Mk7+, MK8, MK9. Which is it? List your reasons why you think it is

[artc 1,119]

I recently wrote a post of, "the most annoying player", and probably 1/7 of it was people arguing about there opinions on the mk7 totally upgraded and what it is caled. list reasons to support your idea about what it is called.

Edited July 31, 2020 by artc

[Spy 14,687]

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[cosmic666 1,055]

I hate it when players say a fully upgraded mk2 is technically a mk3, sorry but technically it's a mk2 fully upgraded. Nothing more nothing less.

[wolverine848 13,097]

Mk7+.   

Used to be m3+.   Same thing only numbers bumped by 4 because of more splits before the mk7.

If it ain't broke - don't fix it.

[E_polypterus 2,374]

11 hours ago, cosmic666 said:

I hate it when players say a fully upgraded mk2 is technically a mk3, sorry but technically it's a mk2 fully upgraded. Nothing more nothing less.

Technically it is a mk3. Mk2 has the same damage as tht of a mk3 right?  It’s just u get a diff feeling when playing with different skins. Besides then we’d have to call a mk8, a fully upgraded mk7 instead then  

[coconuttree 519]

11 hours ago, artc said:

I recently wrote a post of, "the most annoying player", and probably 1/7 of it was people arguing about there opinions on the mk7 totally upgraded and what it is caled. list reasons to support your idea about what it is called.

It would be good if you make a poll in the main post with all the options to clearly see what people think

Edited July 31, 2020 by coconuttree

[cosmic666 1,055]

4 hours ago, E_polypterus said:

Technically it is a mk3. Mk2 has the same damage as tht of a mk3 right?  It’s just u get a diff feeling when playing with different skins. Besides then we’d have to call a mk8, a fully upgraded mk7 instead then  

Say what you want, if a combo in your garage is worded as say mk6 even if it is fully upgraded then i bet you 10,000,000 GB if you refresh your account and go straight to your garage it will not say mk7 but remain MK6, THAT IS SOMETHING YOU CANNOT DISPUTE because it is a FACT. A fully upgraded mk7 is a maxed out mk7 <<<----much better and actually a true statement of the FACTS. There is no number 8 in a maxed out MK7. You find one you let me no. 

[E_polypterus 2,374]

24 minutes ago, cosmic666 said:

Say what you want, if a combo in your garage is worded as say mk6 even if it is fully upgraded then i bet you 10,000,000 GB if you refresh your account and go straight to your garage it will not say mk7 but remain MK6, THAT IS SOMETHING YOU CANNOT DISPUTE because it is a FACT. A fully upgraded mk7 is a maxed out mk7 <<<----much better and actually a true statement of the FACTS. There is no number 8 in a maxed out MK7. You find one you let me no. 

K keep on using the phrase "fully upgraded mk7" instead of just saying mk8

[cosmic666 1,055]

Just now, E_polypterus said:

K keep on using the phrase "fully upgraded mk7" instead of just saying mk8

LOL  i don't use any phrase at all for any of my combos mk1 mk5 mk7 etc, i just go into battle and do my best without using any jargon whatsoever. I don't really care what terminology players use to describe anything in TO. All that matters to me is getting the better of ANY AND ALL HORNET PLAYERS as often as i can in battle, they deserve my full attention and i do my utmost to make sure they get it......BOTH BARRELS. And the fact that without their overdrive there skill compared to mine is recruit level.....AT BEST. All hornet players should be executed on sight by every non playing hornet player as a priority. I hope i have made myself perfectly clear on my total DISLIKE of all hornet players regardless of who they are. A MK7 IS A MK7......THERE IS NO NUMBER 8 ANYWHERE IN THAT STATEMENT. CASE CLOSED.

[artc 1,119]

4 hours ago, coconuttree said:

It would be good if you make a poll in the main post with all the options to clearly see what people think

This is rather embarrising to say, but i do not now how to make a poll. 

