update Drone and Supply changes

[wolverine848 13,097]

14 hours ago, Marcus said:

Thus, for low ranks "Double Damage" and "Double Armor" will become weaker, which means that personal skills will be more important in a battle. By ranking up and upgrading drones, you gradually return the «Double Armor» and «Double Damage» effect to its previous form. 

How you figure that?

Anyone with a fully upgraded drone still won't have to rely on these "personal skills".

And since Legends get to play mid-rank players because of the ridiculously wide rank-spreads, guess who has an even bigger advantage than before?

Edited April 30, 2021 by wolverine848

[wolverine848 13,097]

Just now, At_Shin said:

I believe they have listed the Self-Healing stats in the Mobile Patch notes. Except for this, they explained the other changes in good detail imo.

Patch notes does not have that.  The WIKI does.

 

So... why was the original Isida vampirism removed from the game?

[lssimo 1,559]

48 minutes ago, Catbird said:

You know what annoys me to no end about this new update? This right here:

It's just an excuse.

I don't care if you need people to upgrade their drones, force them to spend more crystals to be competitive, and make life harder for non-buyers. It's your god-given right as a pay-to-win game. But don't you DARE pretend this is about making it fairer for players. It can't be fair if players who can afford to upgrade a drone faster get an advantage on the rest. It just comes across feeling like a bare-faced lie.

One of the last things that was the same for all players, non-buyers and buyers alike, has just been removed from the game. It's all there is to this.

As a staunch non-buyer, I will take on this challenge, of course. I'll just expect to get more often the feeling one gets of fighting against 50% prots and defender drones. Fair enough. But I guess you devs just reminded me that this game was never meant for people like me.

It's hard for businesses to be honest.

They can't say "We are making this changes because we need money" or "because we want more money" or "because Hazel wants a new BMW".

If they do that what would you say? "How much money you need?", "More money, why?", "Hazel doesn't need a BMW, he needs a BMX (bike brand)"

[TWICE 798]

22 minutes ago, Rutgers said:

Just to clarify, Hyperion drone won't use batteries either correct?

It is not mention in the patch notes.

[DestrotankAI9 1,513]

ALL DRONES and not just Brutus, when no batteries are present, should give the passive increase to "Boosted Damage" and "Boosted Armor" supplies. To balance this, the Brutus drone should still consume batteries, and give an additional 1-5% damage/armour bonus like it did before. But that would just be damage limitation - nothing like this update should ever have been implemented.

It is ridiculous that Alternativa are asking free-to-play players to pay up 500k crystals for a new drone AND wait 3 months to MU it (or actually pay more than that on 30/50 MU sale, or wait 1 1/2 months until Tanki birthday) just to get the same supply power back as they had before, when they run out of batteries. In the meantime, most players who never needed to level a Brutus Drone will get crushed during the many times that they inevitably run out of batteries. This has rendered the game virtually unplayable for free-to-play players (unless they just so happen to have a well MU-ed Brutus lying about), just one of the many bad outcomes of this update - hard to know where to start, but the fun factor for non-buyers and the balance between free-to-play and buying players has taken such a dramatic nosedive, it is easy to think that many free players will simply quit at this point.

I could try to mention some positives from this such as how the new Trickster drone is fun to use (however even this has been done in the wrong way, this should have been a new drone altogether), but the negatives are so overwhelming it is hard to focus on anything else.

This is definitely the update that brings me closest to quitting of any in the last 2 years. I could explain all the things that are wrong with it, but feedback is never taken into account here (apart from on comparatively insignificant matters such as event modes), and I think the reasons are obvious. Make your own decisions on whether to stay or quit people, it seems free players are no longer welcome in Tanki - that is clear from the last few updates. And for any mods who try to put a positive spin on this - go into battle and fight without a Brutus drone at Legend vs 20/20 drone players, and see how you find it. A lot of fun... that's for sure.

Edited April 30, 2021 by DestrotankAI9

[Joeguy 941]

18 hours ago, Marcus said:

Just one problem remains - you often complain that the game is too dependent on supplies.

