valid Rework crusader overdrive

[numericable 2,375]

The crusader's overdrive is very weak, here are some suggestion that i would like to see. First, the overdrive friendly auto aim should be disabled for teamate, i died alot of time because of that, i am aiming at an ennemy but there is a teamate closer than him, therefore the icicle would hit the teamate even if he isn't in my sight line. The system detect teamate like it detect ennemies. On top of that i will talk about unexperienced teamates (noobs) that come voluntary in front of your tank while you are shooting the icicle which make us self destruct, maybe self damage should be removed or the icicle should ignore teamates?

Secondly, the recoil, it is realistic that the icicle shoot' pushes make us go back very further, BUT it is very annoying, each time i'm on a bridge, it pushes me down and i fell down, and the acceleration of crusader is so bad that we have to start again.

Thirdly, there is a big bug on mobile which make the OD come across the ennemy and disapear, without damaging them, please fix it.

Finally, according to me, crusader is my favorite hull BUT its overdrive is the worst overdrive among all hull, it has some many bugs which make me want to change hull but im forced to play it as it is the only medium hovering hull and im a mobile player. I know that i proposed alot of changes but i think they would be necessary.

Ps: the past changes of its overdrive nerfed it alot, now we can't even kill those AP immunity users.

 

Edited May 24, 2021 by numericable
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[Spy 14,745]

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[mjmj5558 2,346]

Crusaider is one of the most powerful ODs because of the really fast recharge (it was duplicated few updates ago, but it wasn't in the patch notes). Also, this idea mostly consists of fixing bugs instead of buffing it. However, the worst OD in the game for most combos (beside things like AC) is hornet, which was nerfed hardly recently. Also, crus OD is like a 2nd turret now, i doesn't really need a buff, but since i didn't used the hull in higher ranks, i'll may change my mind when i will buy it few weeks later, but i highly doubt that.

[numericable 2,375]

4 hours ago, mjmj5558 said:

Crusaider is one of the most powerful ODs because of the really fast recharge (it was duplicated few updates ago, but it wasn't in the patch notes). Also, this idea mostly consists of fixing bugs instead of buffing it. However, the worst OD in the game for most combos (beside things like AC) is hornet, which was nerfed hardly recently. Also, crus OD is like a 2nd turret now, i doesn't really need a buff, but since i didn't used the hull in higher ranks, i'll may change my mind when i will buy it few weeks later, but i highly doubt that.

I have 200 hours played with crusader, 4M exp as well, and in the legend rank i can clearly tell you that it is the worst OD, it has many bugs and it is hard to use, do you know that 1/2 OD get wasted while my accuracy is pretty hight. Not only bugs makes it weak, i would rather have hornet OD on crusader than crusader's own OD.

[mjmj5558 2,346]

6 minutes ago, numericable said:

I have 200 hours played with crusader, 4M exp as well, and in the legend rank i can clearly tell you that it is the worst OD, it has many bugs and it is hard to use, do you know that 1/2 OD get wasted while my accuracy is pretty hight. Not only bugs makes it weak, i would rather have hornet OD on crusader than crusader's own OD.

@Akame As a player who uses cruasaider, do you think that it is the  weakest OD too? 

[numericable 2,375]

2 hours ago, mjmj5558 said:

@Akame As a player who uses cruasaider, do you think that it is the  weakest OD too? 

On mobile its the weakest 100%, idk if he is a mobile player but i can confirm you it is totally the weakest OD and my rank is legend 91, now boris4311 is catching me in term of exp gained with main drone booster while i was far away from him when i used viking OD on pc

https://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/superman12365

Edited May 24, 2021 by numericable

[mjmj5558 2,346]

1 hour ago, numericable said:

On mobile its the weakest 100%, idk if he is a mobile player but i can confirm you it is totally the weakest OD and my rank is legend 91, now boris4311 is catching me in term of exp gained with main drone booster while i was far away from him when i used viking OD on pc

https://ratings.tankionline.com/en/user/superman12365

How can the same OD on mobile be weaker than on PC?

[thunderhunter123 741]

Crusader's icicle is a little weak, but it does freeze and pierces the tanks that get hit by it.

So this makes the Overdrive pretty balanced. 

 

Hunter's Overdrive only stuns and removes supplies.

Crusader adds the two effects and deals damage!

[Akame 4,580]

7 hours ago, mjmj5558 said:

@Akame As a player who uses crusader, do you think that it is the  weakest OD too? 

Being that the output directly depends on the modification level and supplies and defensive attributes, in actuality it is the weakest overdrive because it needs a set of items.

But to balance this out, what Tanki disgustingly did was first increased it's charging rate to an insane amount, then realized they messed up, and instead of reverting this 'bug' (like our gauss splash bug), they reduced the damage by a fair portion.