[E_polypterus 2,374]

2 minutes ago, cosmic666 said:

LOL  i don't use any phrase at all for any of my combos mk1 mk5 mk7 etc, i just go into battle and do my best without using any jargon whatsoever. I don't really care what terminology players use to describe anything in TO. All that matters to me is getting the better of ANY AND ALL HORNET PLAYERS as often as i can in battle, they deserve my full attention and i do my utmost to make sure they get it......BOTH BARRELS. And the fact that without their overdrive there skill compared to mine is recruit level.....AT BEST. All hornet players should be executed on sight by every non playing hornet player as a priority. I hope i have made myself perfectly clear on my total DISLIKE of all hornet players regardless of who they are. A MK7 IS A MK7......THERE IS NO NUMBER 8 ANYWHERE IN THAT STATEMENT. CASE CLOSED.

That's what you think but 99% of the other players use the term mk8 

Also I agree with you on all those things against hornet except skill. As irritating and fun it is to kill them all the time it would not be fair or true to say that they lack skill. At times a hornet player would be more skilled than you, you can't deny that. I mean this in battles without over drives where all players have equal footing. 

[Spy 14,687]

1 minute ago, artc said:

This is rather embarrising to say, but i do not now how to make a poll. 

Check this wiki page, it might help you out.

[artc 1,119]

@Spy Thanks for the tip!!!

[cosmic666 1,055]

Just now, E_polypterus said:

That's what you think but 99% of the other players use the term mk8 

Also I agree with you on all those things against hornet except skill. As irritating and fun it is to kill them all the time it would not be fair or true to say that they lack skill. At times a hornet player would be more skilled than you, you can't deny that. I mean this in battles without over drives where all players have equal footing. 

ERM  sorry but i can deny that, i no how good i am been at it over 6 years now. Without overdrives mag/hornet in particular would not waltz in to enemy base with overdrive activated cap flag and amble back with yet another activated overdrive and take flag for a second time. 

[E_polypterus 2,374]

1 hour ago, cosmic666 said:

ERM  sorry but i can deny that, i no how good i am been at it over 6 years now. Without overdrives mag/hornet in particular would not waltz in to enemy base with overdrive activated cap flag and amble back with yet another activated overdrive and take flag for a second time. 

I wasn’t referring only about magnum hornets. Just like you’ve played the game for 6 years those guys might have as well, or more.

[iplayatankonline 102]

Well I've thought about this a bit. And to be fair, in my view it's just language and meaning in discourse. Semantics.

While I can see on both sides why strict "facts" and such matter as to what a piece of equipment is or isn't, the centre of the matter is communication through language over what terminology conveys. If two people say the same thing and yet this means two different things... that is not good for discourse.

To me, Mk7 means you got mk7-0. One might say I purchased a Mk7, and if for some reason it was not just purchased, then you say it with the upgrade. My freeze is mk7-16, my vulcan is mk7+. There is no ambiguity in the meaning of what I just said. Mk7+ means you have mk7-20.

As to the point of is mk6+ the same as mk7. There is clearly a difference in meaning. Yes the damage is equal. But your equipment state is describing more than just the damage. If I have mk7-0, I can upgrade my turret. If I have mk6+ I cannot.

Now as to m7+ being m8. Well, I would like to argue against that, though back when m3+ was m4 I was actually all four saying you had a m4. It was nice to interchange these, and add the number 4 into the mix. Because in either case, I knew exactly what you meant... But now... We have drones.

So now you get +5 percent with drones. Therefore, m7+ makes sense as fully upgraded m7. To me, MK8 would be suggesting you have a drone equipped. And this can make things tricky. Let's say you have mk7-15 with fully upgrade drone. Or... half upgraded drone. And let's say your turret is doing more than mk7+ damage. First I would say, if you are doing over mk7+ damage, you can say I have a MK8 turret. MK8 implies the drone is in the mix and it is stronger than a mk7-20 turret. If you say have a fully upgraded drone, and a mk7-1 turret, I don't believe in any of the turrets this qualifies you to say you have mk8 turret. It just makes the mk7-1 a mk7... 5 or 10. I dunno.

