Buff - Nerf - Buff another

[wolverine848 13,097]

9 minutes ago, mjmj5558 said:

The problem is that you watching the amount of kills you get, not the amount of kills that you wouldn't get without the OD. And that is not more than 1-2, of course, if you have luck, more, but sometimes 0 ( again, this doesn't mean that you don't get ANY kills, this means that you cozld get them without the OD. Of course, i think that ignoring spawn protection should be taken away from the OD.

I'm not understanding what you are trying to get accross here.

My point was, even though I don't regularly use hornet or gauss, when I atually do use them, it is quite easy to get kills.

When I use other combos (most of the time), with other ODs, I still get kills but not to the same degree.

The hornet OD makes too much of a difference. It is not balanced compared to other ODs.

[mjmj5558 2,346]

1 minute ago, wolverine848 said:

I'm not understanding what you are trying to get accross here.

My point was, even though I don't regularly use hornet or gauss, when I atually do use them, it is quite easy to get kills.

When I use other combos (most of the time), with other ODs, I still get kills but not to the same degree.

The hornet OD makes too much of a difference. It is not balanced compared to other ODs.

Okay. Here is an example. There are 5 tanks. 2 of them have DA, one of it has protection. Without the hornet OD, with 20s of DD, you can kill 3 tanks. With the OD, you can kill all of them because you don't have to fight against the protection and the DA. 

[wolverine848 13,097]

1 minute ago, mjmj5558 said:

Okay. Here is an example. There are 5 tanks. 2 of them have DA, one of it has protection. Without the hornet OD, with 20s of DD, you can kill 3 tanks. With the OD, you can kill all of them because you don't have to fight against the protection and the DA. 

OK?

This sounds like what I'm saying already - Hornet OD allows a player to get more kills than is reasonable.  No?

[enri_chill 135]

8 hours ago, mjmj5558 said:

Well, it is a good idea, but vulcan is still good, so he shouldn't be angry. He has now a good turret, what's the problem here?

I didn't know that Vulcan got nerfed. I just noticed I was finishing lower than normal and couldn't figure out if protections were higher or my playing was worse. Good to know it got nerfed. Didn't think it needed it as much as hornet OD getting nerfed.

[wolverine848 13,097]

18 minutes ago, enri_chill said:

I didn't know that Vulcan got nerfed. I just noticed I was finishing lower than normal and couldn't figure out if protections were higher or my playing was worse. Good to know it got nerfed. Didn't think it needed it as much as hornet OD getting nerfed.

It was a stealth nerf.  They never announced it - people found it through the web-patch notes.

20% was a bit much.

[cosmic666 1,055]

1 hour ago, D.A.R.K.N.E.S.S said:

This should definitely be removed -  no other offensive overdrive charges whilst in activation - imagine if Viking OD charged whilst active, you'd have 30-40% by the time it finished if you got 2-3 kills as I usually do. 

Every OD takes some element of skill (besides perhaps Dictator or Titan) but like I said, if the developers don't have an issue with the overdrive mechanics themselves i.e. how the overdrive works & functions, then a large part of why Hornet OD is so broken is that relative to its power, it charges far too quickly.

The developers recognised this with Viking's OD and that's why it has the slowest charge time of all the hulls - because of it's huge killing potential. Problems arise when they are aware of the killing potential but don't change the charge time or charge mechanics (as mentioned above) to compensate. 

Must be nice... I recently created an alt and it's been fun owning noobs at First Sergeant  Noone really knows the true power of hornet down there so the OD is underrated

What? This must be a typo because 7.01 secs is ridiculously quick

I can't believe hornet OD is even being put in the same sentence as mammoth OD... some things on this forum really blow my mind sometimes

LOL it was 7.01 mins

[mjmj5558 2,346]

2 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

OK?

This sounds like what I'm saying already - Hornet OD allows a player to get more kills than is reasonable.  No?

No. This means that you get 1-2 kills/ OD.