Yeah that is true...two friggin' years ago!  Supplies became a non-issue and just part of the game when copious amounts of them were bequeathed in containers, missions, and Challenges. 

I don't care what you guys do to the game now, you have ruined it already so it can't be made much worse.  What ticks me off is the smarmy tortured rationalizations for your toxic updates..."you often complain that the game is too dependent on supplies" ..what a load of spin doctor sludge.  Be a company with integrity and just say "We are changing the parameters of supplies"  ...done, easy, without the "we're-making-the-game-better-for-YOU, because-we-care!" bogus rap. 

 

Dr. Spin says,  "Hey Developers, what a fantastic update!  This supply update will free up a multitude of nicknames that were previously active!"

 

 

 

Edited April 30, 2021 by Joeguy

[kumee 30]

Wow these update  is very useful. You just need to expend 1 000 000 crystals and wait three months to go back TO before this update. It is like all the new updates is based on how the players will expend more money. 

[antillis 138]

On 4/30/2021 at 6:42 AM, lssimo said:

What ranks will be affected?

I need to know now and not in 48 minutes.

All players across all ranks will be affected. (massively and detrimentally i might add) THE only players that will not be affected are the heavy buyers, regardless of rank.

On 4/30/2021 at 7:25 AM, Adab said:

Very nice update, especially the return of the vampire ability of Isida at least through an augment. I really loved playing using Isida back in the days with this feature and I think I honestly missed it.

Explain how this is a NICE update please for all of us noobs who don't have a bottomless supply of available cash, IN DETAIL if you don't mind.

On 4/30/2021 at 7:31 AM, RIDDLER_8 said:

This is a good update

I reiterate one of my earlier posts. What planet are from.

On 4/30/2021 at 8:17 AM, Catbird said:

I don't care if you need people to upgrade their drones, force them to spend more crystals to be competitive, and make life harder for non-buyers. It's your god-given right as a pay-to-win game. But don't you DARE pretend this is about making it fairer for players. It can't be fair if players who can afford to upgrade a drone faster get an advantage on the rest. It just comes across feeling like a bare-faced lie.

How so very true. But let's all remember that the CM is only relaying what the developers have done. I no it's laughable but there you go, tanki is what it is, unfair, unbalanced, and rife with GREED.  

[GriHatuM 9]

Bruh, you guys changed completely Trickster drone. I didn't buy it for what it's doing now... And you didn't change anything about the battles depending on supplies , the only thing different now is that only p2w users will be able to depend on supplies in battles and skill won't matter anymore...

[TinBoxGunner 140]

Let's have  "the weakest link" system where all team members would have DA/DD impact based on the weakest drone in the team. That would be hilarious to see and would be in line with the out of this world thinking of our dear Tanki devs.

BR,

"STOP THE MADNESS"

[Modesty 79]

12 minutes ago, GriHatuM said:

Bruh, you guys changed completely Trickster drone. I didn't buy it for what it's doing now... And you didn't change anything about the battles depending on supplies , the only thing different now is that only p2w users will be able to depend on supplies in battles and skill won't matter anymore...

Same, I was crying over the same thing, I didn't buy trickster for this.....

[GriHatuM 9]

3 minutes ago, Modesty said:

Same, I was crying over the same thing, I didn't buy trickster for this.....

They should give a refund tbh, I would spend the crystals on upgrading the Brutus drone because it's the only one that isn't using batteries...

[Kvothe 49]

Well, that's the first update I feel "need" to comment. I was like angry quite a few times with these updates... But even on legend rank I could still roll with 5k GS. And get 4-5 k krystal ls per round. But not anymore... No matter what i do... y can't compete with lvl 2 drone vs 20. If this update is gonna stay as it is.. I think it's end of road for me. .... I mean I would expect at least instant upgrades of brutus so I don't have to wait to make it bearable, but as we all know.. that's not gonna happen.

[TinBoxGunner 140]

Did some calculation.  Let's assume two players have same equipment - protection 2000 and damage 600. Let's further assume both players have DA and DD activated.  Let's further assume player 1 has no drone and player 2 has a 20/20 drone activated. In this scenario player one needs 5 shots (4,13 to be exact) to kill player 2, while player 2 need only 3  shots (2,3) to kill player 1.

