declined The case for a Tanki Market

[readyfireaim 369]

I've been thinking of this for several months, and now I finally get a chance to suggest it. Get ready for a text wall. And don't say I didn't warn you.

Imagine this. bbbbenny808 a new tanker who's already getting pretty bored with the game and currently chilling at WO3. He's seen those epic augments, and reeeeeeeeeally wants the BFG Cannon augment for his Mk3 Twins. But whenever he opens containers it's always just repair kits. He has, like, 10,000. In fact, he has so many he's running low on other supplies. Ugh.

Sound familiar? No? Okay, well how about this...

PiKaChU-kEtChUm is a legend. Well, he's a legend rank, at any rate. He hates getting one-shotted, so naturally he likes using Lifeguard. He's always looking forward to opening a container and getting repair kits, because Lifeguard is expensive, man. And with his Thunder-Wasp combo, he's got a lot of ways he can die pretty darn easily. Of course, he's a Legend, so he's got a ton of stuff he'll never use. Blaster Drone 18/20, Cold Resistance for Wasp, BFG Cannon for Twins, Shock Freeze for (duh) Freeze, you name it. And he's got some of the cool buyer-oriented augments like EMP Gauss too. Cause he's a minor buyer... he's got the fourth slot and literally 100 million crystals, but he doesn't go container diving a whole lot.

One more... ladybubblegum is one of the ranks right below Marshal that no one really cares about. She's got a bunch of 10/20 drones and a lot of stuff Mk6. It's that awkward time where you always have 20k crystals, but you need 20 million. And then she's got a ridiculous amount of Boosted Armors. And then she wants some of those cool augments but she's never gonna get them is she.

All three of these people - bbbbenny808, PiKaChU-kEtChUm, and ladybubblegum - are struggling to keep up with their demand for some resource, and all of them are getting slightly irritated. If only there was a way to interact with more players and get more stuff.

Enter... the Tanki Market. The thing works as follows:

• Whoever uses it can trade things with other players.
• There's probably an unlock rank (WO1?) to prevent people making a thousand alts and just spamming crystals.
• The following can be traded: Crystals, supplies (all six), paints, skins, shot effects, augments, containers, weekly containers, ultra containers, Tankoins.
• Anything can be traded for anything else. It is completely up to the traders.
• Possible but not needed: only trading with friends is allowed.
• The trading could work like it does in krunker.io or richup.io. (Look them up. Krunker.io's market feature was actually the basis for most of this idea. And it works.)
• You can put up any item for trade or send trades directly to other players.

See where I'm going with this? Now this can happen:

bbbbenny808 is busy ranting about the fact that he still can't get BFG from Twins, when someone new shows up in the chat. Oooh. A Legend. And what's this? PiKaChU-kEtChUm has BFG? Awesome! What does he want? Repair Kits? Ooookay... bbbbenny808 thinks that maybe one of those is more valuable, but sure he'll give PiKaChU-kEtChUm a bunch of RK's. Have 2500.

How nice. Two of our characters are very happy. I mean, they could be even happier...

ladybubblegum is complaining about not having enough crystals. Enter PiKaChU-kEtChUm. More RK's? Sure! Want a weekly container or five? Have them! And guess what: have a Gauss EMP Salvo. PiKaChU doesn't need it. And then here comes bbbbenny808! He asks ladybubblegum if she's got any Boosted Armors cause he just got Defender by dominating with BFG and now he needs some. He'll take them! And does ladybubblegum want his Alien Abduction paint for those Boosted Armors? She sure does! It's a win-win-win!

Get my point?

Of course, there's issues...

• Containers will give the same reward twice cause you put it up for trade but it didn't get traded yet.
  This doesn't matter! Just put it up for trade twice. I'm sure two people would love Monochrome.
• Trading Tankoins? Whaaaaaaaat?
  Yeah... it's not that important. It is up to the people trading to trade responsibly. If they want to give their friend 5000 tk for 10 crystals, that's how it'll work.
• Might this not mess with game balance?
  Yes. But not in the way you think. If anything, it should help. Buyers will get rid of the augments they don't want that can only be obtained from UC's. So more people will have these. And if anything, then the devs can release more buyer-orientated stuff cause you can trade Ultra Containers and augments.
• Does this detract from the value of skins?
  Maybe. But who would really want to trade skins? The only trades that would happen are skin for skin, don't you think? It's just now that you can get a skin for a turret or hull that you actually want, and not just Twins.
• What about trading equipment? My Mk5 Magnum for your Mk5 Wasp?
  No. That's too hard to make rules for.
• Alts? Make a thousand alts and you get 1,000,000 crystals from trading.
  Nooooope. That's why this has an unlock rank. Maybe WO1 or even Major.