[maxrider45 0]

remember when hunter ultra came into the game but only in "ultra containers" and now so many people have it. Well according to 'The Video Of The Week" hornet ultra is making an entrance very soon, and guess what, it'll most certainly be in "ultra containers". Im guessing that hunter ultra skin was very successful in bringing revenue that they've decided to try again with hornet UT skin this time. same goes for mars, the new "flying hull".

[fire199 267]

6 hours ago, maxrider45 said:

remember when hunter ultra came into the game but only in "ultra containers" and now so many people have it. Well according to 'The Video Of The Week" hornet ultra is making an entrance very soon, and guess what, it'll most certainly be in "ultra containers". Im guessing that hunter ultra skin was very successful in bringing revenue that they've decided to try again with hornet UT skin this time. same goes for mars, the new "flying hull".

idc as long as they give special missions with 12 Ultra containers like last time

my mate got ultra and i got heat immunity last time 

Edited June 26, 2020 by fire199

[sharifsahaf 656]

RFM has become too much now .i mean it doesn't even need a hornet .a shaft with RFM and berserk reactor just disposed of 4 of us who were using medium-heavy hulls with full health and dd because the firing rate was insane and i mean INSANE . he alone cleared our  base ,took the flag and capped it .and btw the map was massacre,so let that sink in

[cosmic666 1,055]

13 hours ago, Mr.Nibbles said:

Yes, but if you don't have Crisis drone (like the majority of the player-base), this isn't possible

okkkkk it was not a attack on you the way you describe it i was simply stating that your opinion that mammoth is more OTT than hornet was at the very best quite ridiculous and had no merit whatsoever. every player knows that hornet is OTT and you no it is, which begs the question why say mammoth is when every player from the age of 10 upwards knows your statement is quite incorrect. and truth be told that poll was aimed at being a bit of fun nothing else. 1 last thing if you don't want negative feedback then stop posting comments to deflect from the glaring fact that the devs no hornet is OTT but refuse to nerf it . why? that's anyone's guess but it would be nice to no why it's still OTT with no nerf.

Edited June 26, 2020 by cosmic666

[Devoid 2,601]

21 minutes ago, cosmic666 said:

 

I don't believe you have read all my messages...I never denied that Hornet's Overdrive overpowered, I just personally think that some other overdrives are more annoying.

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

19 minutes ago, Mr.Nibbles said:

I don't believe you have read all my messages...I never denied that Hornet's Overdrive overpowered, I just personally think that some other overdrives are more annoying.

Does annoying = powerful to you? I find Titan's Overdrive annoying when it's placed unexpectedly but it has so many counters and potential things to worry about that if a Titan is able to comfortably place their dome then I wish them more luck. 

[mjmj5558 2,346]

35 minutes ago, Mr.Nibbles said:

I don't believe you have read all my messages...I never denied that Hornet's Overdrive overpowered, I just personally think that some other overdrives are more annoying.

Well, i agree. There are better ODs, but people don't see how powerfull they are. Many tankers can only see OH, A HORNET IS IGNORING MY PROTECTION! OP! NERF IT!

[E_polypterus 2,374]

2 minutes ago, mjmj5558 said:

Well, i agree. There are better ODs, but people don't see how powerfull they are. Many tankers can only see OH, A HORNET IS IGNORING MY PROTECTION! OP! NERF IT!

RIGHT.  You missed a few points. 

Ignores;

-titan od protection

-double armour protection

-spawn protection

AND shows;

-enemy health status

-enemy location

 What other ods have this much privileges? NONE RIGHT? 

FINISH.

 

[cosmic666 1,055]

38 minutes ago, Mr.Nibbles said:

I don't believe you have read all my messages...I never denied that Hornet's Overdrive overpowered, I just personally think that some other overdrives are more annoying.

