do that it needs to survive then there is double armor and protection module. firebird and freez only work in current TO because of special effects.

Sorry for writing so much I used to use isida before in other account but I lost hope because of low score all the time. 

I prioritised healing over attacking before the healing nerf. And I still do by using Support Nanobots most of the time. I don't like that I have to give up 50% of my damage to do so but it's my preference. 

 

The healing on Stock is an additional feature. Isida is now offence-oriented. Generally, it would be more lucrative to go on the offensive rather than using Support Nanobots, but SN does have placers where it shines brightly. I think the score it gives is just fine. It used to be higher, but evidently, it was abused shortly after the buff. You could get top scores just by kissing your SN Isida partner while you two eat damage. Then they reduced it to what it was before, then increased it to what it is today.

 

Everyone needs a Support Nanobots' healing. Some offences couldn't work without an SN. Many Juggernauts would be dead if it wasn't for an SN Isida healing them. It's not flawless as your performance depends on your team, the enemy team and the map.

 

If killing happens to be too frustrating, try Support Nanobots...if you ever get it out of a container. I'd suck it up and use Stock now if I didn't have it because I wasn't paying 245k for SN. 

[wolverine848 13,097]

23 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

I prioritised healing over attacking before the healing nerf. And I still do by using Support Nanobots most of the time. I don't like that I have to give up 50% of my damage to do so but it's my preference. 

The healing on Stock is an additional feature. Isida is now offence-oriented. Generally, it would be more lucrative to go on the offensive rather than using Support Nanobots, but SN does have placers where it shines brightly. I think the score it gives is just fine. It used to be higher, but evidently, it was abused shortly after the buff. You could get top scores just by kissing your SN Isida partner while you two eat damage. Then they reduced it to what it was before, then increased it to what it is today.

 

Everyone needs a Support Nanobots' healing. Some offences couldn't work without an SN. Many Juggernauts would be dead if it wasn't for an SN Isida healing them. It's not flawless as your performance depends on your team, the enemy team and the map.

 

If killing happens to be too frustrating, try Support Nanobots...if you ever get it out of a container. I'd suck it up and use Stock now if I didn't have it because I wasn't paying 245k for SN.

I refuse to give up 50% attack in order to heal.  Todays tanki - just not worth it to carry someone to cap the flag.  Most of the battles these days players are not sharing flag-caps.  Stars.  Challenges.  All that crap.  Every man for himself.

[TaffyTank 1,890]

30 minutes ago, wolverine848 said:

I refuse to give up 50% attack in order to heal.  Todays tanki - just not worth it to carry someone to cap the flag.  Most of the battles these days players are not sharing flag-caps.  Stars.  Challenges.  All that crap.  Every man for himself.

Same!..And certainly wouldn't entertain the thought of paying 245k (or even 50% discounted) for Nanobots augment. Use mine as an attacker mainly and heal as much as I can if no enemies around. Used to be teammates would back up their Isida teammates, go out of their way to help you out in return for heals and block incoming fire coming at you. Nowadays, u get left as cannon fodder, sod you Isida as long as I'm alright, I got my heal from you now you're on your own. Different story if you play with friends ofc....random players, nope!

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

@DaringDeer From comparing Incendiary Band to Rubberised Rounds and Stock on the test server, it looks like Incendiary Band has a projectile speed penalty of around 50%. 

[Skepta 405]

On 5/5/2020 at 10:52 AM, Russty said:

There was a time when this game was balanced. That time was only a few years ago. Tanki was great and fun to play. The game was doing well and the amount of players increased day by day. More were online and the game didn't have a bad reputation. I absolutely have no idea why the devs had to wreck that balance. It was fine! We know they want money however they went to get it in the wrong way! You cannot get to Legend without buying. You can't fight in battles without buying. You can't enjoy this game without buying! You know what? Even if you do buy, this game isn't enjoyable! I used to buy (wasn't a heavy buyer) but I played and played and realised that just because you can now play properly since you've bought, it doesn't mean the game is now fun. I can't survive in MM without heavily drugging and it's still hard to survive! 

Remember when Premium account came out? The anger and backlash was insane! Only if our past selves could see the game now. You could only buy Crystals and then premium account after some time but the devs lost control. They noticed that the players will buy however they didn't realise that they won't buy everything. The shop did destroy the game. After premium account the items in the shop expanded rapidly.

Shop paints, kits, containers, tankoins...

I do think containers contributed a bit of unbalance to the game. Containers are good however they do give you a lot of supplies and power. Containers would be better if you couldn't buy them. It may sound weird but it definitely would keep the game intact. Once tanki thought of adding more items to the shop, the game began to crumble. 

Remember, I'm only talking about the P2W aspects of the game. Not the terrible updates they've rolled out over the years.

Once was balanced. Once was fun. Once was playable. Now? It's a different game. 

Unfortunately, there's no way back and the devs won't be stopping anytime soon. Players have the power to change the game but the devs obviously don't want to listen. Let them kill the game we all loved and then they'll see their mistakes. Just when it's too late...

Beautifully said bro.

[The_one_and_only 97]

8 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

I refuse to give up 50% attack in order to heal.  Todays tanki - just not worth it to carry someone to cap the flag.  Most of the battles these days players are not sharing flag-caps.  Stars.  Challenges.  All that crap.  Every man for himself.