This truly is hilarious how much advantage needs to be given to wretched buyers so that they could get their money's worth...

[Iron_Man 2,376]

I am really surprised how all the people see this as a bad update. I think this is really a good update. Now do not think I am saying so just because I am a Helper of the game. I am saying this from my experience of the update.

You know, you can get a passive boost independent of supplies to both your armor and damage which I think is really good. See, without having to use your supplies you armor and damage is already boosted by your drone. I think that changes a lot of things. I think that it is worth buying and upgrading the drones.

Now newcomers don't one-shot you just cuz they have a bunch of Double Damages. This will really force people to get skilled in the game.

@GriHatuMYou think that change to Trickster will force people to rather depend on supplies than skill. I'd say that it is not that easy. For those who already have maxed out garage, thing will be the same. It will not change much for them and it is good as in the course of maxing their garage, they are bound to get skilled. Now, speaking of why the change to trickster is good. Crisis being the only drone providing boost to speed was not liked by many. Soo many topics were created in the I&S section to suggest a standard passive boost to speed provided by all drones or even separate set drones to provide only speed boost. That is what is implemented. I mean, it is really good for non-buyers. They now have a drone in their reach which provides a decent speed boost.

@r_SPSE0 My dear friend, having a gear score of 5k at the rank of Legend is itself quite amusing. I am not trying to decide your skill or expertise by Gear Score or to make fun of you but it is obvious that you need at least a Gear score of 7k at the rank of legend. By the time you reach the rank of Legend you should posses enough crystals to at least get you garage to Mk6 or Mk7 level and decently upgrade your drone. That being said, it is you who is not capable of buying a drone, but not the entire player base. 

@antillis I think you forget that, in this world where you need money to do everything, being selfless is not gonna help. If there is no source of income, there is no way the developers can survive and there is no way the Alternativa platform can afford to run the game. Secondly, I don't exactly get why you say that this is a bad update. Not just in this issue, but many others as well, you always say that the game is unfair, it is unbalanced and is P2W but you never say what exactly is unfair, or unbalanced or P2W. Yes, I accept that some elements of the game are indeed unbalanced but it is not entirely P2W.

@Unleash People say "Winning the game these days means spamming supplies" and yet they say that reducing the effect of theirs is not good. Every problem might not have a perfect and spotless solution. You have to go for one option, either removing the supplies entirely or changing the way they work. Removing them entirely is not what all like and is not what really improves the game. So the second option was chosen and implemented. I also believe that it is not right on your part to assume that all the players are upset with the update.

@TinBoxGunner Oh that is very nice of you. Would you tell me how many shots it would take for a each of them to kill the other, in the previous system that is before the change(Considering that the protection and damage is the same)?

 

[TinBoxGunner 140]

38 minutes ago, Ironmantonystark said:

 

@TinBoxGunner Oh that is very nice of you. Would you tell me how many shots it would take for a each of them to kill the other, in the previous system that is before the change(Considering that the protection and damage is the same)?

 

 

3 shots needed (2,75 to be exact)  when both have standard DA and DD with full impact w/o this "boost" nonsense.

 

38 minutes ago, Ironmantonystark said:

I am really surprised how all the people see this as a bad update. I think this is really a good update. Now do not think I am saying so just because I am a Helper of the game. I am saying this from my experience of the update.

You know, you can get a passive boost independent of supplies to both your armor and damage which I think is really good. See, without having to use your supplies you armor and damage is already boosted by your drone. I think that changes a lot of things. I think that it is worth buying and upgrading the drones.

Now newcomers don't one-shot you just cuz they have a bunch of Double Damages. This will really force people to get skilled in the game.

@GriHatuMYou think that change to Trickster will force people to rather depend on supplies than skill. I'd say that it is not that easy. For those who already have maxed out garage, thing will be the same. It will not change much for them and it is good as in the course of maxing their garage, they are bound to get skilled. Now, speaking of why the change to trickster is good. Crisis being the only drone providing boost to speed was not liked by many. Soo many topics were created in the I&S section to suggest a standard passive boost to speed provided by all drones or even separate set drones to provide only speed boost. That is what is implemented. I mean, it is really good for non-buyers. They now have a drone in their reach which provides a decent speed boost.