With AP immunity becoming more common on Titans and many endgame players, especially in SGE mode, crusaders only use becomes to get lucky to make a tank in a dome self destruct or to hit of players that do not have AP imm/defenders with titans in domes etc.

What I wanted for crus:

• Better damage
• Slightly bigger damage radius
• True damage (one that doesn't rely on supplies/upgrades) so that it may be used against players that hide inside domes/behind defensive drones.

What we got:

• Poor damage
• Not a large enough damage radius
• Terrible damage for players who don't have boosted damage or decent upgrades
• OD charges often, advantage to be used as a subweapon(alt-fire)

I recommend to use crusader with Booster/Crisis to help get the most damage out of it. ALSO I recommend people to use adrenaline augments if possible, every extra damage may help players with lower upgrades to boost the crusader icicle damage with the flat adrenaline bonus. Yes you may wipe out light hulls with a shot if you have a maxed hull and boosted damage, but a medium or even a heavy will be highly dependent on upgrades and supply encounters.

The following will reduce crusader icicle damage:

• Titan dome, 90% damage reduction is a BIG chunk of damage killer, yes AP effect exists, but with AP imms becoming the norm for most players thanks to a fair set of broken AP augments being in circulation, I would avoid having to rely on AP effect from crus OD.
• Defender/Crisis and any sort of Boosted Armor
• Spectrum Modules, yes even our basic 20% etc.

The fair new norm for endgame players is becoming Defender/Booster Viking AP imm. Also SGE mode being occupied by a fair bit of AP imm titans. The hull has a fair set of counters for it already.

Now if you look over this, it already goes without saying that it's weak because it has such a fast charging rate to, hence why tanki made the decision to nerf the damage as so balance it, and viking takes the longest to charge, potentially being the strongest OD in the game.

Edited May 24, 2021 by Akame

[Akame 4,580]

As far as crusader x mobile goes tho, all I hear is mainly the crashes with the games, also i think mobile deserves some sort of aim support if there isn't any, it is not easy to aim such a thing in time proactively for many players.

But since I havent really tried mobile, I cannot say, I would need a mobile player to come out and speak for their experiences.

[TheCongoSpider 8,957]

34 minutes ago, Akame said:

As far as crusader x mobile goes tho, all I hear is mainly the crashes with the games, also i think mobile deserves some sort of aim support if there isn't any, it is not easy to aim such a thing in time proactively for many players.

But since I havent really tried mobile, I cannot say, I would need a mobile player to come out and speak for their experiences.

Crusader's icicle has horizontal auto-aim as well. But this unfortunately is a double-edged sword. You are at the mercy of the horizontal auto-aim. It is not easy to make your Icicle target a specific player if they are near each other with/without elevation in relation to your vantage point. 

 

Horizontal auto-aim most often targets the nearest tank, be it an ally or an enemy. It semi-often happens that I want to hit an enemy far away, but the icicle instead shoots towards an ally that is off to the side. It also has the bug where strafing forward with speed boost activated will likely make you Crusader OD end up passing through enemies and would only explode if it hit a prop on the map. 

[Debt-Collector 1,617]

1 hour ago, TheCongoSpider said:

Crusader's icicle has horizontal auto-aim as well. But this unfortunately is a double-edged sword. You are at the mercy of the horizontal auto-aim. It is not easy to make your Icicle target a specific player if they are near each other with/without elevation in relation to your vantage point. 

 

Horizontal auto-aim most often targets the nearest tank, be it an ally or an enemy. It semi-often happens that I want to hit an enemy far away, but the icicle instead shoots towards an ally that is off to the side. It also has the bug where strafing forward with speed boost activated will likely make you Crusader OD end up passing through enemies and would only explode if it hit a prop on the map. 

I do get annoyed by the vanishing icicle. It either hits my teammate and I self destruct or I shoot it at the enemy and goes through them. This only happens when you are moving forward with a speed boost on and using the OD button at the same time,. So I always have to make sure that I don't have speed boost on before I use the OD. (This does happen on mobile I don't know if this happens on PC as well)

Edited May 25, 2021 by MysticBlood

[TheCongoSpider 8,957]

23 minutes ago, MysticBlood said:

So I always have to make sure that I don't have speed boost on before I use the OD. 

All you have to do is stop strafing before the projectile fires. If you're strafing forward, charging it up, and then decelerate (move the joystick to strafe backwards or to the side) it will shoot a regular icicle. 

[Debt-Collector 1,617]

3 minutes ago, TheCongoSpider said:

All you have to do is stop strafing before the projectile fires. If you're strafing forward, charging it up, and then decelerate (move the joystick to strafe backwards or to the side) it will shoot a regular icicle. 

oh thanks for better solution. lol now i know there is another way.