If you have a fully upgrade mk7-20 turret, and  a fully upgrade standard drone. Then you have M8+. You are doing mk7-20 damage +5 percent.

If you have brutus, A fully upgraded and mk7-20 turret and brutus upgarded beyond upgrade 10 you could conceivably be at mk9. And a fully upgraded brutus with fully mk7-20 turret is MK9+. You have a mk7-20 turret with +10 percent damage on top. Many times, an upgrade of 10 percent takes you up 1 mk level. But for sake of meaning and understanding, the mk8 and mk9 are in increments of +5 percent damage as result of drones.

 

I can see how even with what I wrote above, people would want to interject maybe. I mean, even though I showed brutus as being +10 percent as the highest damage, with booster or others, those drones can offer temporarily even higher levels of damage. And just other meddling factors.

 

But in essence, the above is as I see it. I might have left something out... I dunno.

[cosmic666 1,055]

52 minutes ago, iplayatankonline said:

Well I've thought about this a bit. And to be fair, in my view it's just language and meaning in discourse. Semantics.

While I can see on both sides why strict "facts" and such matter as to what a piece of equipment is or isn't, the centre of the matter is communication through language over what terminology conveys. If two people say the same thing and yet this means two different things... that is not good for discourse.

To me, Mk7 means you got mk7-0. One might say I purchased a Mk7, and if for some reason it was not just purchased, then you say it with the upgrade. My freeze is mk7-16, my vulcan is mk7+. There is no ambiguity in the meaning of what I just said. Mk7+ means you have mk7-20.

As to the point of is mk6+ the same as mk7. There is clearly a difference in meaning. Yes the damage is equal. But your equipment state is describing more than just the damage. If I have mk7-0, I can upgrade my turret. If I have mk6+ I cannot.

Now as to m7+ being m8. Well, I would like to argue against that, though back when m3+ was m4 I was actually all four saying you had a m4. It was nice to interchange these, and add the number 4 into the mix. Because in either case, I knew exactly what you meant... But now... We have drones.

So now you get +5 percent with drones. Therefore, m7+ makes sense as fully upgraded m7. To me, MK8 would be suggesting you have a drone equipped. And this can make things tricky. Let's say you have mk7-15 with fully upgrade drone. Or... half upgraded drone. And let's say your turret is doing more than mk7+ damage. First I would say, if you are doing over mk7+ damage, you can say I have a MK8 turret. MK8 implies the drone is in the mix and it is stronger than a mk7-20 turret. If you say have a fully upgraded drone, and a mk7-1 turret, I don't believe in any of the turrets this qualifies you to say you have mk8 turret. It just makes the mk7-1 a mk7... 5 or 10. I dunno.

If you have a fully upgrade mk7-20 turret, and  a fully upgrade standard drone. Then you have M8+. You are doing mk7-20 damage +5 percent.

If you have brutus, A fully upgraded and mk7-20 turret and brutus upgarded beyond upgrade 10 you could conceivably be at mk9. And a fully upgraded brutus with fully mk7-20 turret is MK9+. You have a mk7-20 turret with +10 percent damage on top. Many times, an upgrade of 10 percent takes you up 1 mk level. But for sake of meaning and understanding, the mk8 and mk9 are in increments of +5 percent damage as result of drones.

 

I can see how even with what I wrote above, people would want to interject maybe. I mean, even though I showed brutus as being +10 percent as the highest damage, with booster or others, those drones can offer temporarily even higher levels of damage. And just other meddling factors.

 

But in essence, the above is as I see it. I might have left something out... I dunno.

You make a good argument,but your over complicating a very simple FACT, until the devs take what you have just stated and make it a actual feature of the game, MK7 regardless of how many upgrades or upgraded drones you can equip with it will remain mk7, either at 10 upgrades or a maxed out MK7 which is fully upgraded. The common factor in all of this is the number 7, there is no number 8 involved....that was my point. If players want to say a maxed out MK7 is actually a MK8 i have no problem with that, i only point out facts within TO as i see them.  MURDER HORNETS need a serious nerf....FACT.