@r_SPSE0 My dear friend, having a gear score of 5k at the rank of Legend is itself quite amusing. I am not trying to decide your skill or expertise by Gear Score or to make fun of you but it is obvious that you need at least a Gear score of 7k at the rank of legend. By the time you reach the rank of Legend you should posses enough crystals to at least get you garage to Mk6 or Mk7 level and decently upgrade your drone. That being said, it is you who is not capable of buying a drone, but not the entire player base. 

@antillis I think you forget that, in this world where you need money to do everything, being selfless is not gonna help. If there is no source of income, there is no way the developers can survive and there is no way the Alternativa platform can afford to run the game. Secondly, I don't exactly get why you say that this is a bad update. Not just in this issue, but many others as well, you always say that the game is unfair, it is unbalanced and is P2W but you never say what exactly is unfair, or unbalanced or P2W. Yes, I accept that some elements of the game are indeed unbalanced but it is not entirely P2W.

@Unleash People say "Winning the game these days means spamming supplies" and yet they say that reducing the effect of theirs is not good. Every problem might not have a perfect and spotless solution. You have to go for one option, either removing the supplies entirely or changing the way they work. Removing them entirely is not what all like and is not what really improves the game. So the second option was chosen and implemented. I also believe that it is not right on your part to assume that all the players are upset with the update.

@TinBoxGunner Oh that is very nice of you. Would you tell me how many shots it would take for a each of them to kill the other, in the previous system that is before the change(Considering that the protection and damage is the same)?

 

Your answer to @r_SPSE0 is downright arrogant and childish. No "helper" qualities of any kind in view.

[GriHatuM 9]

12 minutes ago, Ironmantonystark said:

 

@GriHatuMYou think that change to Trickster will force people to rather depend on supplies than skill. I'd say that it is not that easy. For those who already have maxed out garage, thing will be the same. It will not change much for them and it is good as in the course of maxing their garage, they are bound to get skilled. Now, speaking of why the change to trickster is good. Crisis being the only drone providing boost to speed was not liked by many. Soo many topics were created in the I&S section to suggest a standard passive boost to speed provided by all drones or even separate set drones to provide only speed boost. That is what is implemented. I mean, it is really good for non-buyers. They now have a drone in their reach which provides a decent speed boost.

 

I said that skill won't matter anymore because only p2w users will have drones at level 20 and a small number of not p2w users will have level 20 drone. For exemple I almost never played with drones and that's why I didn't upgrade them. And now I'm at Marshal Rank and I don't have possibility to use Double Armour and Double Damage but p2w users who have everything maxxed obviously will be at very high advantage and no matter how skilled i can be i won't be able to kill them. And about the Trickster I don't care if the change is good or not. I bought it for what it used to be. It would be right for them to give a refund , not to just change the drone even if we people who bought it are not satisfied with it.

[LambSauce 1,884]

20 minutes ago, Ironmantonystark said:

@antillis I think you forget that, in this world where you need money to do everything, being selfless is not gonna help. If there is no source of income, there is no way the developers can survive and there is no way the Alternativa platform can afford to run the game. Secondly, I don't exactly get why you say that this is a bad update. Not just in this issue, but many others as well, you always say that the game is unfair, it is unbalanced and is P2W but you never say what exactly is unfair, or unbalanced or P2W. Yes, I accept that some elements of the game are indeed unbalanced but it is not entirely P2W.

I'm not speaking for @antillis here, but are you serious? Do you not see that for a player to get their previous supply power back, they need to spend at least 500K crystals (with 50% sale) on Brutus? So devs nerf DA and DD and to get their old stats back we have to spend a fortune. How does that sit right with you? What about all the players who actually spent crystals, believe it or not, on buying DA and DD from the garage? They've essentially been ripped off big time.