Thanks for reading my text wall. Anything else I should add? Lemme know what y'all think. (Let's hope this doesn't get declined)

[NikmanGT 4,363]

Under Review 

Declined

I totally understand your intention and I greatly appreciate the effort that went into this idea. It really has been a long time since someone suggested such a well planned and brilliantly written idea. There are quite a few flaws. How and why would anyone trade 5000 tankoins for 10 crystals? Would any mortal, other than those who have full garages, do such a thing? Yet again, trading crystals, tankoins and supplies is just ridiculous, and it is kinda pointless. I think some rules have to be established such as amount of trade per day.

Trading of containers is pointless as well since nobody, even those with maxed garages, wouldn't do that because you always need supplies to fuel drones. So I suggest you to remove those parts. Oh, and ideas regarding trading of skins and paints have already been proposed, and hence it leaves your idea with only shot effects and augments. I don't really know how "market" works in krunker.io, so I just can't understand your analogy.

[meqaat 21]

Too complicated. It would take Tanki devs themselves 1 year to design the idea and then 1 year to work on this. 
I am familiar with this concept because of CSGO skin trade and would like this to be implemented to tanki as well. But I highly doubt that it will happen.

[readyfireaim 369]

7 hours ago, nikunj04 said:

How and why would anyone trade 5000 tankoins for 10 crystals? Would any mortal, other than those who have full garages, do such a thing?

Nope. I was just illustrating my point.

7 hours ago, nikunj04 said:

Yet again, trading crystals, tankoins and supplies is just ridiculous, and it is kinda pointless. I think some rules have to be established such as amount of trade per day.

I mean, on one of my alts, I have an issues with having enough Speed Boosts. It might just be more helpful for lower-ranked players though. As for the rules, maybe there could be a conversion factor, like, 1 BD=50 crystals and you have to stay within a certain amount of those conversion factors. Like, you can trade 1 BD for 40 crystals or 60 crystals, but no more or no less. Or yeah, there could be a limit of 5 trades per day or something.

7 hours ago, nikunj04 said:

Trading of containers is pointless as well since nobody, even those with maxed garages, wouldn't do that because you always need supplies to fuel drones. So I suggest you to remove those parts.

Okay I might be misunderstanding you here, but are you saying that I should just remove the "trade containers" part? I was thinking you could do that and trade them for crystals and such. Some people (hint hint me) like getting the crystals directly without having a chance of getting mines. And then you can do the same with UC's, weekly containers, and coinboxes. Honestly, the weeklies might not make a ton of sense, but someone would probably trade an augment and a skin for ten of them.

8 hours ago, nikunj04 said:

Oh, and ideas regarding trading of skins and paints have already been proposed, and hence it leaves your idea with only shot effects and augments.

Dangit. But it still fits, right?

8 hours ago, nikunj04 said:

I don't really know how "market" works in krunker.io, so I just can't understand your analogy.

Basically, it works almost the same way as my idea does. It's used exclusively for trading/buying cosmetics from other players.

[ThirdOnion 4,898]

Such a system would reduce the incentive to buy items for real money.

[SulfuricAcid 504]

On 9/28/2021 at 6:48 PM, readyfireaim said:

I've been thinking of this for several months, and now I finally get a chance to suggest it. Get ready for a text wall. And don't say I didn't warn you.

Imagine this. bbbbenny808 a new tanker who's already getting pretty bored with the game and currently chilling at WO3. He's seen those epic augments, and reeeeeeeeeally wants the BFG Cannon augment for his Mk3 Twins. But whenever he opens containers it's always just repair kits. He has, like, 10,000. In fact, he has so many he's running low on other supplies. Ugh.

Sound familiar? No? Okay, well how about this...