[artc 1,119]

Here is my theory. If one upgrades his mk3 to the max he will be able to get the mk4 for FREE. The reason for that is because there is NO difference between the mk3-10 and the mk4 except for the name.The reason I believe the mk7-20 should be called a (mk9) is because once you have a mk7, u are able to microupgrade it 20x instead of 10. Since upgrading something 10x basically brings it up to the next mk. I think that microupgrading it 20x should bring it up 2 mk's moving it from a mk7 to a mk9. Oneargument against that is that they simply made it so that u have to upgrade it more times to get u the same results as upgrading it 10x as in the normal turret. My argument against that, is that every time u upgrade to the next (mk) the upgraded damage will not always be the same. So that makes the point erelavent.

[alkyng 3,080]

I think the only different is the Skin, and in Pro-Battles like in battles without micro or in Xp/Bp battles.

On 7/31/2020 at 12:41 AM, cosmic666 said:

I hate it when players say a fully upgraded mk2 is technically a mk3, sorry but technically it's a mk2 fully upgraded. Nothing more nothing less.

sorry I will rewrite my comment in past Topic but this is my oppinion, - I consider it as Mk9 or maybe even Mk10 like what I vote.

basically, it's supposed every two upgrades gives you new skin, rather a full upgrade in past
in past m0+ micro its like m1
m1+ micro like m2, etc...
m3+ micro like m4
now after new Mk system, be m0= Mk1, m1= Mk3, m2= Mk5, m3= Mk7, then m4= Mk9
when you say the Mk7+ its like Mk8, its like you say its a small upgrade, when he actually a full upgrade like the old update, except if they make a new balance for micro after Mk7

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as you see in this graph, as you see in last upgrade they doubled the increase instead of 70+ like the upgrade before, no they doubled it to 186+ so it's not Mk8 it's Mk9 because it's two upgrades,

and like what we see in every upgrade the number of increase decreases from the upgrade before it, so last upgrade (Mk9) it's supposed to be less than 70+70=140+, but they didn't make it lesser than 140+ like it supposed to be, and didn't make it exactly 140+, no they increase it until 186+, as what I see on my perspective only

Edited August 1, 2020 by asem.harbi

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

10 minutes ago, asem.harbi said:

 

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as you see in this graph, as you see in last upgrade they doubled the increase instead of 70+ like the upgrade before, no they doubled it to 186+ so it's not Mk8 it's Mk9 because it's two upgrades,

and like what we see in every upgrade the number of increase decreases from the upgrade before it, so last upgrade (Mk9) it's supposed to be less than 70+70=140+, but they didn't make it lesser than 140+ like it supposed to be, and didn't make it exactly 140+, no they increase it until 186+, as what I see on my perspective only

Do this again but with Vulcan and Shaft. You will see that the increase between Mk1-Mk2 and Mk7-Mk7+ is the same for those two. So would you call that Mk9 even though it's the same distance as one modification? 

 

[iplayatankonline 102]

10 hours ago, cosmic666 said:

You make a good argument,but your over complicating a very simple FACT, until the devs take what you have just stated and make it a actual feature of the game, MK7 regardless of how many upgrades or upgraded drones you can equip with it will remain mk7, either at 10 upgrades or a maxed out MK7 which is fully upgraded. The common factor in all of this is the number 7, there is no number 8 involved....that was my point. If players want to say a maxed out MK7 is actually a MK8 i have no problem with that, i only point out facts within TO as i see them.  MURDER HORNETS need a serious nerf....FACT.

It is just my interpretation of where we are, and how we can communicate.

Even with what I wrote,thinking we need terminology to signify I'm above mk7+, or mk7-20. I.e. Mk8 or mk9...

I will be the first one to agree, that this creates ambiguity. ... to a degree.

A new player joining the game reading all the rules can search the whole site, and might never find reference to anything saying mk8+. And might find in chat, or in forum posts some one talking about them having mk8+ or mk9. And to some they can ask for clarification and it will make sense... but maybe they will actually think there is something such as mk8. And there is not.