OK have it your way, i like many others read between the lines. You get rather good at it reading some of the comments that get posted, and all overdrives are annoying if you get taken out by one.Hornet's overdrive is a joke because of how OTT it is. It more than anything else in the game dominates battles. I have never liked overdrives from the start but hornet's is way beyond anything that can be considered fair and balanced, Its on a par with the VERY unbalanced MM set up. I personally have nothing against you and enjoy reading and replying to the majority of posts i think are worth the effort replying to. I think what i have said reflects the opinions of most of the players who understand the game, and how it actually plays out in ACTUAL battles. Their seems to be a few players who exist in a fantasy world who think the game is just fine the way it is, are at the very least hang on every word the devs say and take what they say as gospel.You as part of the tanki set up no that some players will read what you have to say and because you said it then it must be true/correct. I'm not naive i no it's just a game, but it's a game that quite a few of us have been playing for years and i think it's about time that the devs consider our feedback, and once in awhile actually act on our comments regarding some of the updates that have been implemented which we feel are not fair/balanced for all concerned(THE PLAYERS).I could go on for quite a considerable amount time about the unbalanced nature of certain aspects of the game but i reckon in one post or another i've pretty much covered everything i find wrong with the game. Apart from that i think with some minor adjustments tanki will be just fine. P.S just to reiterate i have nothing against you are anyone else that disagrees with anything i post, but if anyone does disagrees with me then they are obvs wrong and therefore must be  ALIENS.  

[mjmj5558 2,346]

48 minutes ago, E_polypterus said:

RIGHT.  You missed a few points. 

Ignores;

-titan od protection

-double armour protection

-spawn protection

AND shows;

-enemy health status

-enemy location

 What other ods have this much privileges? NONE RIGHT? 

FINISH.

 

Spawn protection ignoring should be taken away. It's really fantastic that hornet OD ignores some protections, but who cares, if i can get many instant kills with other ODs.

[E_polypterus 2,374]

3 minutes ago, mjmj5558 said:

i can get many instant kills with other ODs.

Thats all you can get from those ODs other than separate kills as well(get gauss or magnum and then u actually can get multi kills almost instantly). But then again what you say seems right too, hornet OD cant do what other ODs do so it would look kinda dull and it should have some other unique characteristics. But devs have put too much power into hornet OD to make it special and interesting, so it shoud obviously get some kind of nerf rn.

 

[DieselPlatinum 5,121]

10 hours ago, cosmic666 said:

Hornet's overdrive is a joke because of how OTT it is.

Question: does "OTT" happen to be short for "Over The Top"?

[wolverine848 13,097]

10 hours ago, mjmj5558 said:

Spawn protection ignoring should be taken away. It's really fantastic that hornet OD ignores some protections, but who cares, if i can get many instant kills with other ODs.

Viking and... wasp (if they cant clear area) and... ?   Mammoth? Sure - but you have to be within spitting distance.

Dictator?  Have to be lucky - no difference from regular play.

Titan?  See dictator

Hunter?  See dictator

 

Does not seem like you can get "instant kills" from many ODs, outside of luck.  And luck is not a strong strategy IMO.

[cosmic666 1,055]

1 hour ago, DieselPlatinum said:

Question: does "OTT" happen to be short for "Over The Top"?

yip

[mjmj5558 2,346]

1 hour ago, wolverine848 said:

Dictator?  Have to be lucky - no difference from regular play.

Titan?  See dictator

Hunter?  See dictator

Hornet? Luck

[wolverine848 13,097]

17 minutes ago, mjmj5558 said:

 

Would have been a nice post - if it made any sense.   

Try again.

[enri_chill 135]

On 6/25/2020 at 2:19 PM, wolverine848 said:

It was a stealth nerf.  They never announced it - people found it through the web-patch notes.

20% was a bit much.

No doubt...it makes it much less playable. Without Hornet OD it couldn't dominate a field. While I don't have access to the usage data, I would love to see the percentage of vulcan users (pre-nerf) that were using hornet.

[mjmj5558 2,346]

10 hours ago, wolverine848 said:

Would have been a nice post - if it made any sense.   

Try again.

If you start thinking - you will understand it (i you are able to think about it)