[TinBoxGunner 140]

51 minutes ago, TinBoxGunner said:

Did some calculation.  Let's assume two players have same equipment - protection 2000 and damage 600. Let's further assume both players have DA and DD activated.  Let's further assume player 1 has no drone and player 2 has a 20/20 drone activated. In this scenario player one needs 5 shots (4,13 to be exact) to kill player 2, while player 2 need only 3  shots (2,3) to kill player 1.

This truly is hilarious how much advantage needs to be given to wretched buyers so that they could get their money's worth...

Correction: calculation was based on both players having a hull with protection of 2200 (not 2000).

[GriHatuM 9]

31 minutes ago, Ironmantonystark said:

 

@Unleash People say "Winning the game these days means spamming supplies" and yet they say that reducing the effect of theirs is not good. Every problem might not have a perfect and spotless solution. You have to go for one option, either removing the supplies entirely or changing the way they work. Removing them entirely is not what all like and is not what really improves the game. So the second option was chosen and implemented. I also believe that it is not right on your part to assume that all the players are upset with the update.

 

They "reduced" the effect only on some players.

[Helios 723]

https://ibb.co/bz931w8

I was gonna buy trickster, but they killed it.

Was way better before

[GriHatuM 9]

Just now, Pop.Smoke said:

https://ibb.co/bz931w8

I was gonna buy trickster, but they killed it.

Was way better before

And now, us who bought it can't do anything, I spent 200k crystals in this drone(drone + upgrades) just for this new Trickster that's trash. And what's worse is that they don't even care. They changed it like it was nothing. No refund, no nothing

[antillis 138]

@Ironmantonystark Seriously, your questioning me about why i post all negativities about the game, i feel like you amongst many others are a lost cause.

But i will peruse (go over carefully in great detail) one more time just to clarify all of my posts..... you ready mod.

1 Developers like  nothing else concerns them unless it involves this 

2 developers do not care about balance, unless it coincides with NO.1

3 developers do not care about players getting slaughtered in battle, as long as NO.1 keeps rolling in.

4 Developers deliberately bring in OP updates knowing it will affect balance in a huge way. 

5 OP updates =NO.1

6 You and other certain mods as far as i am concerned, are just mouth pieces for the developers.

7  MM is a joke.

8 Rank spreads is a joke.

9 Shop prices are very expensive.

10 So called special bundles are aimed only at the big P2W players, NO.1 applies.

11 Developers in some (very rare) v-logs explain why they have done things the way they have, without really explaining it at all.

12 In one V-LOG they adjusted the actual volume to a specific turret/hull (can't remember which) because a player complained it was to loud, then preceded to tell all the players watching that they had just proved they do indeed listen to players feedback regarding the game, by acting on this much needed and game changing problem, which was ruining battles at every rank and needed this swift and decisive action. Must admit, i laughed at this nonsense once i had come out of shock and regained my senses.

13 I no game economy is essential to keep the game running. I also said that the developers were smart enough to combine economy with balance, so it begs the question, why have they not at least tried. (and don't even go there mod because they have not)

14 You will like this one mod, all nice and positive, just for you. earning containers and shards (dumb name) is the only thing worth anything (in tanki living memory) that does not involve NO.1. MISSIONS.

15 Developers like to sugar coat new announcements, but never give you the full picture, (omit crucial information) it's called misleading. Latest example was this kiddies space game fiasco were you needed ENERGY.

16 Can't be bothered doing anymore because my tea is getting cold, but there are a multitude of other un-positive things i could mention but i need my tea....L8 mod.

Edited April 30, 2021 by antillis
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[Iron_Man 2,376]

@TinBoxGunner Actually I did not mean to offend r_SPEED in any way. My apologies.

@antillis @GriHatuM @AK2801 Thanks for the replies. I think I understand what you intend to say and I'll make sure to forward you feedback.

[numericable 2,375]

Even if i like the new trickster drone i have to admit that the developpers should have made a totally new drone instead of changing previous one, its like you buy a house around the sea and one day some people take it off to you and give you instead a new house in the town with big pollution. They should refund the claimers. This is unfair to them and kind of misleading and scamers attitude.