PiKaChU-kEtChUm is a legend. Well, he's a legend rank, at any rate. He hates getting one-shotted, so naturally he likes using Lifeguard. He's always looking forward to opening a container and getting repair kits, because Lifeguard is expensive, man. And with his Thunder-Wasp combo, he's got a lot of ways he can die pretty darn easily. Of course, he's a Legend, so he's got a ton of stuff he'll never use. Blaster Drone 18/20, Cold Resistance for Wasp, BFG Cannon for Twins, Shock Freeze for (duh) Freeze, you name it. And he's got some of the cool buyer-oriented augments like EMP Gauss too. Cause he's a minor buyer... he's got the fourth slot and literally 100 million crystals, but he doesn't go container diving a whole lot.

One more... ladybubblegum is one of the ranks right below Marshal that no one really cares about. She's got a bunch of 10/20 drones and a lot of stuff Mk6. It's that awkward time where you always have 20k crystals, but you need 20 million. And then she's got a ridiculous amount of Boosted Armors. And then she wants some of those cool augments but she's never gonna get them is she.

All three of these people - bbbbenny808, PiKaChU-kEtChUm, and ladybubblegum - are struggling to keep up with their demand for some resource, and all of them are getting slightly irritated. If only there was a way to interact with more players and get more stuff.

Enter... the Tanki Market. The thing works as follows:

• Whoever uses it can trade things with other players.
• There's probably an unlock rank (WO1?) to prevent people making a thousand alts and just spamming crystals.
• The following can be traded: Crystals, supplies (all six), paints, skins, shot effects, augments, containers, weekly containers, ultra containers, Tankoins.
• Anything can be traded for anything else. It is completely up to the traders.
• Possible but not needed: only trading with friends is allowed.
• The trading could work like it does in krunker.io or richup.io. (Look them up. Krunker.io's market feature was actually the basis for most of this idea. And it works.)
• You can put up any item for trade or send trades directly to other players.

See where I'm going with this? Now this can happen:

bbbbenny808 is busy ranting about the fact that he still can't get BFG from Twins, when someone new shows up in the chat. Oooh. A Legend. And what's this? PiKaChU-kEtChUm has BFG? Awesome! What does he want? Repair Kits? Ooookay... bbbbenny808 thinks that maybe one of those is more valuable, but sure he'll give PiKaChU-kEtChUm a bunch of RK's. Have 2500.

How nice. Two of our characters are very happy. I mean, they could be even happier...

ladybubblegum is complaining about not having enough crystals. Enter PiKaChU-kEtChUm. More RK's? Sure! Want a weekly container or five? Have them! And guess what: have a Gauss EMP Salvo. PiKaChU doesn't need it. And then here comes bbbbenny808! He asks ladybubblegum if she's got any Boosted Armors cause he just got Defender by dominating with BFG and now he needs some. He'll take them! And does ladybubblegum want his Alien Abduction paint for those Boosted Armors? She sure does! It's a win-win-win!

Get my point?

Of course, there's issues...

• Containers will give the same reward twice cause you put it up for trade but it didn't get traded yet.
  This doesn't matter! Just put it up for trade twice. I'm sure two people would love Monochrome.
• Trading Tankoins? Whaaaaaaaat?
  Yeah... it's not that important. It is up to the people trading to trade responsibly. If they want to give their friend 5000 tk for 10 crystals, that's how it'll work.
• Might this not mess with game balance?
  Yes. But not in the way you think. If anything, it should help. Buyers will get rid of the augments they don't want that can only be obtained from UC's. So more people will have these. And if anything, then the devs can release more buyer-orientated stuff cause you can trade Ultra Containers and augments.
• Does this detract from the value of skins?
  Maybe. But who would really want to trade skins? The only trades that would happen are skin for skin, don't you think? It's just now that you can get a skin for a turret or hull that you actually want, and not just Twins.
• What about trading equipment? My Mk5 Magnum for your Mk5 Wasp?
  No. That's too hard to make rules for.
• Alts? Make a thousand alts and you get 1,000,000 crystals from trading.
  Nooooope. That's why this has an unlock rank. Maybe WO1 or even Major.