My system may not be perfect.

But in the same sense, nuances need to be learned. New players will adapt. So long as the community as a whole is on board with what what terms mean what, we can make sense of mk8s and mk9s. In that saying two players with mk7+ is not the whole story of a tank. If we each have mk7+ but our drones are at different stages... this needs to be addressed. And as brought up earlier in this thread... short hand is important.

 

I don't think the variation within a single mk upgrade matters. If mk1 takes you up 50 damage, mk2 takes you up 65 damage, mk3 back down to 50, mk4 70+ damage. That's what the mk is. If mk7 is 50% more than a previous mk level... it doesnt change that it is still within the mk7 level upgrade. That in my view becomes an arbitrary way of assigning mk8s. And if you said to me that you had a mk7-16 turret, but that was approaching mk9... it wouldnt mean anything to me.

[alkyng 3,080]

2 hours ago, TheCongoSpider said:

Do this again but with Vulcan and Shaft. You will see that the increase between Mk1-Mk2 and Mk7-Mk7+ is the same for those two. So would you call that Mk9 even though it's the same distance as one modification? 

 

I prepare this for you from the past topic

Shaft-

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Vulcan-

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in Shaft and Vulcan we must ignore the first upgrades and watch how the graph it work, but also the same what i say applies on them (Regardless of first upgrade

Edited August 1, 2020 by asem.harbi

[TheCongoSpider 8,942]

56 minutes ago, asem.harbi said:

I prepare this for you from the past topic

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in Shaft and Vulcan we must ignore the first upgrades and watch how the graph it work, but also the same what i say applies on them (Regardless of first upgrade

Why must we ignore the first upgrade? You claim that Mk7-Mk7+ is a distance of two modifications and not one. In Vulcan and Shaft's case, the distance between Mk1-Mk2 and Mk7-Mk7+ is the same. Would it be accurate to call Mk7+ Shaft and Vulcan Mk9?

After all, it's the same distance as Mk1-Mk2, which is a distance of one modification.

 

[alkyng 3,080]

16 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

Why must we ignore the first upgrade? You claim that Mk7-Mk7+ is a distance of two modifications and not one. In Vulcan and Shaft's case, the distance between Mk1-Mk2 and Mk7-Mk7+ is the same. Would it be accurate to call Mk7+ Shaft and Vulcan Mk9?

After all, it's the same distance as Mk1-Mk2, which is a distance of one modification.

despite of first upgrade because it to make balance between low ranks, watch the graph and you see after a lot of decrease in every upgrade there are a huge jump in last Mk7+ upgrade how do you explain it

10 minutes ago, At_Shin said:

Lets just agree to call it what it is- mk7-20 (for hulls and turrrets), mk7-15 (for modules) and level-20 (for drones).

I am getting bored of this tedious discussion. (it makes me reconsider my forum notification choices in life).

maybe your talking is true,

but to know that isn't just a little one upgrade to from mk7 to mk8, No it's a full upgrade to mk10, and it cost 450K+ crystals and a lot of time

Edited August 1, 2020 by asem.harbi

[mjmj5558 2,346]

On 7/30/2020 at 11:15 PM, artc said:

I recently wrote a post of, "the most annoying player", and probably 1/7 of it was people arguing about there opinions on the mk7 totally upgraded and what it is caled. list reasons to support your idea about what it is called.

Mk9? Mk10? What are those in the poll? It would be a complete chaos to name the mk7+ with different numbers, like mk10.

First, go back not so far in the  history: mk7 was m3, and players could upgrade this modification (i guess everyone knows it), and players named the fully upgraded m3 to m4, since when you fully upgrade a tank, it unlocks the next modification (of you reached the level). Logical. However, this was an "unofficial"  name, created by players, and this name was converted to mk8 (by players) after the modification update. There's no point to call it different. Just think about it: what's better m4 or m5? M5 of course, but since the next modification was m4, it's name was m4. Same goes for mk7+. Of corse, i know that mk10, 100, or xmillion sounds much better, but it's illogical to change the number from 8 to a "better" one.