I prefer to heal rather than attack, although Isida is initially attack orientated, I use support nanobots or nanomass reactor sometimes depending on the game I play.

Eg: 

If I play in assault defending team, I use support nanobots

If I play in juggernaut, I use support nanobots

If I play in siege, I use nanomass reactor

So yeah, basically like that..   

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

9 minutes ago, The_one_and_only said:

If I play in siege, I use nanomass reactor

I wish I could be this confident. Nanomass Reactor is too unreliable for me currently. It's bad enough that my damage output is even more tight accompanying the difficulties of keeping precise aim with this, my damage also randomly cuts off around a second after I engage an enemy. So they now know I'm there and I just wasted 3 seconds of my 4-second ammo clip to only deal 3 ticks of damage. 

 

I prefer to use Support Nanobots in Siege. 

[The_one_and_only 97]

7 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

I wish I could be this confident. Nanomass Reactor is too unreliable for me currently. It's bad enough that my damage output is even more tight accompanying the difficulties of keeping precise aim with this, my damage also randomly cuts off around a second after I engage an enemy. So they now know I'm there and I just wasted 3 seconds of my 4-second ammo clip to only deal 3 ticks of damage. 

 

I prefer to use Support Nanobots in Siege. 

Ok what is your ping? The damage/second depends on how good your ping is. 

Let show you:

10 ping = 10 millisec for for every damage/sec to appear

100 ping = 100 millisec for damage/sec to appear

The higher the ping, the longer it takes to do damage with turrets. Isida cone angle is small which means it is harder to aim, so you need good ping to do more damage while you aim....  

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

1 hour ago, The_one_and_only said:

Ok what is your ping? The damage/second depends on how good your ping is. 

Let show you:

10 ping = 10 millisec for for every damage/sec to appear

100 ping = 100 millisec for damage/sec to appear

The higher the ping, the longer it takes to do damage with turrets. Isida cone angle is small which means it is harder to aim, so you need good ping to do more damage while you aim....  

Exactly. I get 90-110 Ping. Isida would be so much more comfortable if my Ping was 20 or something.l, especially Nanomass Reactor.

[TaffyTank 1,890]

9 hours ago, The_one_and_only said:

I prefer to heal rather than attack, although Isida is initially attack orientated, I use support nanobots or nanomass reactor sometimes depending on the game I play.

Question is would you blow 122500 crystals on it in a 50% sale if you didn't own Nanobots?..I doubt Nanobots will make you much more crystals than stock Isida would if you're forfeiting kills for heals. Sure!..It's nice to heal and there's an argument that Isida healer helps win more battles. But as a healer chances are you'll win less share of those victory battlefunds than an attack Isida that loses more often but gets more kills/flags/stars etc.. Mid ranks need gear that pays for itself over time and can be used to buy new garage options,. In fact you could just straight up buy other turrets/hulls instead of Nanobots. All Isida Augments are way overpriced IMO. Isida needs a better Augment.

[The_one_and_only 97]

2 hours ago, TaffyTank said:

Question is would you blow 122500 crystals on it in a 50% sale if you didn't own Nanobots?..I doubt Nanobots will make you much more crystals than stock Isida would if you're forfeiting kills for heals. Sure!..It's nice to heal and there's an argument that Isida healer helps win more battles. But as a healer chances are you'll win less share of those victory battlefunds than an attack Isida that loses more often but gets more kills/flags/stars etc.. Mid ranks need gear that pays for itself over time and can be used to buy new garage options,. In fact you could just straight up buy other turrets/hulls instead of Nanobots. All Isida Augments are way overpriced IMO. Isida needs a better Augment.

You must be mistaken. I bought Isida's support nanobots when it costed 55 k crystals. So before they rolled out the new update.  

[The_one_and_only 97]

3 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

Exactly. I get 90-110 Ping. Isida would be so much more comfortable if my Ping was 20 or something.l, especially Nanomass Reactor.

You are more lucky, I have to work harder to aim because my ping fluctuates around 160.

[wolverine848 13,097]

2 hours ago, TaffyTank said:

Question is would you blow 122500 crystals on it in a 50% sale if you didn't own Nanobots?..I doubt Nanobots will make you much more crystals than stock Isida would if you're forfeiting kills for heals. Sure!..It's nice to heal and there's an argument that Isida healer helps win more battles. But as a healer chances are you'll win less share of those victory battlefunds than an attack Isida that loses more often but gets more kills/flags/stars etc.. Mid ranks need gear that pays for itself over time and can be used to buy new garage options,. In fact you could just straight up buy other turrets/hulls instead of Nanobots. All Isida Augments are way overpriced IMO. Isida needs a better Augment.

Not to mention with so many light hulls in the game you have to chase them to heal them.  It's ridiculous.

And I can see it near end of battle... you as isida close in scoring to someone you are trying to heal... that team-mate would run away!

20 minutes ago, The_one_and_only said:

You must be mistaken. I bought Isida's support nanobots when it costed 55 k crystals. So before they rolled out the new update.  

Taffy was talking about NOW.  Who would pay 122k/245k crystals for the privilege of doing 50% less damage and being at the mercy of your team-mates for scoring?