Thanks for reading my text wall. Anything else I should add? Lemme know what y'all think. (Let's hope this doesn't get declined)

the whole idea is definitely going to ruin the economy of tanki online.
I am legend 41, experienced whole the tankionline from recruit to now. it is never hard to get those augments you need. you know why? because if a recruit player starts focusing on only one combination for microupgrading it and also getting their turrets augments, will give him a fair chance to play with other same rank players. this procedure ends when a player reaches to legend 1 rank and it is now afterall that a player shall buy other turrets and hulls and other stuff.
all my alternative accs is on this regular basis. In each of them. there is only one combo nothing else. for example, in my lowest acc which is captain rank, I have only gauss full + dictator full + adrenaline augment + heat resistance + 3 modules of falcon, grizzly, owl, each is full MU, and full Brutus drone. all these have been done on sales. I saved crystals for especial sales like 30% and 50% sales. thus I am going to play only with this account till I reach legend ranks then I start buying other stuff.
with the idea you suggested, all these procedure and especially saving crystals for great sales will be ruined. Player will have no passion to save crystals since they can get their desired augment for (for example) (some body charges the market for that augment with only 1 repair kit to trade) 9999 Boosted Damage. any body can offer as least as 1 mine or as most as 99999999 batteries for an augment. see the trade list below that random players have set for the market.

• guass EMP salvo =1 mine
• Shaft Heavy Capacitor= 99999 Tankoins
• hopper low construction= Prodigi paint
• Titan anti jamming augment=atom paint
• Isida support nanobots= isida vampire augment
• mk7+ tesla turrets=mk0 smoky
• eternal paint=clay paint
• striker stun missle=1000 crystals

that's it. that easily the economy and all the saving and sale promotions will be wrecked.

[readyfireaim 369]

11 hours ago, SulfuricAcid said:

with the idea you suggested, all these procedure and especially saving crystals for great sales will be ruined. Player will have no passion to save crystals since they can get their desired augment for (for example) (some body charges the market for that augment with only 1 repair kit to trade) 9999 Boosted Damage. any body can offer as least as 1 mine or as most as 99999999 batteries for an augment. see the trade list below that random players have set for the market.

• guass EMP salvo =1 mine
• Shaft Heavy Capacitor= 99999 Tankoins
• hopper low construction= Prodigi paint
• Titan anti jamming augment=atom paint
• Isida support nanobots= isida vampire augment
• mk7+ tesla turrets=mk0 smoky
• eternal paint=clay paint
• striker stun missle=1000 crystals

Okay, yeah, some fine-tuning needs to happen.

Maybe a couple of ideas:

• No trading crystals and/or supplies
• Conversion rates, and you have to stay within a certain range. Such as Tesla Minus-field for 149k crystals, and you have to trade it for something that's also worth within the general vicinity of 140k-160k crystals.
• Only trading cosmetics.
• Limits on what ranks you can trade with, just like there are limits on who you can form a group with.
• Only augments for augments, shot effects for shot effects, and such.

[FailArmyGT 3]

Trading may dramatically increase scamming. Also, what will happen with those whos account has been hacked? There should be at least special market password to prevent loss of items

[htaed 100]

You could also use container rarities as a guide for trades. Meaning an exotic skin would be tradeable for 1 Million crystals, or another skin of its same rarity, To keep things simple.
I also personally think that trading would work best for cosmetic items only (Skins, shot effects and paints).

[LONDON.ENGLAND 302]

It’s an interesting idea and appreciate the amount of thought put into it but I just think it’s too easy to manipulate. 
old legends could easy make super OP lower alts. 
selling paints or skins on a marketplace makes more sense but I think this would effect the the economy. 
The only reason I buy or open containers these days is to complete my paint collection, if I could buy a missing paint for 500k crystals I’d have no more reason to purchase in the shop. 

[SulfuricAcid 504]

10 hours ago, readyfireaim said:

Okay, yeah, some fine-tuning needs to happen.

Maybe a couple of ideas:

• No trading crystals and/or supplies
• Conversion rates, and you have to stay within a certain range. Such as Tesla Minus-field for 149k crystals, and you have to trade it for something that's also worth within the general vicinity of 140k-160k crystals.
• Only trading cosmetics.
• Limits on what ranks you can trade with, just like there are limits on who you can form a group with.
• Only augments for augments, shot effects for shot effects, and such.

IMO, we do not need such market at all. TankiOnline economy is at its best state. Thus, no changes are required.

[Iron_Man 2,376]

Status changed to "Declined"

1. Wouldn't work in tanki. Being able to trade anything for anything, is just ....

2. Trading crystals and tankoins in pointless.

 

[numericable 2,375]

I would trade my 15M crystals with a new tanki account that i've created just to max out the new account lol.